Originally posted by pahlerbj:I believe an update is coming...
Lol. I just saw the stat line and thought the same thing.
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Originally posted by pahlerbj:I believe an update is coming...
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Another monster game from Watt today. What a defensive draft class 2011 is turning out to be.
Originally posted by pahlerbj:
Aldon didnt get a sack today......he sucks
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Rushing to Smith's defense: Although he did not get a sack in 65 pass attempts by Brady, one thing to note: Brady doesn't take sacks; Smith had a very important tipped ball for an INT; two hits and four hurries is not bad.
Of course, everybody is compared weekly to each other, so Smith and Von Miller pale in comparison to what Watt did this week. However, there are two more weeks and games to b played, so there is still fluidity. All of that bring said, Watt is clearly the front runner.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:Front runner for what? DPOY or sack title?
Originally posted by MadDog49er:Yeah, and Watt led his team to an impressive and memorable victory over the Patriots in New England two weeks ago!!! Right.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Front runner for what? DPOY or sack title?
DPOY. If thr numbers are close on sacks, Watt will be a runaway winner. Smith needs to post another Chicago-like game to win, in my opinion. Watt is simply superior in nearly every major category compared to Smith (tackles, tackles for loss, Passes defensed, etc.).
Originally posted by MadDog49er:Yeah, I read your "defense" of Aldon, which, while correct, seems like faint praise when you immediately switch back to your "Watt for DPOY" campaign.
If you read my previous post, nobody is saying that Aldon had a bad game. However, in comparison with Watt's game, it was far inferior. Since these two guys are the front runners, people are going to compare them weekly.
Watt- 10 solo tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 QB hits
Smith- 1 assisted tackle, 0 tackles for loss, 0 sacks, 1 INT, 2 QB hits
If you believe that Smith's performance last night was superior, then that is fine. I do encourage you to watch the Texans game, if it is replayed this week on the NFL network.
As for guys compiling impressive stats, nobody is arguing that are other players with nice stats. Geno Atkins has been phenomenal, Justin Smith is having another solid year, etc. However, nobody is in Watt's league right now. First in the NFL in sacks, first in the NFL in tackles for loss, first amongst all non-secondary members in deflections, second against the run for all DL according to Advacnced NFL Stats and Pro Football Focus, and thr highest graded player of all positions according to both of the previously listed sites.
Justin Smith is the benchmark for excellence as a 3-4 DE. He is second amongst all DL in tackles, with 66. Watt has 74. Justin Smith has 3 sacks, Watt has 19.5. Justin Smith has 2 passes defense, Watt 15. Smith has zero forced fumbles, Watt has three. So, even though Smith is having a fine overall year, the benchmark player has been dwarfed by Watt this year.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Either way, my point is that Aldon has proven to be THE RIGHT SELECTION in the 2011 draft for the Niners, irrespective of whether Watt was still available or not. That won't change if Watt wins some individual award at the end of the year.
Originally posted by AmpLee:Really you could say that the entire 2011 draft has proven to be a great one (except for that USC WR, forget his name.) Aldon, Kaepernick, Culliver, Hunter, Miller, Kilgore--that's quite a draft class.
While MD was certainly right about JJ Watt being a force, he was wrong on his assessment of Smith. But what I'm most excited about was how wrong he was about Kaep. This guy looks to have the tools to be a dominant force at the QB position for years to come. He's got elite size, speed, arm strength. Coupled with intelligence, accuracy, leadership, and humbleness, this guy could be the steal of the draft. I'm really surprised since RGIII and Cam Newton garnered the exact same superlatives, and that we were fortunate enough to land Kaep in the second round. What a home-run. Looks like Baalke knew what he was doing after all.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:Yeah, I read your "defense" of Aldon, which, while correct, seems like faint praise when you immediately switch back to your "Watt for DPOY" campaign.
If you read my previous post, nobody is saying that Aldon had a bad game. However, in comparison with Watt's game, it was far inferior. Since these two guys are the front runners, people are going to compare them weekly.
Watt- 10 solo tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 QB hits
Smith- 1 assisted tackle, 0 tackles for loss, 0 sacks, 1 INT, 2 QB hits
If you believe that Smith's performance last night was superior, then that is fine. I do encourage you to watch the Texans game, if it is replayed this week on the NFL network.
As for guys compiling impressive stats, nobody is arguing that are other players with nice stats. Geno Atkins has been phenomenal, Justin Smith is having another solid year, etc. However, nobody is in Watt's league right now. First in the NFL in sacks, first in the NFL in tackles for loss, first amongst all non-secondary members in deflections, second against the run for all DL according to Advacnced NFL Stats and Pro Football Focus, and thr highest graded player of all positions according to both of the previously listed sites.
Justin Smith is the benchmark for excellence as a 3-4 DE. He is second amongst all DL in tackles, with 66. Watt has 74. Justin Smith has 3 sacks, Watt has 19.5. Justin Smith has 2 passes defense, Watt 15. Smith has zero forced fumbles, Watt has three. So, even though Smith is having a fine overall year, the benchmark player has been dwarfed by Watt this year.
Watt's having a great year, statistically. Aldon's not doing too badly, either.
Aldon didn't have as good a game, statistically, against the Pats, as Watt did, but the end result for Aldon's team (you remember them), was much, much better.
Frankly, last night's game appeared to be one where the leadership of the defense passed, at least in part, from Justin to Aldon. Aldon is capable of contributing to the defense in many more ways than a DE can.
If DPOY is based solely on statistics, Watt may win it.
If its based on statistics and other things, intangibles, value to a team's defense overall, then some others may get consideration, including Aldon.
Either way, my point is that Aldon has proven to be THE RIGHT SELECTION in the 2011 draft for the Niners, irrespective of whether Watt was still available or not. That won't change if Watt wins some individual award at the end of the year.