Phoenix49ers Mock Draft 5.0

Nice looking mock. I was thinking something similar, except some sort of Reid like trade to nab either Dennard or Gilbert in the 1st, then Joyner and WR in the 2nd. What are your thoughts on Loston from LSU? i heard he is somewhat similar to Reid, not as much range thought.

In my mock I did the same draft back to get another 4th rounder, I love Joyner but because of his height and he's not fast in straight line speed but rather quick like tyrann I belive he will still be there in the late 2nd round. I would take Jordan Mathews and than Joyner and I'm not a big fan of Dixon. I like Buccannon instead. Have a prospect like Mcgill or Stanley instead of breelander, other than that I like the mock.. I'm about 80 percent sure we going to take Colvin and Long so that they can heal and learn the system. It's going to be hard if we don't because it's hard already to make a 53 man roster

Originally posted by cgoblin:
In my mock I did the same draft back to get another 4th rounder, I love Joyner but because of his height and he's not fast in straight line speed but rather quick like tyrann I belive he will still be there in the late 2nd round. I would take Jordan Mathews and than Joyner and I'm not a big fan of Dixon. I like Buccannon instead. Have a prospect like Mcgill or Stanley instead of breelander, other than that I like the mock.. I'm about 80 percent sure we going to take Colvin and Long so that they can heal and learn the system. It's going to be hard if we don't because it's hard already to make a 53 man roster

I like Dixon a lot, the way he moves, with his terrific athleticism, reminds me of this guy from last draft.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/j.j.-wilcox?id=2540219


Breelander I think is grossly underrated, he's got good size, good athleticism solid technique, somewhat raw but a lot of potential to be a good NFL cornerback playing on the outside. He also wouldn't need to start right away which is a huge plus.


As far as Joyner, the only way he falls down the draft boards is if he bombs completely at the Combine and I don't see that happening. I can see him being an instant impact player for this defense, straight out of the gate and being an upgrade for the 49ers at the nickel spot compared to Rogers this season.


I think both Gilbert and Dennard will be gone way too early for a trade up to be really viable, that and the 49ers don't necessarily need to go with those guys, they've got Brock coming back, Culliver coming back from injury to be on the outside, the more I look at it, nickelback is the biggest void and Joyner would more than take care of that spot.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cgoblin:

In my mock I did the same draft back to get another 4th rounder, I love Joyner but because of his height and he's not fast in straight line speed but rather quick like tyrann I belive he will still be there in the late 2nd round. I would take Jordan Mathews and than Joyner and I'm not a big fan of Dixon. I like Buccannon instead. Have a prospect like Mcgill or Stanley instead of breelander, other than that I like the jmock.. I'm about 80 percent sure we going to take Colvin and Long so that they can heal and learn the system. It's going to be hard if we don't because it's hard already to make a 53 man roster

I like Dixon a lot, the way he moves, with his terrific athleticism, reminds me of this guy from last draft.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/j.j.-wilcox?id=2540219


Breelander I think is grossly underrated, he's got good size, good athleticism solid technique, somewhat raw but a lot of potential to be a good NFL cornerback playing on the outside. He also wouldn't need to start right away which is a huge plus.


As far as Joyner, the only way he falls down the draft boards is if he bombs completely at the Combine and I don't see that happening. I can see him being an instant impact player for this defense, straight out of the gate and being an upgrade for the 49ers at the nickel spot compared to Rogers this season.


I think both Gilbert and Dennard will be gone way too early for a trade up to be really viable, that and the 49ers don't necessarily need to go with those guys, they've got Brock coming back, Culliver coming back from injury to be on the outside, the more I look at it, nickelback is the biggest void and Joyner would more than take care of that spot.

I love Joyner he reminds me of a stronger and more of a physical Hiter than Tyrann Mathew. I was pissed when we didn't draft him last year i hope we don't make that mistake again. I wouldn't mind drafting him in our 1st pick to make sure we get him. I do also belive he can start in day on and get our defense to go is very the top. Our linebackers are so good that it makes our secondary look great when they are really average. We just need 1 cold slot corner which i think it's Joyner and a cold outside corner like a Patrick Peterson or Joe Haden hell I'll be happy if had DRC.

Originally posted by cgoblin:
I love Joyner he reminds me of a stronger and more of a physical Hiter than Tyrann Mathew. I was pissed when we didn't draft him last year i hope we don't make that mistake again. I wouldn't mind drafting him in our 1st pick to make sure we get him. I do also belive he can start in day on and get our defense to go is very the top. Our linebackers are so good that it makes our secondary look great when they are really average. We just need 1 cold slot corner which i think it's Joyner and a cold outside corner like a Patrick Peterson or Joe Haden hell I'll be happy if had DRC.

Not a fan of the guy, I think Brock is pretty underrated and Culliver was an outstanding performer during the 2012 season. The slot corner was the biggest weakness on the defense I think. If they had someone who can shut down the slot receivers, some of the smaller faster guys that have beat them up in previous years, this defense would be even more intimidating.

