Danny Shelton-DL-Washington

Originally posted by bdub2588:
I don't care how many sacks he get's, he'll push the line of scrimmage backwards and create opportunities for others.

Unless NFL guards are bigger and stronger than NCAA guards and are coached to set stronger against the bull rush. He doesn't have great stop/start momentum. If they stone him at his first two steps, he stays blocked. NFL guards (especially with center help) should have much less trouble than college guards when it comes to slowing a guy that's all power game.

We've never really had a bit NT like him before on the Niners. Seems if Tomsula likes faster, more agile D Line guys. I'm ok with Shelton but he may not be there at #15.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by bdub2588:
I don't care how many sacks he get's, he'll push the line of scrimmage backwards and create opportunities for others.

Unless NFL guards are bigger and stronger than NCAA guards and are coached to set stronger against the bull rush. He doesn't have great stop/start momentum. If they stone him at his first two steps, he stays blocked. NFL guards (especially with center help) should have much less trouble than college guards when it comes to slowing a guy that's all power game.

You're assuming ge stays the same. Im pretty sure if he played some of those OG back when they were in college, itd be a different story.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by bdub2588:
I don't care how many sacks he get's, he'll push the line of scrimmage backwards and create opportunities for others.

Unless NFL guards are bigger and stronger than NCAA guards and are coached to set stronger against the bull rush. He doesn't have great stop/start momentum. If they stone him at his first two steps, he stays blocked. NFL guards (especially with center help) should have much less trouble than college guards when it comes to slowing a guy that's all power game.

You're assuming ge stays the same. Im pretty sure if he played some of those OG back when they were in college, itd be a different story.

I'm not trying to kill the guy. I just don't think he's a plug and play guy for the NFL. He has potential, but he's not a Wilfork or Ngata type of athlete (or he's the same type but not on their level), and he has a LOT of work to do to get his game ready for the NFL. I think he needs to develop pass rush moves, better hand technique, and better foot quickness. Maybe he can do it, but I don't know. If he can do it, I don't know if he can do it this season. To me, that's a lot of I don't know for #15.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by bdub2588:
I don't care how many sacks he get's, he'll push the line of scrimmage backwards and create opportunities for others.

Unless NFL guards are bigger and stronger than NCAA guards and are coached to set stronger against the bull rush. He doesn't have great stop/start momentum. If they stone him at his first two steps, he stays blocked. NFL guards (especially with center help) should have much less trouble than college guards when it comes to slowing a guy that's all power game.

You're assuming ge stays the same. Im pretty sure if he played some of those OG back when they were in college, itd be a different story.

I'm not trying to kill the guy. I just don't think he's a plug and play guy for the NFL. He has potential, but he's not a Wilfork or Ngata type of athlete (or he's the same type but not on their level), and he has a LOT of work to do to get his game ready for the NFL. I think he needs to develop pass rush moves, better hand technique, and better foot quickness. Maybe he can do it, but I don't know. If he can do it, I don't know if he can do it this season. To me, that's a lot of I don't know for #15.

In-Your-Opinion

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by bdub2588:
I don't care how many sacks he get's, he'll push the line of scrimmage backwards and create opportunities for others.

Unless NFL guards are bigger and stronger than NCAA guards and are coached to set stronger against the bull rush. He doesn't have great stop/start momentum. If they stone him at his first two steps, he stays blocked. NFL guards (especially with center help) should have much less trouble than college guards when it comes to slowing a guy that's all power game.

You're assuming ge stays the same. Im pretty sure if he played some of those OG back when they were in college, itd be a different story.

I'm not trying to kill the guy. I just don't think he's a plug and play guy for the NFL. He has potential, but he's not a Wilfork or Ngata type of athlete (or he's the same type but not on their level), and he has a LOT of work to do to get his game ready for the NFL. I think he needs to develop pass rush moves, better hand technique, and better foot quickness. Maybe he can do it, but I don't know. If he can do it, I don't know if he can do it this season. To me, that's a lot of I don't know for #15.

In-Your-Opinion

How many guys in this draft are finished products?

Originally posted by daragon:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by bdub2588:
I don't care how many sacks he get's, he'll push the line of scrimmage backwards and create opportunities for others.

Unless NFL guards are bigger and stronger than NCAA guards and are coached to set stronger against the bull rush. He doesn't have great stop/start momentum. If they stone him at his first two steps, he stays blocked. NFL guards (especially with center help) should have much less trouble than college guards when it comes to slowing a guy that's all power game.

You're assuming ge stays the same. Im pretty sure if he played some of those OG back when they were in college, itd be a different story.

I'm not trying to kill the guy. I just don't think he's a plug and play guy for the NFL. He has potential, but he's not a Wilfork or Ngata type of athlete (or he's the same type but not on their level), and he has a LOT of work to do to get his game ready for the NFL. I think he needs to develop pass rush moves, better hand technique, and better foot quickness. Maybe he can do it, but I don't know. If he can do it, I don't know if he can do it this season. To me, that's a lot of I don't know for #15.

In-Your-Opinion

How many guys in this draft are finished products?

