:::OFFICiAL::: 2012 NFL SCOUTING COMBINE THREAD

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
DB Notes:
The Good:
-Josh Robinson, Central Florida, 5'10 199lbs, 4.33 40 was the best physical prospect.
-Claiborne and Kirpatrick did as expected
-Janoris Jenkins ran a 4.4 40
-Ron Brooks of LSU ran a 4.37 40, should be late round pick now, a guy that never started at LSU but may have been a gem playing behind some outstanding corners
-Stephen Gilmore had the 2nd best combine, checked in at 6 foot and ran a 4.44 40, pretty impressive
-Coty Sensabaugh, Clemson, checked in at 5'11, ran a 4.42 40, late bloomer, should have punched his draft ticket for a late rounder
-Dwight Bentley, Louisiana Laffayette, checked in at 5'10 and ran a 4.43 40. A zone corner.

The Bad:
-Cliff Harris killed his stock, 4.64 40.
-Micah Pellerin of Hampton, popular sleeper, ran a 4.61 40
-Another popular sleeper, Josh Norman, ran a 4.66 40
-Casey Hayward ran a 4.57 40, I'd actually say its slightly better then expected
-Alfonzo Denard checked in at 5'10, 204 lbs (a lot for a corner), and a 4.55 40.

I am still waiting to see Golden's results when he does his pro-day, but I would like to select a CB later in the draft, and the two guys I've had interest in the most (one more recently has grown on me) are Robert Golden and Ron Brooks. Brooks has football in his blood, and we could always use more speed in the backfield.

Golden strikes me as a very explosive player that, if developed, will be a starter or heavy contributor in the future. Cut down on his propensity to gamble, and you've got a technically sound DB who could do good things for a team.

Ron Brooks doe

btw I've been on that band wagon for a while now lol. He's physically strong, real fast, played well on the 2nd best defense in the country, and he's got a family history of football thanks to his dad. I seriously think he's going to be a good friggin player. He is a 4th rounder for me to be honest after the combine. Might be able to get him in the 5th though.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

DB Notes:
The Good:
-Josh Robinson, Central Florida, 5'10 199lbs, 4.33 40 was the best physical prospect.
-Claiborne and Kirpatrick did as expected
-Janoris Jenkins ran a 4.4 40
-Ron Brooks of LSU ran a 4.37 40, should be late round pick now, a guy that never started at LSU but may have been a gem playing behind some outstanding corners
-Stephen Gilmore had the 2nd best combine, checked in at 6 foot and ran a 4.44 40, pretty impressive
-Coty Sensabaugh, Clemson, checked in at 5'11, ran a 4.42 40, late bloomer, should have punched his draft ticket for a late rounder
-Dwight Bentley, Louisiana Laffayette, checked in at 5'10 and ran a 4.43 40. A zone corner.

The Bad:
-Cliff Harris killed his stock, 4.64 40.
-Micah Pellerin of Hampton, popular sleeper, ran a 4.61 40
-Another popular sleeper, Josh Norman, ran a 4.66 40
-Casey Hayward ran a 4.57 40, I'd actually say its slightly better then expected
-Alfonzo Denard checked in at 5'10, 204 lbs (a lot for a corner), and a 4.55 40.

I am still waiting to see Golden's results when he does his pro-day, but I would like to select a CB later in the draft, and the two guys I've had interest in the most (one more recently has grown on me) are Robert Golden and Ron Brooks. Brooks has football in his blood, and we could always use more speed in the backfield.

Golden strikes me as a very explosive player that, if developed, will be a starter or heavy contributor in the future. Cut down on his propensity to gamble, and you've got a technically sound DB who could do good things for a team.

Ron Brooks doe

btw I've been on that band wagon for a while now lol. He's physically strong, real fast, played well on the 2nd best defense in the country, and he's got a family history of football thanks to his dad. I seriously think he's going to be a good friggin player. He is a 4th rounder for me to be honest after the combine. Might be able to get him in the 5th though.

It's good that this draft is so deep with talent, a lot of players are going to get pushed down due to other needs of particular teams and I have to imagine we wind up with 1 or 2 terrific steals.

Dump for RB Notes (had to use site other then NFLs, so numbers may not be 100% accurate)

Top Performers
-Lamar Miller, Miami - checked in at 5'11, 212 lbs and then runa a 4.4 flat 40
-Ronnie Hillman - this guy was a stud in the MWC, checked in at 200lbs and then turned in a 4.45 40.
-LaMichael James - check in a lot heavier and stronger then people thought, then put in a 4.45 40.
-Isaiah Pead - turned a 4.47 40 to back up his strong senior bowl performance
-Bernard Pierce - 218lbs and ran a 4.49 40, pretty good
-Chris Rainey - At only 180 lbs he better have run a 4.45 40. Not a traditional RB, but can be used as a weapon
-David Wilson - 206 pounder with a 4.49 40
-Robert Turbin - I made fun of him for coming out, time to eat my words. 222lbs with a 4.50 40? Physical beast, but I still think he is an awful runner.
-Cyrus Gray was able to turn in a 4.47 40

The Bad
-FB Bradie Ewing checks in at 239 lbs and then only does 14 reps, lol
-Darrell Scott wanted to compete as a top power RB, but with a 4.73 40? Don't think so
-Marc Tyler wow, slowest RB? 4.76 40? Probably undrafted with that terrible speed.

