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ABs 1st Post NFC Title Game Mock Offseason

good stuff like always lol,, love how we retain mostly everyone i want goodwin back
AB, thanks for the great read. A few thoughts/questions:

questions:
1) why does everyone assume Iupati is gone? Is it because the team has not yet re-signed him, or because his level of play hasn't matched his expected contract?
2) can you quickly give an overview (of if this is too long, maybe at some point create a separate thread) of how the salary cap works? what counts towards it, what doesn't, why not give everything as a signing bonus if that doesn't count towards the salary cap, or does it? Etc. That would be extremely interesting if you get the time.

comments:
1) I don't think there are enough WRs in your draft. I understand that with Crabtree, Boldin, Patten and Matthews we'll likely have 4 quality WRs, but a few things to consider: will Matthews be ready to play, or like Patten, will he need most of the year to adjust? will Crabtree demand more than he's worth? When will Boldin's age finally catch up to him? Sometimes that happens unexpectedly, like it did with Moss and the Pats. What if one of them gets hurt? And can any of them win consistently, 1-on-1 against Seattle's DB's? That has to be a question we ask. I like Matthews, but there's too much WR talent in this class to only come out with 1 player at the position.

2) I don't see appeal in Ricardo Allen. He's extremely small. This has become a game of length (JJ Watt, Sherman, Aldon Smith, Alshon Jeffries, AJ Green, Graham, Chancellor, Patrick Peterson, Calias Campbell, etc). Talented yet small players aren't making that type of impact (best small WRs today are DJax and Percy. Neither can stay healthy, and aren't actually all that productive from a numbers standpoint) in today's game. There aren't many corners that succeed at that size (Honey Badger is an exception to the small corners rule, but he's got top 5 explosiveness and instincts at the position). His production is ok, but not anything special. His history with punt returns has been minimal. I feel like this is a prospect who would be drafted largely based on 40 time. But short arms and lack of height scare me.

3) I think we need a more premium investment in a C. Goodwin's physical abilities are probably slightly below avg, but he's still a very effective leader of that line. If we are not convinced Kilgore could do it, and he can't handle it, the line could really start to fall apart. If that happens, our team is in a rough spot. We're not strong anywhere then. Receivers are good, but it's not like the group Denver or Atl have. DBs are ok, but not Seattle's. The DL is aging, and the youth is unproven. RBs/QB suffer behind a weak line. No dynamic return specialist makes our ST unit merely good, not great. All we have are elite LBs. We need that offensive line to stay dominant, and that means having a strong contingency plan, or strong competition for Kilgore at C. A ready starter. This draft has a few in the first 3 rounds, and I'm not sure we have a way around that if we don't address the position in FA.

Thanks again for one of the more interesting and detailed mock off-seasons. Look forward to seeing more
We can't go into the 2015 off season having not extended even 1 of the big 3. Why not use our draft capital to replenish and restock with younger cheaper players? I would like to have a sustainable winning franchise for more than just next season.
mock is solid, though I dont like that you go for another CB in the first three rounds.
we need a speedster at WR badly. I dont think that matthews is this type of a player.
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I have a question.

When is the deadline to resign players who will be free agents at the end of this year(Boldin, Goodwin, Brown et al)?
Love the Gilbert pick.
if we could come away with both Gilbert and Matthews, I'd be a very happy man. however, i'm beginning to see Matthews' stock rise even up to a late 1st rounder.
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Originally posted by LaMichaelJeff:
if we could come away with both Gilbert and Matthews, I'd be a very happy man. however, i'm beginning to see Matthews' stock rise even up to a late 1st rounder.

I want us to draft Matthews.

I think we might have to move up five or six spots in the first to get him.
Originally posted by ilikecows699:
good stuff like always lol,, love how we retain mostly everyone i want goodwin back

I wouldn't be against Goodwin back. Just he may retire, but he said we would like to stay. So maybe it happens.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
AB, thanks for the great read. A few thoughts/questions:

questions:
1) why does everyone assume Iupati is gone? Is it because the team has not yet re-signed him, or because his level of play hasn't matched his expected contract?
2) can you quickly give an overview (of if this is too long, maybe at some point create a separate thread) of how the salary cap works? what counts towards it, what doesn't, why not give everything as a signing bonus if that doesn't count towards the salary cap, or does it? Etc. That would be extremely interesting if you get the time.

comments:
1) I don't think there are enough WRs in your draft. I understand that with Crabtree, Boldin, Patten and Matthews we'll likely have 4 quality WRs, but a few things to consider: will Matthews be ready to play, or like Patten, will he need most of the year to adjust? will Crabtree demand more than he's worth? When will Boldin's age finally catch up to him? Sometimes that happens unexpectedly, like it did with Moss and the Pats. What if one of them gets hurt? And can any of them win consistently, 1-on-1 against Seattle's DB's? That has to be a question we ask. I like Matthews, but there's too much WR talent in this class to only come out with 1 player at the position.

2) I don't see appeal in Ricardo Allen. He's extremely small. This has become a game of length (JJ Watt, Sherman, Aldon Smith, Alshon Jeffries, AJ Green, Graham, Chancellor, Patrick Peterson, Calias Campbell, etc). Talented yet small players aren't making that type of impact (best small WRs today are DJax and Percy. Neither can stay healthy, and aren't actually all that productive from a numbers standpoint) in today's game. There aren't many corners that succeed at that size (Honey Badger is an exception to the small corners rule, but he's got top 5 explosiveness and instincts at the position). His production is ok, but not anything special. His history with punt returns has been minimal. I feel like this is a prospect who would be drafted largely based on 40 time. But short arms and lack of height scare me.

3) I think we need a more premium investment in a C. Goodwin's physical abilities are probably slightly below avg, but he's still a very effective leader of that line. If we are not convinced Kilgore could do it, and he can't handle it, the line could really start to fall apart. If that happens, our team is in a rough spot. We're not strong anywhere then. Receivers are good, but it's not like the group Denver or Atl have. DBs are ok, but not Seattle's. The DL is aging, and the youth is unproven. RBs/QB suffer behind a weak line. No dynamic return specialist makes our ST unit merely good, not great. All we have are elite LBs. We need that offensive line to stay dominant, and that means having a strong contingency plan, or strong competition for Kilgore at C. A ready starter. This draft has a few in the first 3 rounds, and I'm not sure we have a way around that if we don't address the position in FA.

Thanks again for one of the more interesting and detailed mock off-seasons. Look forward to seeing more

Thanks.

I was torn between Jackson, Swanson, and a WR with the 2nd #2 pick. Couldn't decide. Depending on who is there, I think we may very well take a guy like Jarvis Landry, or Martavis Bryant.

I like Allen. Maybe a guy like Fuller would be a good pick if not Allen.

I believe Larsen could come in and start, if they don't view it, I would say Swanson in rd 2 or trade up in rd 3.
Originally posted by communist:
mock is solid, though I dont like that you go for another CB in the first three rounds.
we need a speedster at WR badly. I dont think that matthews is this type of a player.

Yeah, true. Maybe a speedster is picked over Jackson.

For Iupati which I forgot. I think he will want too much. I hope I'm wrong, and we get him signed on the reasonable deal.
Originally posted by buck:
I have a question.

When is the deadline to resign players who will be free agents at the end of this year(Boldin, Goodwin, Brown et al)?

No real deadline. We can start once super bowl is over. Actually for 2011 picks I think we can start now.
I think you should just send this to Baalke. I like it a lot.
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