OTC's Pre-Combine Mock 2/18/14

Solid. Like a lot of picks. I think we need a shiftier receiver earlier on.

I am not sold on an OT in the 2nd round. Yes we need depth but a player who won't rotate in and only see action in case of an injury in the 2nd round may be a little too high.

OLB in the 3rd round. Skuta played very well this season and Lemonier has great potential. One would have to be cut to make room. Maybe if he fell to the 4th or 5th
round but not in the 3rd.

An ILB in the 5th rd. We have Wilhoite who played well and Moody.

Depth Chart: You have 26 on offense and 29 on defense. That's 55 players for 50 spots. Don't forget the 3 on special teams, P, K, LS
You need to cut 5 players.

Originally posted by MC9BEAT:

I am not sold on an OT in the 2nd round. Yes we need depth but a player who won't rotate in and only see action in case of an injury in the 2nd round may be a little too high.

OLB in the 3rd round. Skuta played very well this season and Lemonier has great potential. One would have to be cut to make room. Maybe if he fell to the 4th or 5th
round but not in the 3rd.

An ILB in the 5th rd. We have Wilhoite who played well and Moody.

Depth Chart: You have 26 on offense and 29 on defense. That's 55 players for 50 spots. Don't forget the 3 on special teams, P, K, LS
You need to cut 5 players.

That's a training camp roster of some key players. I have not included every potential player in that "quick-look" of the depth chart.

As far as loading up on positions -- the Patriots and other top teams do it all the time. It gives you options in case of injury, or if someone emerges, the best man wins the job. The top teams all do this.

Again, this is a prediction based on us keeping all of our picks, which obviously isn't going to happen. Ideally, I think we wind up selecting 8-10 players instead of 11-13.

Nice mock

Originally posted by tohara3:
Nice mock

Nice Comment

A "Brian Sabean" style draft. Builds on areas of strength the Niners already have and then mix in some players in areas of need. Nice mock.

I'd like to see the team let Dawson relocate. I know he was better than Akers by a lot, but we didn't progress any farther with him, and there's no telling when an older kicker is going to fall off (Akers was awesome in 2011). I think the teams that scout well save a lot with out giving up much (if anything) on the field by drafting a kicker. It's not like we can't spare a late pick.

I'd also like Whitner to move on. We can give Spillman a shot (he does awesome work in the GL package, so we need to get him reps in coverage), and draft a rookie to develop (Joyner is a freak, and Reid already knows how to work well with Loston).

If we don't spend the savings in the big money extensions we need to get done this offseason, we can roll it into stout first year guarantees for the 2015 contracts out key guys can get (Kap, Aldon, Crab?, Iupati?). I might even be okay letting Boldin walk, if the coaches believe in Pattan and macDonald.

As far as the draft, I think TJE is gonna keep improving, and I believe in Tank. Give me Joyner or Cooks at 30 (if we don't trade up for someone else). I'd still grab Moncrief in the second, especially if Boldin wants more than Baalke will offer.

I like your thinking, though. It is nice to see a mock that combines your effort in study woth a desire to view the prospects and team-building strategy like the team might. Thanks, man.

Very nice. I like the idea of picking up an OT AND an OG/C anytime from rounds 2-5. I had high hopes for Looney and Kilgore but when Iupati was down Snyder kept them out of the rotation for the most part . . . so WTF? What do we have with those two? The competition level needs to come up. And your point about keeping Boone in place if Staley or Davis go down is spot on.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'd like to see the team let Dawson relocate. I know he was better than Akers by a lot, but we didn't progress any farther with him, and there's no telling when an older kicker is going to fall off (Akers was awesome in 2011). I think the teams that scout well save a lot with out giving up much (if anything) on the field by drafting a kicker. It's not like we can't spare a late pick.

I'd also like Whitner to move on. We can give Spillman a shot (he does awesome work in the GL package, so we need to get him reps in coverage), and draft a rookie to develop (Joyner is a freak, and Reid already knows how to work well with Loston).

If we don't spend the savings in the big money extensions we need to get done this offseason, we can roll it into stout first year guarantees for the 2015 contracts out key guys can get (Kap, Aldon, Crab?, Iupati?). I might even be okay letting Boldin walk, if the coaches believe in Pattan and macDonald.

As far as the draft, I think TJE is gonna keep improving, and I believe in Tank. Give me Joyner or Cooks at 30 (if we don't trade up for someone else). I'd still grab Moncrief in the second, especially if Boldin wants more than Baalke will offer.

I like your thinking, though. It is nice to see a mock that combines your effort in study woth a desire to view the prospects and team-building strategy like the team might. Thanks, man.

I say draft a kicker. Do you really want to pay Dawson a lot?? The Niners need to score TD's, not FG's to win.

I think a DT and an OT in the first 3 picks is not wise. The Niners need playmakers, speed, etc. This comes at WR, SS and CB.

Why draft a center so low when a center is what is needed??

Nice job, love the Hageman, Moncrief, Desir, Larson, Huff, Archer picks. But I would replace Whitner with a draftee. That's my only knock our your off-season.