Trent Richardson, Chris Polk, Jonas Gray didn't run. Richardson had no reason to run. But Polk really needed to run after a dismal senior bowl.

Overall, I'd say a lot of the combine performances were decent, but not impressive. Lamar Miller should have solidified a 1st round pick along with Trent Richardson. After that there looks like LaMichael James, Doug Martin, and Ronnie Hillman as 2nd-3rd rounders. After that its a pretty mixed bag, depending on the type of RB you want. You got Pead/Rainey for special teams/speed, and then Pierce/Wilson/Gray for a more downhill power runner.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Dump for RB Notes (had to use site other then NFLs, so numbers may not be 100% accurate)

Top Performers
-Lamar Miller, Miami - checked in at 5'11, 212 lbs and then runa a 4.4 flat 40
-Ronnie Hillman - this guy was a stud in the MWC, checked in at 200lbs and then turned in a 4.45 40.
-LaMichael James - check in a lot heavier and stronger then people thought, then put in a 4.45 40.
-Isaiah Pead - turned a 4.47 40 to back up his strong senior bowl performance
-Bernard Pierce - 218lbs and ran a 4.49 40, pretty good
-Chris Rainey - At only 180 lbs he better have run a 4.45 40. Not a traditional RB, but can be used as a weapon
-David Wilson - 206 pounder with a 4.49 40
-Robert Turbin - I made fun of him for coming out, time to eat my words. 222lbs with a 4.50 40? Physical beast, but I still think he is an awful runner.
-Cyrus Gray was able to turn in a 4.47 40

The Bad
-FB Bradie Ewing checks in at 239 lbs and then only does 14 reps, lol
-Darrell Scott wanted to compete as a top power RB, but with a 4.73 40? Don't think so
-Marc Tyler wow, slowest RB? 4.76 40? Probably undrafted with that terrible speed.

Trent Richardson, Chris Polk, Jonas Gray didn't run. Richardson had no reason to run. But Polk really needed to run after a dismal senior bowl.

Overall, I'd say a lot of the combine performances were decent, but not impressive. Lamar Miller should have solidified a 1st round pick along with Trent Richardson. After that there looks like LaMichael James, Doug Martin, and Ronnie Hillman as 2nd-3rd rounders. After that its a pretty mixed bag, depending on the type of RB you want. You got Pead/Rainey for special teams/speed, and then Pierce/Wilson/Gray for a more downhill power runner.

Polk ran like a 4.4 dude. http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012RB.php

Dump for DEs
-Bruce Irvin 4.5 40 at 245 lbs. Definately a candidate for OLB pass rushing menace.
-How about my boy Mercilus? Put on quite the performance. Comparable numbers to Nick Perry.
-Long arm winner goes to Jonathan Massaquoi. Only 6'2 but with 34' arms!!! He definately helped his stock with his combine
-Quinton Coples actually had a pretty sub-par performance
-Melvin Ingram and Cam Johnson were impressive
-Andre Branch's numbers are VERY similar to Aldon Smith's

DEs that can transition to a 3-4 based on the combine (just on weight/speed, I'm just listing them):
-Andre Branch
-Bruce Irvin
-Ronnell Lewis
-Shea McClellin
-Whitney Mercilus
-Nick Perry

^Other then ones above, the other DE's would be significant liability with their slow speed if asked to play 3-4.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Polk ran like a 4.4 dude. http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012RB.php

http://missourisportsmag.com/?p=54189

And that says it was a 4.57

You will see at the very top I warned I was not using NFL site's numbers...On the site I was using (Football's future) it had listed Polk as not running.

NFL:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/chris-polk?id=2533037

Walter football doesn't list official numbers.

Edit:
Willis, do you really think Polk is .01 40 time slower then LaMichael James?

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Polk ran like a 4.4 dude. http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012RB.php

http://missourisportsmag.com/?p=54189

And that says it was a 4.57

You will see at the very top I warned I was not using NFL site's numbers...On the site I was using (Football's future) it had listed Polk as not running.

NFL:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/chris-polk?id=2533037

Walter football doesn't list official numbers.

Edit:
Willis, do you really think Polk is .01 40 time slower then LaMichael James?

