very disappointing draft...

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by Travisty13:

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by cozz4:
aldon smith at #7 was a major reach...if hes the guy you want, they should have traded back a few spots and then taken him there...and chris culliver in round 3??? the guy got a 6th round grade!!! very disappointing

this has been posted multiple times already but here we go again.

The niners tried to trade back from 7

Trent Baalke said #49ers looked into trading up (or back) from No. 7, but ran into roadblocks that prevented deals.

The #49ers spoke with the Falcons, who ultimately chose to deal with Brown to ensure they got WR Julio Jones.

SOURCE

On Culliver, 2 of our very own draft gurus on this board have Culliver ranked pretty much here we got him. I think SI had him ranked as 3rd or 4th rounder as well but none of that really matters cuz its where the Niners had him rated. Plus we traded back for Culliver and picked up another 6th round pick.


Niners are gonna be the busiest team 2morrow with all the picks we have and there are still a lot of good players out there

Sorry bro, no disrespect, but WTH makes any zoner qualified to rank college prospects?? Especially over a Mike Mayock? Are they/were they ever scouts? On an NFL or College team?

Considering, OTC and MadDog put in just as much work on their boards at Mayock, they deserve that respect. They're not the only ones that had them in those spots. Just admit it, you believe everything the talking heads of "Kiper, Mayock, and McShay" say, and don't believe what the people who don't do this for the fame say about the kid.
Chris Culliver, South Carolina
CBSSports.com, Has him at 102
S.I. has him as a 3-4 Rd.

Again, no disrespect, but how many pro days did "OTC and MadDog" attend to see these guys up close and personal? How many texts or phone conversations did they have with other college coaches and scouts who have helped develop these prospects and have worked closely with them? How many pro-level HCs and GMs did they talk to and discuss these kids with to help mold an opinion from?

You know, I can't answer that. As much as I'd like to, I don't stalk OTC and MadDog, so I can't speak on what they do during their everyday lives. But what makes Kiper, McShay, Mayock any more qualified? Cause they have sweet hair, and talk into a camera?

I'm gonna just keep telling myself, Harbaugh, Vernon, Crabtree, Willis

Originally posted by Travisty13:

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by Travisty13:

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by cozz4:
aldon smith at #7 was a major reach...if hes the guy you want, they should have traded back a few spots and then taken him there...and chris culliver in round 3??? the guy got a 6th round grade!!! very disappointing

this has been posted multiple times already but here we go again.

The niners tried to trade back from 7

Trent Baalke said #49ers looked into trading up (or back) from No. 7, but ran into roadblocks that prevented deals.

The #49ers spoke with the Falcons, who ultimately chose to deal with Brown to ensure they got WR Julio Jones.

SOURCE

On Culliver, 2 of our very own draft gurus on this board have Culliver ranked pretty much here we got him. I think SI had him ranked as 3rd or 4th rounder as well but none of that really matters cuz its where the Niners had him rated. Plus we traded back for Culliver and picked up another 6th round pick.


Niners are gonna be the busiest team 2morrow with all the picks we have and there are still a lot of good players out there

Sorry bro, no disrespect, but WTH makes any zoner qualified to rank college prospects?? Especially over a Mike Mayock? Are they/were they ever scouts? On an NFL or College team?

Considering, OTC and MadDog put in just as much work on their boards at Mayock, they deserve that respect. They're not the only ones that had them in those spots. Just admit it, you believe everything the talking heads of "Kiper, Mayock, and McShay" say, and don't believe what the people who don't do this for the fame say about the kid.
Chris Culliver, South Carolina
CBSSports.com, Has him at 102
S.I. has him as a 3-4 Rd.

Again, no disrespect, but how many pro days did "OTC and MadDog" attend to see these guys up close and personal? How many texts or phone conversations did they have with other college coaches and scouts who have helped develop these prospects and have worked closely with them? How many pro-level HCs and GMs did they talk to and discuss these kids with to help mold an opinion from?

You know, I can't answer that. As much as I'd like to, I don't stalk OTC and MadDog, so I can't speak on what they do during their everyday lives. But what makes Kiper, McShay, Mayock any more qualified? Cause they have sweet hair, and talk into a camera?

No need for a smart-ass response. I'm being serious. I'm formulating my opinion based on a well-respected talent evaluator who is more qualified for all of the reasons I mentioned in above.

But if you agree with their opinion and their evaluation and you don't feel like it was a reach because of that, more power to you.