Phoenix, we like a lot of the same guys and we sure agree on the positions of need....................BUT two NT's? Like the Ellis selection early but Mister Cobble seems like overkill to me.

Very nice mock overall.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Phoenix, we like a lot of the same guys and we sure agree on the positions of need....................BUT two NT's? Like the Ellis selection early but Mister Cobble seems like overkill to me.

Very nice mock overall.

Cobble's just one of my favorite guys, he likely would be a practice squad guy, someone to develop over time.


EDIT-Turns out the 49ers have only 3 picks in the 7th round this year, so he gets scrubbed.

Overall, I like your take on the draft. We like a lot of the prospects. Justin Ellis has been playing really well at the both the EW Shrine Game and in the Senior Bowl practices. Also, I definitely agree that slot corner has been a weakness for our secondary. Fangio's insistence of playing Rogers there helps with the stopping the run, but he is consistently beat in pass coverage, even when health. So getting a guy like Joyner to play that role is solid pick. Im curious what you see happening with the cornerback situation. You only took one, plus Colvin who is a injury special redshirt candidate.

Originally posted by YayArea:
Overall, I like your take on the draft. We like a lot of the prospects. Justin Ellis has been playing really well at the both the EW Shrine Game and in the Senior Bowl practices. Also, I definitely agree that slot corner has been a weakness for our secondary. Fangio's insistence of playing Rogers there helps with the stopping the run, but he is consistently beat in pass coverage, even when health. So getting a guy like Joyner to play that role is solid pick. Im curious what you see happening with the cornerback situation. You only took one, plus Colvin who is a injury special redshirt candidate.

Joyner and Breeland+Colvin for 2015. Why would they need more than that? Brock and Culliver as starters on the outside, Joyner as a nickelback and then Breeland, potentially Cox and Morris and then you have Colvin who will be recovering for 2015.

Love the Moncrief pick...plus I believe he'll be there in the second round if the 49ers decide not trade down in the first.

Short corners scare me. Also, I think we should trend toward good cover safeties. With wide open offenses and TEs like wide receivers, the hard hitting safety with average cover skills are losing ground. Besides, we rarely need help in the box with our Defensive front 7.

Originally posted by 60sFan:
Short corners scare me. Also, I think we should trend toward good cover safeties. With wide open offenses and TEs like wide receivers, the hard hitting safety with average cover skills are losing ground. Besides, we rarely need help in the box with our Defensive front 7.

Like who? Brock and Brown are both 5'10", did being short present some insurmountable challenge to their own performance? Did it prevent Mathieu from making an impact for the Cardinals? Verner was one of the very best corners in the NFL, he's barely 5'10. When it comes to a slot corner, you want someone with fluid enough hips to keep up with the super quick jitterbug types and you want a sure tackler who can make plays in the open field. Joyner is all of that and then some. Carlos Rogers is 6'2", was his height all that beneficial as the slot corner?




As far Dixon, he has the ability to improve in coverage as well, certainly has the athleticism and decent size for the position. He's another upside pick, a guy who has a high ceiling who can be coached up. His good instincts and awareness however can't. The same goes for Joyner, great football instincts, flies to the football,, always seems to know exactly where to go.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 60sFan:

Short corners scare me. Also, I think we should trend toward good cover safeties. With wide open offenses and TEs like wide receivers, the hard hitting safety with average cover skills are losing ground. Besides, we rarely need help in the box with our Defensive front 7.

Like who? Brock and Brown are both 5'10", did being short present some insurmountable challenge to their own performance? Did it prevent Mathieu from making an impact for the Cardinals? Verner was one of the very best corners in the NFL, he's barely 5'10. When it comes to a slot corner, you want someone with fluid enough hips to keep up with the super quick jitterbug types and you want a sure tackler who can make plays in the open field. Joyner is all of that and then some.


As far Dixon, he has the ability to improve in coverage as well, certainly has the athleticism and decent size for the position. He's another upside pick, a guy who has a high ceiling who can be coached up. His good instincts and awareness however can't. The same goes for Joyner, great football instincts, flies to the football,, always seems to know exactly where to go.

It's possible he might be an exception, I would rather err toward a longer armed corner with some quickness who can get his hands in the way of some quick passes.

Originally posted by 60sFan:
It's possible he might be an exception, I would rather err toward a longer armed corner with some quickness who can get his hands in the way of some quick passes.

Exception to what? I still don't get it. The Bills brought in an undrafted 5'7" Nickell Robey who was a beast for them in the slot. I don't envision Joyner playing on the outside, I envision him playing in the slot, so why is his height an issue then?

Like I said, Rogers is 6'2", did his long arms and length help deflect that pass that went to Kearse into the endzone on 4th down? I think quickness, footwork and overall speed are more important that length in the slot. How many times did Rogers struggle with guys like Cruz and others?


Football skills>>>>Height. Joyner has an immense skillset to be a true impact player on defense, a guy who teams will have to account for, who change an entire game with his skills. If you have a shot at someone like that, it is certainly worth taking. Knowing what they know now, do you think Mathieu still lasts to the 3rd round in a re-draft?