What is unusual with the Reid selection.................

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Baalke aptly called Reid a "prototype safety," 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh unleashed a jam-packed scouting report."He has great contact courage," Harbaugh said. "He likes to get from Point A to Point B and go hit somebody. He's an effective tackler, does it extremely well. He can be a range safety, cover ground. Long arms, big wing span."

I actually believe them when they say Reid was the #1 safety on their board. He seems like a different type of player than Vaccaro, and there's certainly a lot to like.

I do too. His measurables are better than virtually every safety in the draft and Harbaugh has followed the guy's college career very closely.

The bottom line is this...the Niners FO likes big, fast, athletic, intelligent, hard-working players with long arms who love the game of football. Reid has all of those qualities. In fact, if you look back on the guys that Baalke and Harbaugh have drafted together, the vast majority have them.

I think he can be good, but he'll have to work on some things. To his credit, the fact that he often times had to survey and cover both sides of the field helps me feel secured. Good size and speed. He's a leader and hes Smart. All good things. Plus our D is better this year so he'll be taken care of.

Originally posted by WildBill:
Reid is more talented than Dashon, although Goldson has more experience. However, I don't think in his first year he will be that far off when he starts. Plus he is way ahead of Dahl. As for signing him, the niners were willing to give him 6 a season, but he wanted 8+, not worth it if you are trying to make a good team. He is not one you build your team around. Now, a Ronnie Lott in his prime would be something else.

I think Dashon was, and is currently the most talented Safety in football.

Originally posted by bdub2588:

Originally posted by WildBill:
Reid is more talented than Dashon, although Goldson has more experience. However, I don't think in his first year he will be that far off when he starts. Plus he is way ahead of Dahl. As for signing him, the niners were willing to give him 6 a season, but he wanted 8 , not worth it if you are trying to make a good team. He is not one you build your team around. Now, a Ronnie Lott in his prime would be something else.

I think Dashon was, and is currently the most talented Safety in football.

Matter of opinion, but I would take 4 Safeties in Michael Griffin, Jarius Byrd, Ed Reed and Stevie Brown over Goldson. Those 4 made just as much if not more plays than Goldson did last year.

Originally posted by bdub2588:
I think Dashon was, and is currently the most talented Safety in football.

This seems wrong to me but may be a matter of perspective. Yes, he intimidated many receivers and was a good all around safety. But he also made incredibly idiotic plays that resulted in penalties. Hitting guys who are already tackled can't be excused...just dumb. Hopefully, Reid will be much smarter in this regard.

It will be interesting to see how Goldson does on a new team. Will he excel? Or, like the DBs in Philly, will he drop off in production? Next year will be exciting for more reasons than just watching the 9ers...which is exciting enough!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Matter of opinion, but I would take 4 Safeties in Michael Griffin, Jarius Byrd, Ed Reed and Stevie Brown over Goldson. Those 4 made just as much if not more plays than Goldson did last year.

Griffin was atrocious last year. And although Stevie brown had tons of ints he really struggles in coverage and only the saints gave up more big passing plays then the giants last year. They're not in Goldsons lg.

I think the Rams were targeting Reid. We picked 4 spots ahead of the Rams pick before they traded back. Safety was one of their biggest needs. They also
picked up TJ Mcdonald in the 3rd, whose size/stature, resembles that of Reid. Note: article doesnt agree
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/98616/sleuthing-the-draft-with-st-louis-rams-gm-les-snead

"In this draft, there was one player where probably about four picks before I was like, 'Dang,'" Snead said. "The guys we did pick, they were targeted. But in every draft there's always one or two where you go, 'Ah, I can't believe it. I wish that wouldn't have happened.'"

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by bdub2588:

Originally posted by WildBill:
Reid is more talented than Dashon, although Goldson has more experience. However, I don't think in his first year he will be that far off when he starts. Plus he is way ahead of Dahl. As for signing him, the niners were willing to give him 6 a season, but he wanted 8 , not worth it if you are trying to make a good team. He is not one you build your team around. Now, a Ronnie Lott in his prime would be something else.

I think Dashon was, and is currently the most talented Safety in football.

Matter of opinion, but I would take 4 Safeties in Michael Griffin, Jarius Byrd, Ed Reed and Stevie Brown over Goldson. Those 4 made just as much if not more plays than Goldson did last year.