Answer = None

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'm not trying to kill the guy. I just don't think he's a plug and play guy for the NFL. He has potential, but he's not a Wilfork or Ngata type of athlete (or he's the same type but not on their level), and he has a LOT of work to do to get his game ready for the NFL. I think he needs to develop pass rush moves, better hand technique, and better foot quickness. Maybe he can do it, but I don't know. If he can do it, I don't know if he can do it this season. To me, that's a lot of I don't know for #15.

I have to disagree with this. I think for his size he's got tremendous foot quickness, its actually one of his biggest positives. You're not going to find many 340 pound guys with better feet and agility than Shelton.

1...This massive man looks as wide as he does tall (or short at under 6-foot-2). Every square inch of that square body is tough -- his legs, arms and especially those rock-hard and lead-heavy hands. Hitch that mass to a great motor and you have a constant terror for offensive linemen. Although he collected 9.5 sacks among his 89 tackles last season, Shelton is more of plugger than a pass rusher. Still, surprisingly quick feet and persistence help him collect far more tackles in pursuit than one might expect.-- Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange

Shelton possesses remarkably light feet to maneuver between blockers, effectively splitting them and then extending his arms to drive the blocker closest to the ball back onto his heels. Unlike the inconsistent Davis, Shelton is well-known for his pursuit to the perimeter, which is why he has been a projected first-round pick by NFLDraftScout.com all year long. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

Quick feet for his size, power and an outstanding motor are what I see as his most important three assets in terms of what he brings to the table for the next level.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'm not trying to kill the guy. I just don't think he's a plug and play guy for the NFL. He has potential, but he's not a Wilfork or Ngata type of athlete (or he's the same type but not on their level), and he has a LOT of work to do to get his game ready for the NFL. I think he needs to develop pass rush moves, better hand technique, and better foot quickness. Maybe he can do it, but I don't know. If he can do it, I don't know if he can do it this season. To me, that's a lot of I don't know for #15.

I have to disagree with this. I think for his size he's got tremendous foot quickness, its actually one of his biggest positives. You're not going to find many 340 pound guys with better feet and agility than Shelton.

1...This massive man looks as wide as he does tall (or short at under 6-foot-2). Every square inch of that square body is tough -- his legs, arms and especially those rock-hard and lead-heavy hands. Hitch that mass to a great motor and you have a constant terror for offensive linemen. Although he collected 9.5 sacks among his 89 tackles last season, Shelton is more of plugger than a pass rusher. Still, surprisingly quick feet and persistence help him collect far more tackles in pursuit than one might expect.-- Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange

Shelton possesses remarkably light feet to maneuver between blockers, effectively splitting them and then extending his arms to drive the blocker closest to the ball back onto his heels. Unlike the inconsistent Davis, Shelton is well-known for his pursuit to the perimeter, which is why he has been a projected first-round pick by NFLDraftScout.com all year long. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

Quick feet for his size, power and an outstanding motor are what I see as his most important three assets in terms of what he brings to the table for the next level.

QUick enough to compare him favorably to Ngata? I'm not seeing that at all. I see the power, for sure, and he's great in pursuit. I just don't want him at #15 or earlier. If Tomsula gets the guy in a film room and belives he can teach him everything he needs, then I'll trust his assessment over mine. I just that without pass rush production, he'll play 40% of the defensive snaps, tops, and I'm not convinced of his pass rush ability. If I'm trading into the top 10, I want more of a finished produect, like an Andrew Luck, Adrian Peterson, AJ Green, Megatron, Von Miller (didn't know he was a stubborn pot head), Joe Thomas, etc. I don't think any of those guys were done improving before the NFL, but we had a REALLY good idea who each of them would be as a player. That's the vibe I get from a dude like Leonard Williams or Amari Cooper. I'm not geting that from Shelton. It's my opinion. You don't have to agree, I'm cool.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000486035/article/mike-mayocks-2015-nfl-draft-position-rankings-40

Mayock dropped Shelton to his #4 ranked interior defensive lineman behind Leonard Williams, Arik Armstead, and Malcolm Brown. He moved Gregory back up to his #2 edge rusher.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by bdub2588:
I don't care how many sacks he get's, he'll push the line of scrimmage backwards and create opportunities for others.

Unless NFL guards are bigger and stronger than NCAA guards and are coached to set stronger against the bull rush. He doesn't have great stop/start momentum. If they stone him at his first two steps, he stays blocked. NFL guards (especially with center help) should have much less trouble than college guards when it comes to slowing a guy that's all power game.

You're assuming ge stays the same. Im pretty sure if he played some of those OG back when they were in college, itd be a different story.

I'm not trying to kill the guy. I just don't think he's a plug and play guy for the NFL. He has potential, but he's not a Wilfork or Ngata type of athlete (or he's the same type but not on their level), and he has a LOT of work to do to get his game ready for the NFL. I think he needs to develop pass rush moves, better hand technique, and better foot quickness. Maybe he can do it, but I don't know. If he can do it, I don't know if he can do it this season. To me, that's a lot of I don't know for #15.

true but what better place to develop his skills than in the hands of Tomsula