How much would you give up for Andrew Luck in 2012?

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
my virginity

2 1st & a 3 in a future draft

Originally posted by Multibomber:
This is supposing that Harbaugh thinks that Luck is an absolute cant miss 10yr starter. If a potential All Pro QB is the most valuable think of the face of the football earth, whats the most we'd be willing to give up for him?

I'd give three 1st round picks.

Before anything, we would have to see how this draft and next season play out. We need to see what are needs will be in 2012.

Then, we have to see what happens with Luck over the next season. If he has a good year and really enjoys college life, he might decide to return to Stanford again. After all, he is not going to complete his college career until 2013.

And last, we would have to know what picks we have in the 2012 draft. We might not have the picks that would enable us to move up---or, the God of Football forbid, we might not have to trade up.

I guess that we should wait a little while before we answer the question, or even ask the question.

My right testicle

Originally posted by Eli_23:
My right testicle

BEar n mind we need to find a taker for these kind offers

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by midrdan:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
There are too may variables, unless the Niners plan on tanking the entire season and "securing" the #1 pick next year. Why would another team trade the rights to Luck if they need a franchise QB?

This. The only scenario I can see where the worst team next year doesn't need a franchise QB is if a team's star QB gets injured or the team used a high first rounder this year to draft Newton or Gabbert. Every year a team comes out of nowhere to absolutely tank and it usually has to do with them not having a franchise QB - see Carolina 2010 - so odds are we will never be in a position to acquire Luck unless we happen to be that team in 2011.

Buffalo or Carolina could easily have the #1 pick next year. I look at the league and see the teams I think have a chance to be really bad in 2011...and most already have some kind of QB project going:

Denver - Tebow
Cleveland - McCoy
Detroit - Stafford

I also don't know if the Rams are going to relapse or not...it's possible.

However, there are other teams that will probably suck that do not have quarterbacks:

Carolina
Buffalo
Arizona
Tennessee
Washington
Seattle
Oakland

I expect TEN, WAS, and SEA to address their long-term QB issues this draft or offseason (e.g. Kolb). Buffalo is either going to take Cam Newton or ride out Fitzgerald. Who knows what Carolina is going to do -- I would bet on Gabbert after his Pro Day.

If you're looking at futures odds, Carolina and Arizona are strong candidates to have the #1 pick in 2012:

CAR 60/1 to win NFC
AZ is 50/1 to win the NFC
BUF is 50/1 to win AFC
DEN is 50/1 to win AFC
CLE is 40/1 to win AFC
CIN is 40/1 to win AFC
OAK is 40/1 to win AFC

To note, the Niners are 20/1 to win the NFC, 8th best in the conference. However, please note that there is a huge drop-off in odds from 7th (NYG at 8/1) to 8th (SF 20/1). So basically the bookies think (at this early point) that there are 7 contenders in the NFC. The AFC is even more dramatic, with the 6th best team (BAL) at 6/1 and the 7th best team (KC) at 15/1.

If I were a betting man, I would wager that Arizona will have the worst record next year. As a result, Luck will probably be their 2012 opening day starter.

Thats my worst nightmare. I think Luck is going to be a special player in the league. Thankfully I think AZ will go QB this year. Whis doesn't want to, but the fan base will expect it. Especially with this lockout business going on.

I think 3 1's does it, even for a team in need of a QB. Looking at 3 1's in trade for your singular when you are likely in need of a LOT considering your record is huge.

I Would be happy spending a lot to move up for Luck or Barkley next year if we don't acquire some decent talent this year. I would plan for it actually. I don't see a franchise guy this year, and thats what runs this league. The rules make it so. Why not accumulate picks for next year while not crippling the team this?

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
My right testicle

BEar n mind we need to find a taker for these kind offers

I'd give up Eli's left testicle, too.

Losing every game next season. Including the preseason games.

Originally posted by 49ersGiantspride:

Originally posted by WildBill:
Just because Stanford lost some starters, I highly doubt JH left the cubbarbs bare. If Stanford goes 8-3, reaches a bowl game and Luck has good numbers. It will only solidify his position, because he had to deal with loss of starters and change of coach-which is really not that much of a change since the HC was their OC.

Especially if he meets the 26-28-60 criteria. His father (Oliver Luck) is smart, he saw the lockout coming and whether his son comes out this year or next won't make a diff if there is a salary cap on rooks. Plus by going back to college he will get more playing time vs a lockout/strike/rookie year.

he lost 3 lineman, in case you didn't notice Andrew had the best protection last year. How do you know the new recievers will be as good as the ones last year? Locker was thought to be the #1 pick last year had he entered but he stayed and because the players he was surrounded with his numbers went down so did his stock. I still think Locker is good he just a bad cast, Luck has talent but the rest of his team might not.

Think about it how many other names in the past 2 years have you heard from Stanford besides Andrew Luck and Toby Gerhart? not many. The only way Luck can outdo himself is by completing every throw he makes and not throwing INT's. That's not gonna happen, he's had as good a season as anyone could ask for.

He'll still be good but his draft stock will drop. And next year there's other good QB's entering the draft theres no guarantee he'll either be the first taken or even the top 10.

Good personnel people will realize if his problems are due to others surrounding him and won't hold it against him or him. Look at it this way, if he is as good as people think or say he is, he won't do as bad as Locker. Manning is a rare breed, but despite all the changes the colts make, he makes everyone else better or look better. I never thought Locker was that good in college in 2009-not to say he won't be good with the right person. Right now he hasn't shown anything in the all star or combines.

You are right in that neither you or I will know if the replacements will be worse or better or stay the same. If he crashes badly like Locker then we will know it was Harbaugh, the system and players and not Luck. I think while Stanford mightnot do as good as a team they will still go at least 8-3 and his numbers will be more than decent enough to be a top 3 pick. Plus the time playing instead of jumping and sitting or being thrown to the wolves in a year where there is problems with the CBA, will onlly make him grow mentally and physically.

Originally posted by Eli_23:
My right testicle

arent you the guy who gave up his left testicle for niners taking alex smith in 2005?

Then Why didn't the FO trade both of our 1st rounders in 2010 for Sam Bradford....?

We might not have to give anything depending on who's our starting QB this year. lmao

2 first rounders. Next years draft s looking nice though even without Luck. Richardson from bama, James from Oregon, and barkley all look like they are gonna be top notch.

I'd suffer thru a 1-15 season for him. Definetily not rooting for it to happen, but if it does and we land Luck I'm not going be crying.

The odds of landing him thru a trade is slim to nil. You don't end up with the 1st pick in the draft without your team quitting. Even Alex Smith and his 1 touchdown season was still good enough to pull off 2 meaningless victories at the end of the year. Point being. Don't expect Carolina and Newton to get the 1st pick. It'll be Arizona, Denver, Cleveland or Buffalo. A team that didn't address the quarterback situation and a team that gave up on the season in week 8.

Only way a Luck trade happens is if Luck himself tells that organization to f*ck off because he doesn't want to go there.

Originally posted by highway49:
Then Why didn't the FO trade both of our 1st rounders in 2010 for Sam Bradford....?

I figured this was the plan when we traded our 2nd rounder to Carolina for their first. Kind of just assumed his injuries scared us off, and St. Louis decided he was their guy pretty early on and didn't really entertain many trade offers (at least not down to 13 and 17 or wherever we were).