The biggest reason most niner fans will feel disapointed with this draft is because the damn Cardinals took Patrick Peterson, and made us reach for Aldon Smith.

With all the QB's being gobbled up so fast we had to trade up just for CK, which I'm not that upset about. More excited about that than anything.

Either way, best thing about this offseason was getting Harbaugh to turn things around, since the draft seems dissapointing.

Originally posted by hateroids84:
The biggest reason most niner fans will feel disapointed with this draft is because the damn Cardinals took Patrick Peterson, and made us reach for Aldon Smith.

With all the QB's being gobbled up so fast we had to trade up just for CK, which I'm not that upset about. More excited about that than anything.

Either way, best thing about this offseason was getting Harbaugh to turn things around, since the draft seems dissapointing.

True, but i think jim is doing it right. Got a beast of a young kid for passrusher a need for years hopefully solved, a qb with a big arm, good accuracy, and steve young like running! I'm down we might just have gotten 2 areas of need solved for the next few years time will tell. Couldn't be happier and screw the nfl i want football!

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by Travisty13:

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by Travisty13:

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by cozz4:
aldon smith at #7 was a major reach...if hes the guy you want, they should have traded back a few spots and then taken him there...and chris culliver in round 3??? the guy got a 6th round grade!!! very disappointing

this has been posted multiple times already but here we go again.

The niners tried to trade back from 7

Trent Baalke said #49ers looked into trading up (or back) from No. 7, but ran into roadblocks that prevented deals.

The #49ers spoke with the Falcons, who ultimately chose to deal with Brown to ensure they got WR Julio Jones.

SOURCE

On Culliver, 2 of our very own draft gurus on this board have Culliver ranked pretty much here we got him. I think SI had him ranked as 3rd or 4th rounder as well but none of that really matters cuz its where the Niners had him rated. Plus we traded back for Culliver and picked up another 6th round pick.


Niners are gonna be the busiest team 2morrow with all the picks we have and there are still a lot of good players out there

Sorry bro, no disrespect, but WTH makes any zoner qualified to rank college prospects?? Especially over a Mike Mayock? Are they/were they ever scouts? On an NFL or College team?

Considering, OTC and MadDog put in just as much work on their boards at Mayock, they deserve that respect. They're not the only ones that had them in those spots. Just admit it, you believe everything the talking heads of "Kiper, Mayock, and McShay" say, and don't believe what the people who don't do this for the fame say about the kid.
Chris Culliver, South Carolina
CBSSports.com, Has him at 102
S.I. has him as a 3-4 Rd.

Again, no disrespect, but how many pro days did "OTC and MadDog" attend to see these guys up close and personal? How many texts or phone conversations did they have with other college coaches and scouts who have helped develop these prospects and have worked closely with them? How many pro-level HCs and GMs did they talk to and discuss these kids with to help mold an opinion from?

You know, I can't answer that. As much as I'd like to, I don't stalk OTC and MadDog, so I can't speak on what they do during their everyday lives. But what makes Kiper, McShay, Mayock any more qualified? Cause they have sweet hair, and talk into a camera?

No need for a smart-ass response. I'm being serious. I'm formulating my opinion based on a well-respected talent evaluator who is more qualified for all of the reasons I mentioned in above.

But if you agree with their opinion and their evaluation and you don't feel like it was a reach because of that, more power to you.

I'm being serious too. I don't know what OTC or MadDog do in there lives. But considering the time they put into, and their past track record with picks and evaluations, they're just as good, if not better, then the "experts" on the tv. Plus I gave you 3 other, unbiased, reports from outside links that support OTC and MadDog's opinion on Culliver. And including Rick Gosselin, who's considered the most accurate mock draft out there, he had him as his #9 CB in the draft. Plus the Ravens (who are great at drafting) were thinking of him in the 4th Rd.Ravens looking at South Carolina CB

[ Edited by Travisty13 on Apr 30, 2011 at 00:09:08 ]

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by hateroids84:
The biggest reason most niner fans will feel disapointed with this draft is because the damn Cardinals took Patrick Peterson, and made us reach for Aldon Smith.

With all the QB's being gobbled up so fast we had to trade up just for CK, which I'm not that upset about. More excited about that than anything.

Either way, best thing about this offseason was getting Harbaugh to turn things around, since the draft seems dissapointing.