We will never win a championship having him as a weak link on defense. Playoff teams have exploited him in the past 3 playoff seasons. Think back to that 4th quarter against the Saints 3 seasons ago. Luckily Alex Smith & VD saved the team. Think about our playoff run 2 seasons ago where we lost in the superbowl. Whitner again was horrible but luckily, Kaep put the team on his shoulders and carried the team to the superbowl.

This past year, he and the defense played a little better but still gave up big plays when it counted most. It's time to upgrade the weakness, not prolong it. He's only going to get older and slower. I believe other teams around the NFL will be overjoyed if we resign Whitner. They will always have that one target to attack.

Love the Moncrief pick

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
I am not sold on an OT in the 2nd round. Yes we need depth but a player who won't rotate in and only see action in case of an injury in the 2nd round may be a little too high.

OLB in the 3rd round. Skuta played very well this season and Lemonier has great potential. One would have to be cut to make room. Maybe if he fell to the 4th or 5th
round but not in the 3rd.

An ILB in the 5th rd. We have Wilhoite who played well and Moody.

Depth Chart: You have 26 on offense and 29 on defense. That's 55 players for 50 spots. Don't forget the 3 on special teams, P, K, LS
You need to cut 5 players.

That's a training camp roster of some key players. I have not included every potential player in that "quick-look" of the depth chart.

As far as loading up on positions -- the Patriots and other top teams do it all the time. It gives you options in case of injury, or if someone emerges, the best man wins the job. The top teams all do this.

Again, this is a prediction based on us keeping all of our picks, which obviously isn't going to happen. Ideally, I think we wind up selecting 8-10 players instead of 11-13.

I would agree that teams load up but none of them (even the Pats) have our depth. We drafted 2 LB's last year and you draft 2 more. If a really good OT slips to the 3rd round I would be ok drafting 1 there. Drafting players early you might end up cutting if no one gets hurt is chancy. You draft a Center in the 4th when the starting job will be up for grabs and an OT in the 2nd where the starting jobs are locked up and he might not play a single down. Why not a reversal?

I like the players selected but we need depth at CB and WR that can rotate in and challenge to start and you barely address the need and go for overkill at the LB position. Wright was downgraded on the depth chart after we brought Parish Cox back so I wouldn't count on him. I would prefer we drafted 2 top corners.

It wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen if our draft went down this way and I like the players chosen but I think we could allocate our picks a little better.

As for options in case of injury. What are our options at CB if we lose 1 in preseason like Culliver last year and another early in the year?
What if we lose a WR in preseason like when Crabtree got hurt and then another goes down like Patton did?
At least at LB we have capable back ups that can play. All of our OL back ups are capable and I could see adding a C early to start or later for depth and an OT in the 3rd-5th round range for more depth.
At WR and CB our depth sucks.

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'd like to see the team let Dawson relocate. I know he was better than Akers by a lot, but we didn't progress any farther with him, and there's no telling when an older kicker is going to fall off (Akers was awesome in 2011). I think the teams that scout well save a lot with out giving up much (if anything) on the field by drafting a kicker. It's not like we can't spare a late pick.

I'd also like Whitner to move on. We can give Spillman a shot (he does awesome work in the GL package, so we need to get him reps in coverage), and draft a rookie to develop (Joyner is a freak, and Reid already knows how to work well with Loston).

If we don't spend the savings in the big money extensions we need to get done this offseason, we can roll it into stout first year guarantees for the 2015 contracts out key guys can get (Kap, Aldon, Crab?, Iupati?). I might even be okay letting Boldin walk, if the coaches believe in Pattan and macDonald.

As far as the draft, I think TJE is gonna keep improving, and I believe in Tank. Give me Joyner or Cooks at 30 (if we don't trade up for someone else). I'd still grab Moncrief in the second, especially if Boldin wants more than Baalke will offer.

I like your thinking, though. It is nice to see a mock that combines your effort in study woth a desire to view the prospects and team-building strategy like the team might. Thanks, man.

I say draft a kicker. Do you really want to pay Dawson a lot?? The Niners need to score TD's, not FG's to win.

I think a DT and an OT in the first 3 picks is not wise. The Niners need playmakers, speed, etc. This comes at WR, SS and CB.

Why draft a center so low when a center is what is needed??

You realize that Dawson is the reason we were in so many games, we had zero passing game. I don't trust the normal rookie kicker. Not everyone is Zurlien or Blair Walsh. I don't see a Kicker in this draft as a must have Kicker. Rather spend$2.5M-$3M on Dawson, who is worth the money. Also rather have Whitner back then trust a rookie SS or Spillman. I like Spillman, but I rather have a veteran at SS, he was so helpful to Reid in 2013, he is a must IMO.

I like the picks. You made solid choices in this draft.

But I will say the OT in the 2nd round bothers me the most. Unless you think he projects at LG, I think it's an absolute waste of a pick if we have Snyder and a few tackle prospects sitting on the bench and select a 2nd round OT.