Earl Thomas is better than all five.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
This seems wrong to me but may be a matter of perspective. Yes, he intimidated many receivers and was a good all around safety. But he also made incredibly idiotic plays that resulted in penalties. Hitting guys who are already tackled can't be excused...just dumb. Hopefully, Reid will be much smarter in this regard.

It will be interesting to see how Goldson does on a new team. Will he excel? Or, like the DBs in Philly, will he drop off in production? Next year will be exciting for more reasons than just watching the 9ers...which is exciting enough!

I share your sense of enticement. Really if you look at Dashon's body of work, throughout his career he's produced under bad coaching and bad play around him. Though what you say may be true, that chip on his shoulder has been a fine catalyst. Still mournful over his departure.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by bdub2588:

Originally posted by WildBill:
Reid is more talented than Dashon, although Goldson has more experience. However, I don't think in his first year he will be that far off when he starts. Plus he is way ahead of Dahl. As for signing him, the niners were willing to give him 6 a season, but he wanted 8 , not worth it if you are trying to make a good team. He is not one you build your team around. Now, a Ronnie Lott in his prime would be something else.

I think Dashon was, and is currently the most talented Safety in football.

Matter of opinion, but I would take 4 Safeties in Michael Griffin, Jarius Byrd, Ed Reed and Stevie Brown over Goldson. Those 4 made just as much if not more plays than Goldson did last year.

Earl Thomas is better than all five.

Goldson is going to have Revis playing one side of the field for him.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Matter of opinion, but I would take 4 Safeties in Michael Griffin, Jarius Byrd, Ed Reed and Stevie Brown over Goldson. Those 4 made just as much if not more plays than Goldson did last year.

All these guys really are close to each other. Its an ever evolving position, so it comes down to style. In our system I earnestly believe Dashon stylistically is the best one. He combines all of the attributes of a safety and a corner, and perhaps is a happy medium, of all those guys you mentioned. In his prime I'd take Ed Reed any day obviously both speed and smarts, but talent is a relative term anyway.. Lol

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Goldson is going to have Revis playing one side of the field for him.

I honestly don't see how that defense as a whole doesn't go out like the 85 Bears.. On paper they're way too good to be true. And that Shiano character looks like a genetically infused reincarnation between Vince Lombardi and Hank Stram. He's sure to be a good coach right?

Harbaugh has always wanted Reid since he came out of high school, and he finally got him.

Wild Bill, I am in agreement with you re: goldson. Sure he was a good tackler. And yes, after he made a good tackle, he would talk trash and turn a successful 3rd down pass defense with a 15 yd 1st down penalty. Pure stupidity. But he wasn't a good learner because for a while there he was doing the trash talk on virtually every play. And the officials could have called a lot more penalties on him. But back to Dashon's tackling. Yes, he covered well, and he made the tackle. But tackling a guy for a 7 yd completion on 3rd and 5, doesn't cut it. And Goldson had more "defended" tackles than anyone...except most of the time, instead of knocking the ball down, he tackled the WR for a first down. Shut down corner is one thing. Goldson was something else. He was locking the barn AFTER the horses got out. Granted he made lots of tackle on pass plays...but what we needed was a knocked down pass or a WR catching the ball and then getting his teeth rattled. Goldson did neither of those things. He just made tackles on pass plays, giving the WR a first down.

Now if that is the kind of FS somebody wants, fine. Personally I prefer the FS that knocks the ball down or hits so hard the WR fumbles. Dashon WAS a good tackler. He was LOUSY at keeping a WR from making the catch for first down. At $6 mil, uumm ok, but way overpaid. His new florida team now overpays him well over what we were overpaying him. Good luck to them. Dashon will make good tackles on WRs, but will rarely knock the ball down or separate the ball from the player. He literally is a 3rd down tackling machine, whose tackles virtually always result in first downs. And then he trash talks...go figure...and good riddance. I have no ide if reid is going to knock those balls down or not. But i do know dashon managed tackles but did not prevent first downs. Whether he was paid $6 mil, 4 mil or 2 mil, it was too much. A FS is supposed to prevent passes from being caught. Dashon got an F on that . I trust Reid is the antithesis of dashon.

Reid>Vaccarro