True, but i think jim is doing it right. Got a beast of a young kid for passrusher a need for years hopefully solved, a qb with a big arm, good accuracy, and steve young like running! I'm down we might just have gotten 2 areas of need solved for the next few years time will tell. Couldn't be happier and screw the nfl i want football!

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If Harbaugh had the ability to turn Andrew Luck into the #1 overall pick, i'm hoping he will develop something special with CK. I'm kind of surprised we didn't take Quinn over Smith, but in Harbaugh I trust.

My heart sank when Peterson was gobbled up though. Tough to get over...

Originally posted by hateroids84:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by hateroids84:
The biggest reason most niner fans will feel disapointed with this draft is because the damn Cardinals took Patrick Peterson, and made us reach for Aldon Smith.

With all the QB's being gobbled up so fast we had to trade up just for CK, which I'm not that upset about. More excited about that than anything.

Either way, best thing about this offseason was getting Harbaugh to turn things around, since the draft seems dissapointing.

True, but i think jim is doing it right. Got a beast of a young kid for passrusher a need for years hopefully solved, a qb with a big arm, good accuracy, and steve young like running! I'm down we might just have gotten 2 areas of need solved for the next few years time will tell. Couldn't be happier and screw the nfl i want football!

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If Harbaugh had the ability to turn Andrew Luck into the #1 overall pick, i'm hoping he will develop something special with CK. I'm kind of surprised we didn't take Quinn over Smith, but in Harbaugh I trust.

My heart sank when Peterson was gobbled up though. Tough to get over...

Cause Jim said he wanted a good person. But Quinn hasn't been making good choices with talking to a agent, and i think Smith taking in his talent and his mental makeup with being a good person off the field, and a guy that doesn't care he loves football and plays even if he's not fully healthy and isn't going to make a mistake like quinn that will hurt his chances to play! I rather have the guy who's like smith!

this draft aint over people stop overeactting and listiening to the analyst of espn and nfl network no one knows how they will do in the nfl untill they play a game in the nfl

We still have 8 picks to go... Admittedly, this draft is disappointing so far in the sense of many of us not getting who we wanted specifically, but we've got a long way to go before we call it a failure.

We could land 8 steals in a row for all we know.

Right now, I'd give the draft a B, B-minus at worst. Smith and Kaepernick are good players, but I question the Culliver pick because while he fills a need at FS, hardly anyone else in the draft world would've considered him the BPA there.

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by hateroids84:

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by hateroids84:
The biggest reason most niner fans will feel disapointed with this draft is because the damn Cardinals took Patrick Peterson, and made us reach for Aldon Smith.

With all the QB's being gobbled up so fast we had to trade up just for CK, which I'm not that upset about. More excited about that than anything.

Either way, best thing about this offseason was getting Harbaugh to turn things around, since the draft seems dissapointing.

True, but i think jim is doing it right. Got a beast of a young kid for passrusher a need for years hopefully solved, a qb with a big arm, good accuracy, and steve young like running! I'm down we might just have gotten 2 areas of need solved for the next few years time will tell. Couldn't be happier and screw the nfl i want football!

I'

If Harbaugh had the ability to turn Andrew Luck into the #1 overall pick, i'm hoping he will develop something special with CK. I'm kind of surprised we didn't take Quinn over Smith, but in Harbaugh I trust.

My heart sank when Peterson was gobbled up though. Tough to get over...

Cause Jim said he wanted a good person. But Quinn hasn't been making good choices with talking to a agent, and i think Smith taking in his talent and his mental makeup with being a good person off the field, and a guy that doesn't care he loves football and plays even if he's not fully healthy and isn't going to make a mistake like quinn that will hurt his chances to play! I rather have the guy who's like smith!

Not that it means much, but I counted more plays made by Aldon Smith in the highlight clips, then I saw with Quinn. Quinn's highlights mostly show an unblocked player chasing down the ball, or they show him cleaning up garbage/broken plays (which is very important, but we already have Manny Lawson, who does this exceptionally well).
In Aldon's highlights, he is actually beating the blocker to get to the quarterback in the pocket. He showed ability to both bull-rush and make moves around his blocker; and it's not like the 6 teams behind us thought of Quinn as a super-star either.

Thank God we addressed the pass rush, instead of scape-goating the DB's. Thank God we were able to move up and grab the QB we wanted, the QB who has more raw talent than any other QB in the draft. Harbaugh can now mold this "plutonium-grade raw material".
Culliver looks like the punt return man we have needed for a long time, with upside to compete at safety.

