Originally posted by Youngone:
This thread title needs to be changed, who made it? Lou Holtz?
Lol at the thought of Holtz lisping his way through the thread title.
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Originally posted by Youngone:
This thread title needs to be changed, who made it? Lou Holtz?
Originally posted by eonblue:
I have no doubt BoB has the final say, but I don't think there's a disparity between Manziel and the rest of this class. By that I mean if Andrew Luck or RG3(or comparable talent) were in this class the choice would be easy. This class is a tier below those guys. Out of this class Manziel is the only one that has the look of franchise QB. I just don't think they'll pass that up. Both the GM and BoB. I know O'Brien wants to start on the right foot but Manziel showed that he's a competent passer. Ultimately the fans will excuse Manziel being a flop because this would essentially be there pick. They wont excuse Bortles or Bridgewater and they'll march on the FO if they're getting beat by a Manziel ran Jaguars for the next couple of years. Maybe they pick Clowney though. Him and Watt are all-pro for the next 6 years. Pick a QB at the top of the 2nd.
Btw if you look at what O'Brien was doing with Hackenburg last season you see a system that Manziel could thrive in.
Originally posted by SaksV:In context, Jerry Rice was saying that Johnny Maziel has a bit of a "fighter" attitude/spirit to him. A "chip on his shoulder" that reminds him of a Steve Young.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
1- UCF HC George O'Leary is a former mentor of BoB. This could play a factor into whether BoB believes Bortles is a franchise QB not.
2- Look at the QB's who BoB has had around him and or brought in to work with in recent history : Hoyer, Mallet, Hackenburg. All much closer to Bortles than Manziel. And they just brought in Ryan Fitzpatrick who is also closer in mold to BB than JM.
3- BoB is a team first type of coach. No individual will be bigger than the team in Houston, thus he will covet players who show a certain level of maturity. I question whether Johnny has that maturity that BoB is going to covet.
Now I am not saying they won't or shouldn't take Manziel. I see your point, and agree that JM can fit into BoB's system. Not sure I agree though that Johnny is the only QB who looks like a franchise guy, I think Bortles exudes those qualities but is going to need more time to develop than Manziel. However there are some signs that definitely point towards BoB and Johnny Manziel not being a great match for each other. I am not even convinced they take a QB with the first pick, I think between Fitz and Keenum, they could let them compete for the starting job while BoB develops whomever his guy is going to be. I also don't believe BoB will be swayed by what the fans want.
be a disparity in dedication.Originally posted by eonblue:But it is. You can say it's not but it's a judgement on his character especially when you correlate you're statement with what you were responding to.
BrianGO said "Wilson opened the door for QBs like Manziel. Houston would be crazy not to take him" and you responded with "Wilsons a hard worker and he's dedicated. Manziel might be more dedicated to his fame". You're trying to refute BrianGOs comparison of Manziel to Wilson by saying they're [b]might
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Kolohe:Really? Who would those be?
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
No, giving a kid a million dollars when all he wants to do is party is why I wouldn't take him early.
Hes not an alcoholic. He had a quite season minus the autograph scandal at the beginning. Statistically his 2013 season beat 2012 season so he's not in a downward spiral or it would've manifeated itself on the field. All I noticed was him carrying his team to 8-4 when by all rights that defense was 0-12. Anyways beating a dead horse. I like Bridgewater and Bortles easily over Manziel but some team is going to continue the trend and pick him high because he's mobile.
I guess you continue to disregard that long article with his dad admitting that his son is indeed an acholic. And Manziel carrying his team or was it Evans and Walker bailing him out?? But yes a dead horse......shoot I can name 5 QB's I'd take over Manziel without him being a head case.
Manziel can make every throw in the book and obviously has the feet to escape the rush. I dont think there are any sure things among this QB group but I dont see 5 that have bigger upsides.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
1. Aaron Murray (if he was healthy)
2. David Carr
3. David Fales
4. Jimmy Garoppolo
5. Connor Shaw
6. Zach Mettenberger
7. James Franklin
What makes Manziel have more upside than any of those 7 I listed??
Originally posted by Kolohe:
1. Aaron Murray (if he was healthy)
2. David Carr
3. David Fales
4. Jimmy Garoppolo
5. Connor Shaw
6. Zach Mettenberger
7. James Franklin
What makes Manziel have more upside than any of those 7 I listed??
Originally posted by buck:
Vikings coach Mike Zimmer grills Johnny Manziel on 'flags'
"We asked him all kinds of questions. We went to dinner with him the night after (his pro day).
We talked to him at the combine. There are some flags that come up," Zimmer told 104.9 The Horn, according to a transcription at 247sports.com. "All of the things that happened out in Los Angeles, the commercials and all that stuff. The position of quarterback in the NFL is such an important position and the reason these guys need to be a totally football-minded guy is the pressure of the position and being the face of an NFL team and doing everything right.
"That's the thing you want to know about him: Will he be into work early every single day? Will be the last to leave? Will he be the guy that is working the hardest to get better?"
Manziel evaluations in the weeks leading up to the May 8 draft will likely focus heavily on what's between his ears, not what's in his throwing arm.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000338206/article/vikings-coach-mike-zimmer-grills-johnny-manziel-on-flags
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Source: Johnny Manziel spotted in New England, set for a visit with the #Patriots tomorrow. Agent @ErikBurkhardt would not confirm.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Kolohe:Really? Who would those be?
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
No, giving a kid a million dollars when all he wants to do is party is why I wouldn't take him early.
Hes not an alcoholic. He had a quite season minus the autograph scandal at the beginning. Statistically his 2013 season beat 2012 season so he's not in a downward spiral or it would've manifeated itself on the field. All I noticed was him carrying his team to 8-4 when by all rights that defense was 0-12. Anyways beating a dead horse. I like Bridgewater and Bortles easily over Manziel but some team is going to continue the trend and pick him high because he's mobile.
I guess you continue to disregard that long article with his dad admitting that his son is indeed an acholic. And Manziel carrying his team or was it Evans and Walker bailing him out?? But yes a dead horse......shoot I can name 5 QB's I'd take over Manziel without him being a head case.
Manziel can make every throw in the book and obviously has the feet to escape the rush. I dont think there are any sure things among this QB group but I dont see 5 that have bigger upsides.
1. Aaron Murray (if he was healthy)
2. David Carr
3. David Fales
4. Jimmy Garoppolo
5. Connor Shaw
6. Zach Mettenberger
7. James Franklin
What makes Manziel have more upside than any of those 7 I listed??
Originally posted by Kolohe:Wow what's so funny, bunch of frickin comedians in here.
All QB's mentioned have bigger arms, a good head on his shoulders, just as mobile with good pocket presence they're just not getting the hype Mr. Johnny football is getting.
We will all see who the better Pro is in the NFL.