Wait what? I don't care what his time is I was just pointing out that he did actually run dude. I'm not on the draft Polk bandwagon if there is one, nor am I against him. I don't really care either way to be honest.

As far as the question what I think about the 40 time of LMJ goes, I think LMJ is faster than a 4.45. I don't trust the official numbers I like going by the hand times better. Most teams don't use the official times, they use the times their scouts hand time. But that doesn't mean I really think Polk is slow either.

edit: and if you look at the WRs it seems like Walter does use the official times. I don't know what's going on with their site as far as Polk's time goes or those other sites http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012WR.php . It seems like their RBs didn't get updated because they still have LMJ listed as a 4.37.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Dump for DEs
-Bruce Irvin 4.5 40 at 245 lbs. Definately a candidate for OLB pass rushing menace.
-How about my boy Mercilus? Put on quite the performance. Comparable numbers to Nick Perry.
-Long arm winner goes to Jonathan Massaquoi. Only 6'2 but with 34' arms!!! He definately helped his stock with his combine
-Quinton Coples actually had a pretty sub-par performance
-Melvin Ingram and Cam Johnson were impressive
-Andre Branch's numbers are VERY similar to Aldon Smith's

DEs that can transition to a 3-4 based on the combine (just on weight/speed, I'm just listing them):
-Andre Branch
-Bruce Irvin
-Ronnell Lewis
-Shea McClellin
-Whitney Mercilus
-Nick Perry

^Other then ones above, the other DE's would be significant liability with their slow speed if asked to play 3-4.

I was real excited about some of these DE/OLB hybrids but after the Brooks signing not so much. These guys are all 1st/2nd rounders, maybe a 3rd for McClellin, we aren't wasting that pick on a player we have to 2 starters lock in at for the next 5-6 years. Earliest pick we use on an OLB I think is a 4th, and that may be someone who is more of just a pass rushing specialist or something you know what I mean? I'd have to think our first few picks go maybe WR, OL, or CB.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Wait what? I don't care what his time is I was just pointing out that he did actually run dude. I'm not on the draft Polk bandwagon if there is one, nor am I against him. I don't really care either way to be honest.

As far as the question what I think about the 40 time of LMJ goes, I think LMJ is faster than a 4.45. I don't trust the official numbers I like going by the hand times better. Most teams don't use the official times, they use the times their scouts hand time. But that doesn't mean I really think Polk is slow either.

And once again Willis, please read the very first line in that post warning about accuracy. I was using another site which listed Polk as not running.

So what hand times are you going off of anyways?

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Dump for RB Notes (had to use site other then NFLs, so numbers may not be 100% accurate)

Top Performers
-Lamar Miller, Miami - checked in at 5'11, 212 lbs and then runa a 4.4 flat 40
-Ronnie Hillman - this guy was a stud in the MWC, checked in at 200lbs and then turned in a 4.45 40.
-LaMichael James - check in a lot heavier and stronger then people thought, then put in a 4.45 40.
-Isaiah Pead - turned a 4.47 40 to back up his strong senior bowl performance
-Bernard Pierce - 218lbs and ran a 4.49 40, pretty good
-Chris Rainey - At only 180 lbs he better have run a 4.45 40. Not a traditional RB, but can be used as a weapon
-David Wilson - 206 pounder with a 4.49 40
-Robert Turbin - I made fun of him for coming out, time to eat my words. 222lbs with a 4.50 40? Physical beast, but I still think he is an awful runner.
-Cyrus Gray was able to turn in a 4.47 40

The Bad
-FB Bradie Ewing checks in at 239 lbs and then only does 14 reps, lol
-Darrell Scott wanted to compete as a top power RB, but with a 4.73 40? Don't think so
-Marc Tyler wow, slowest RB? 4.76 40? Probably undrafted with that terrible speed.

Trent Richardson, Chris Polk, Jonas Gray didn't run. Richardson had no reason to run. But Polk really needed to run after a dismal senior bowl.

Overall, I'd say a lot of the combine performances were decent, but not impressive. Lamar Miller should have solidified a 1st round pick along with Trent Richardson. After that there looks like LaMichael James, Doug Martin, and Ronnie Hillman as 2nd-3rd rounders. After that its a pretty mixed bag, depending on the type of RB you want. You got Pead/Rainey for special teams/speed, and then Pierce/Wilson/Gray for a more downhill power runner.

-LaMichael James is a badass, this guy would be a great addition to the Niners.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Wait what? I don't care what his time is I was just pointing out that he did actually run dude. I'm not on the draft Polk bandwagon if there is one, nor am I against him. I don't really care either way to be honest.

As far as the question what I think about the 40 time of LMJ goes, I think LMJ is faster than a 4.45. I don't trust the official numbers I like going by the hand times better. Most teams don't use the official times, they use the times their scouts hand time. But that doesn't mean I really think Polk is slow either.

