went a little overkill on WR with picks 3, 4, and 5 but good overall. Maybe we could trade one of those WR picks to move up in the first round?
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Mar 16, 2014 at 4:41 PM
- theninermaniac
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went a little overkill on WR with picks 3, 4, and 5 but good overall. Maybe we could trade one of those WR picks to move up in the first round?
Mar 16, 2014 at 4:43 PM
- eastcoast49ersfan
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I'm not a huge fan of this mock. I don't like the idea of spending both 3rd round picks and a second round pick on small WR's (Richardson isn't that short but he's extremely thin). We barely use a slot receiver right now so I don't see us drafting two of them.
We have plenty of low quality depth on our defensive line - I think if we get a defensive lineman, it will be someone we like early.
Xavier Su'a Filo will be long gone by 56 - he may be taken in the first round and is considered the clear cut top interior lineman (unless Zach Martin converts to guard). Rather than trading up for Su'a Filo or drafting him in the first only to have him learn C, I think we will just wait for the next draft/free agency and see if our current C's improve. This is an interesting idea though since there are no great C prospects this year.
I like the combination of Fuller and Watkins - I'm not sure Watkins will be there for our 3rd round comp pick, but I like the idea of drafting an outside corner and slot corner.
We have plenty of low quality depth on our defensive line - I think if we get a defensive lineman, it will be someone we like early.
Xavier Su'a Filo will be long gone by 56 - he may be taken in the first round and is considered the clear cut top interior lineman (unless Zach Martin converts to guard). Rather than trading up for Su'a Filo or drafting him in the first only to have him learn C, I think we will just wait for the next draft/free agency and see if our current C's improve. This is an interesting idea though since there are no great C prospects this year.
I like the combination of Fuller and Watkins - I'm not sure Watkins will be there for our 3rd round comp pick, but I like the idea of drafting an outside corner and slot corner.
Mar 16, 2014 at 4:46 PM
- SofaKing
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Combination of Fuller and Watkins is awesome. I like each individual WR you chose, but taking all 3 of them seems a bit redundant. Su'a-filo is a rock solid pick, and I like the late-round flyers on Webster and Atkinson.
Mar 16, 2014 at 4:50 PM
- Quest4six
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Watkins won't make it past the second round
Mar 16, 2014 at 5:20 PM
- matt49er
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Overkill on WRs, drafting a center in the 2nd round after we just extended Kilgore? Don't like.
Mar 16, 2014 at 5:26 PM
- xcfan
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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Combination of Fuller and Watkins is awesome. I like each individual WR you chose, but taking all 3 of them seems a bit redundant. Su'a-filo is a rock solid pick, and I like the late-round flyers on Webster and Atkinson.
the reality is we have 2 big, slow, proven receivers on this team and nothing else. patton shows promise, but is not proven--and he is not a field-stretching player. outside of them, we have nothing...and that's scary. to me, the receivers in this mock are as talented as--or more talented than--the receivers slated to go closely before them who are 2-4 inches taller. and the tall florida st guy is less of a player than my guys. i'm just looking at football talent, not height. i'm getting more receiver talent in the late 2nd-late 3rd than drafting taller guys with less talent earlier. we need speed and elite athleticism at the position, not more size in a mediocre body. definitely out of the box, but speedy, elite athletes are needed in the worst way.
Mar 16, 2014 at 5:31 PM
- xcfan
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Originally posted by matt49er:check the roster--it's frightening enough to keep you up at night...unless you're not planning on going to the super bowl.
Overkill on WRs, drafting a center in the 2nd round after we just extended Kilgore? Don't like.
kilgore? he has lots of good qualities, BUT he's not a starting center in this league who can win play-to-play. he doesn't have the brute strength that i was hoping he'd acquire in the few years he's been here.
Mar 16, 2014 at 5:31 PM
- tatdwolf49
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Good mock if we want tha all midget WR core ....