We got our quarterback, we got our pass rush. The only reason someone could ever be disappointed with the draft so far, is because...
A) They think Quinn, who was picked at #14, will be a far better 3-4 OLB than Aldon Smith.
and...
B) They think Harbaugh can't recognize quarterback talent and/or can't develop it.

Both of those ideas, are enormous reaches.
We have done EXACTLY what we needed to do, and I can't be any more excited about it. We've obtained arguably the best raw athletes at their respective positions in the draft so far at 3-4 OLB, QB, and FS.

I love coming on here after draft picks to see what the "genius" element of our fans think of the picks.

If I get this right, picking someone at 11 would be ok - but 7 was a reach.

And we should have taken the trade offer that went to the team that picked before us?

We were wrong to pick Kaepernick ahead of Dalton - but Dalton was picked before our pick?

Mayock is the one true god - and his assessment of every player goes before everyone else - and is right on every occassion. Despite the fact he referred to him as a CB, when he has been a Safety.

(I like Mayock - but no one is right on every draft prospect.)

Our draft was awful - a C at best?


WHAT A LOAD OF ****!

I don't know how our picks will work out. I'd say it's safe to say no one does. Some players we didn't pick will be better than ones we did pick - but if you're not comfortable with that you should stop watching football now. (Which the NFL owners seem to want us to do anyway.)

I like what I have read about our picks so far. Especially Smith getting 11.5 sacks in his only full year, and coming back to help his team only 3 weeks after breaking a bone in his leg. (Also a bone break injury is far less concerning than joint/ligament injuries. And no offence to Quinn, but far less concerning than a brain tumor. I hope he does well too, but seeing as he went to the Rams - not too well.)

The draft is obviously important, but it takes a long time to truly evaluate. Some layers not selected in 1st 3 rounds will still make an impact this year. Some players selected will not become impact players for a year or 2 - or 3 maybe.

Picks made in last 2 years are yet to reach a stage where they can be evaluated - nevermind players picked in last day and a half.

I could go on, but I think other more reasoned fans have already covered most points I would bring up.

BUT THE MAIN THING IS THE SUCCESS OF THESE DRAFT PICKS WILL BE DETERMINED BY OUR COACHING. THEY ALL HAVE THE CHANCE TO BE VERY GOOD PLAYERS.

Originally posted by cozz4:
smith would have went to dallas???? no chance dallas was looking at smith...they have a pass rusher...his name is DEMARCUS WARE!!!!!

Ah, this is why they drafted Bruce Carter in the 2nd round ?

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Nalo9er:

Originally posted by cozz4:
smith would have went to dallas???? no chance dallas was looking at smith...they have a pass rusher...his name is DEMARCUS WARE!!!!!

Washington took Kerrigan and they have Orakpo!

Detroit took Fairley and they have Suh!

I'm not sure Washington is an example I would EVER use to support my position in a draft argument. Especially since I think Kerrigan is a terrible pick for them. Now they have two players basically the same: pass rushers that can play from a couple of different positions, but can't drop back in coverage.

That being said, it's not that having Ware would keep them from picking another pass rusher, it's just that Dallas had other bigger needs. They were set on OL, and that's what they got. CB would have been the next need. Dallas would not have taken Smith, but there is a chance Washington could have, or the Texans.

Good point. Washington isn't da best example for a draft argument. But I like the Kerrigan pick. Suppose they're going to run more 4-3 looks this season with Orakpo and Kerrigan at end. With all the holes on that team, that could at least make one area potentially elite.

And I think Dallas was probably going with Tyron either way too but you never know. They're next pick was Bruce Carter so we know they were looking at OLB as well

Like every fan, I thought WTH, when we picked up Aldon Smith. I think all fans were so fixiated with the media advices and our favorites that when our love crushes were not selected by the niners, many felt like they got jilted. We all felt that it was more than a strong possibility that VM and PP was going to gone and we knew that the damn cards were looing at the same players. So we fixated on the so called next tier of players PA and Quinn and Gabbert. Well obviously PA wasn't as good as we thought cause many teams passed on him, including the cowboys. Quinn was also passed up. Gabbert? Obviouly JH wasn't enamoured with him-cause he don't got the QB DNA.

Then we learn that Baalke did try to trade but no takers, either up or down. So he made the pick, it wasn't cause they panicked, they went thru the progressions and knew they wanted Smith, no questions about it, how do I know? Cause they made the pick with 4 minutes and 13 seconds left. If they had doubts they would have used up more time.