And once again Willis, please read the very first line in that post warning about accuracy. I was using another site which listed Polk as not running.

So what hand times are you going off of anyways?

What's your deal? The NFL net times for Polk and LMJ when they ran were like 4.47 and 4.37 for LMJ. That's obviously why I thought he was faster than 4.57. There are a lot of people that aren't a fan of the adjusted official times when they get posted later. I don't care either way. My personal feeling of LMJ is he's faster than a 4.45 though, same with a guy like Joe Adams being faster than a 4.55. You seem kind of like a dog with a bone about this, I don't really get why. All I did was post that Polk actually did run, it isn't my fault that your site had it wrong. I wasn't trying to be a dick about it or anything, I was just trying to point out that he did in fact run. Whether a 4.57 official time is beneficial or harmful for him, I don't really care either way dude. Seriously, what the hell bro? I thought we were cool

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
What's your deal? The NFL net times for Polk and LMJ when they ran were like 4.47 and 4.37 for LMJ. That's obviously why I thought he was faster than 4.57. There are a lot of people that aren't a fan of the adjusted official times when they get posted later. I don't care either way. My personal feeling of LMJ is he's faster than a 4.45 though, same with a guy like Joe Adams being faster than a 4.55. You seem kind of like a dog with a bone about this, I don't really get why. All I did was post that Polk actually did run, it isn't my fault that your site had it wrong. I wasn't trying to be a dick about it or anything, I was just trying to point out that he did in fact run. Whether a 4.57 official time is beneficial or harmful for him, I don't really care either way dude. Seriously, what the hell bro? I thought we were cool

I don't have a deal or problem or anything like that. I don't think I've said anything remotely negative towards you (I even said please). All I said was I gave a warning about inaccurate info, my NFL.com site is having trouble loading, I do not know why. But other sites do make mistakes and I warned about this. You replied about one such mistake and pointed to Walter Football, which I thought was still not using official numbers (apparently they are now? I don't really like their site).

You then said you trust hand timers and not the official times, I'm not aware of any site that has reliable hand times and asked where you would get this from.

I prefer to use NFL's official stats for their reliability since different numbers get reported, hence the very initial warning!

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
What's your deal? The NFL net times for Polk and LMJ when they ran were like 4.47 and 4.37 for LMJ. That's obviously why I thought he was faster than 4.57. There are a lot of people that aren't a fan of the adjusted official times when they get posted later. I don't care either way. My personal feeling of LMJ is he's faster than a 4.45 though, same with a guy like Joe Adams being faster than a 4.55. You seem kind of like a dog with a bone about this, I don't really get why. All I did was post that Polk actually did run, it isn't my fault that your site had it wrong. I wasn't trying to be a dick about it or anything, I was just trying to point out that he did in fact run. Whether a 4.57 official time is beneficial or harmful for him, I don't really care either way dude. Seriously, what the hell bro? I thought we were cool

I don't have a deal or problem or anything like that. I don't think I've said anything remotely negative towards you (I even said please). All I said was I gave a warning about inaccurate info, my NFL.com site is having trouble loading, I do not know why. But other sites do make mistakes and I warned about this. You replied about one such mistake and pointed to Walter Football, which I thought was still not using official numbers (apparently they are now? I don't really like their site).

You then said you trust hand timers and not the official times, I'm not aware of any site that has reliable hand times and asked where you would get this from.

I prefer to use NFL's official stats for their reliability since different numbers get reported, hence the very initial warning!

lol We're cool then dude! I just like to go by the times NFL net shows after the player runs. That's as much of a hand time as I've ever gotten. I remember reading on here a while back that the official times aren't really what teams use and they have their scouts time players, but I don't remember who said it. It sucks as fans all we have to go by are the official times. Some of the times don't really change my opinions on players like Kendall Wright or Joe Adams. We both know those guys play faster than that you know what I mean?

btw I don't like walter football much either, the other site I had been using was draftcountdown but I remember a lot of people on here dislike Scott Wright's rankings so I tried walter football. I'm not really sure what a good site for draft projections is. I know a lot of people use Great Blue North though.

Damn, I just did some research on 40 times and players currently in the NFL (posted in top 10 WR thread) in response to the hate for dropping Wright, Sanu and Jeffery.

Every single WR that was top 25 for yards run under a 4.6. The 4 worst 40s from the top 25 WRs last year were Brandon Marshall (but he is what, 6-4, 220+?, 4.57 speed), Antonio Brown (combine 4.57, then pro day did a 4.47), Steve Johnson (4.59, IMO this guy won't last but we will see), and Marques Colston (4.55, but I think he is 6'4, or at least 6'3). A lot of the top 25 WR's ran in the low 4.5s (9 guys).

I'm really against Kendall Wright and Sanu now. Those numbers are pretty shocking IMO.