Mar 16, 2014 at 5:31 PM
- Travisty13
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Don't mind the Fuller pock, but Su'a-Filo will be gone by our 2nd rounders plus you want to convert a guy who's better suited to play Guard (and possibly Tackle in emergency situations) and move him to Center where he has no experience? I don't mind the 3 WRs, but they are all essentially the same type of WR. Why not grab a tall, physical WR instead of all smaller speed guys? And as a Purdue guy, Pamphile may have good size and athleticism. But he's horrible. He played on probably the worst line in college football, has no technique and when he gets beat he resorts to holding. He's a UDFA who'd need to sit awhile to learn. Why not grab someone with alot of potential or has an injury that made him drop instead?
Mar 16, 2014 at 5:51 PM
- xcfan
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Originally posted by Travisty13:
Don't mind the Fuller pock, but Su'a-Filo will be gone by our 2nd rounders plus you want to convert a guy who's better suited to play Guard (and possibly Tackle in emergency situations) and move him to Center where he has no experience? I don't mind the 3 WRs, but they are all essentially the same type of WR. Why not grab a tall, physical WR instead of all smaller speed guys? And as a Purdue guy, Pamphile may have good size and athleticism. But he's horrible. He played on probably the worst line in college football, has no technique and when he gets beat he resorts to holding. He's a UDFA who'd need to sit awhile to learn. Why not grab someone with alot of potential or has an injury that made him drop instead?
i agree, pamphile is very green, but i think he has good reasons for this given his lack of experience. he has the athletic talent to get coached up into something.
i don't know, i think su'a-filo just might make it to us in the 2nd rd. some think he's going 25 picks earlier. i just don't see that; he's not iupati or kyle long or even larry warford, who was a mid-second rd pick last year.
Mar 16, 2014 at 6:40 PM
- T-9ers
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your mock needs a wide receiver
Mar 16, 2014 at 6:45 PM
- m_brockalexander
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Like Fuller, Sua-Filo will not make it to #56, pick 2 of 3 WR's, and Watkins will not be there in the 3rd or 4th. Only other good pick is Justin Ellis. Would not be happy with this draft at all.
Mar 16, 2014 at 6:52 PM
- SofaKing
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Originally posted by xcfan:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Combination of Fuller and Watkins is awesome. I like each individual WR you chose, but taking all 3 of them seems a bit redundant. Su'a-filo is a rock solid pick, and I like the late-round flyers on Webster and Atkinson.
the reality is we have 2 big, slow, proven receivers on this team and nothing else. patton shows promise, but is not proven--and he is not a field-stretching player. outside of them, we have nothing...and that's scary. to me, the receivers in this mock are as talented as--or more talented than--the receivers slated to go closely before them who are 2-4 inches taller. and the tall florida st guy is less of a player than my guys. i'm just looking at football talent, not height. i'm getting more receiver talent in the late 2nd-late 3rd than drafting taller guys with less talent earlier. we need speed and elite athleticism at the position, not more size in a mediocre body. definitely out of the box, but speedy, elite athletes are needed in the worst way.
I share your concerns with the lack of speed/athleticism in the receiving core. I think the 49ers feel the same way, which explains the interest in Edelman, Sanders, and the recent but failed drafting of Jenkins. We will definitely look for similar types of athletes in the draft.
I'm not so sure we'll take 3 such undersized athletes. That would comprise half of our WR core. Generally speaking, bigger players still tend to be more productive and durable. 24 players had 1,000 yards receiving this year. Of those 24, only 6 were sub-6'0", and only 7 were sub-200 lbs. We just need a role player or two who can add some speed and better compliment Crabtree/Boldin.
Mar 16, 2014 at 6:56 PM
- eastcoast49ersfan
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Originally posted by xcfan:i don't know, i think su'a-filo just might make it to us in the 2nd rd. some think he's going 25 picks earlier. i just don't see that; he's not iupati or kyle long or even larry warford, who was a mid-second rd pick last year.
At this point, I think it's very likely Su'a-filo is the first interior lineman chosen. The last time there were no interior linemen chosen in the first round was the 2008 draft where we took the first one at 39. I would not be surprised if Su'a-filo goes late in the first but I think there is no shot he falls all the way to 56. I don't know why you think Warford and Long were better prospects than Su'a-filo - it was a surprise when along was chosen in the first while Su'a-filo is being mocked in the first by a number of analysts.
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