How do you mock?

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

Any, all, or in between! I haven't done one but as long as you make it clear what you are doing I don't see a problem.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

Any, all, or in between! I haven't done one but as long as you make it clear what you are doing I don't see a problem.

Not exactly relevant then. The point is to see whether people tend to use their own thoughts/preferences when making mocks, or if they actually try and pick who they think the team they are drafting for will actually pick.

This is how I think they do it, outside of the top 10 picks:

[1] list the needs of each team by position, from greatest need to least

[2] make graded list of availble players by position

[3] then just start going down the list, matching the current pick's highest need with the best player available at that position

You can do this for going pick by pick, round by round, until all the draft picks are selected... I think this is how Big Hair does it...

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

The bolded. It's easy to get caught up in one's personal preferences. I generally try to narrow down the list of players that I feel the 49ers would consider at those points -- based on the various factors mentioned -- and mock off of that.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

The bolded. It's easy to get caught up in one's personal preferences. I generally try to narrow down the list of players that I feel the 49ers would consider at those points -- based on the various factors mentioned -- and mock off of that.

There's also a little reading between the lines. For instance, one could tell Singletary would love offensive linemen in the first round last year because he spoke so often about "smash-mouth" football.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

Any, all, or in between! I haven't done one but as long as you make it clear what you are doing I don't see a problem.

Not exactly relevant then. The point is to see whether people tend to use their own thoughts/preferences when making mocks, or if they actually try and pick who they think the team they are drafting for will actually pick.

I understood your post and my point is/was the mocks that make the most sense state how they are created--preference or seer. I do not presume to guess what other teams will do, nor do I post mocks--out of choice, but I enjoy reading many out of interest. If you believe that only people who post mocks might understand how they are created, you are wrong.

Typically I look at the highest rated player at a pressing need for the team and see it there's a fit. If it's a fit thats all well and fine, if not I'll let it slide.

However, if the BPA is significantly better than a player the team may "need" that I go with BPA.

I think where teams in real life get in trouble is when they draft for a need and reach to far.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

Any, all, or in between! I haven't done one but as long as you make it clear what you are doing I don't see a problem.

Not exactly relevant then. The point is to see whether people tend to use their own thoughts/preferences when making mocks, or if they actually try and pick who they think the team they are drafting for will actually pick.

I understood your post and my point is/was the mocks that make the most sense state how they are created--preference or seer. I do not presume to guess what other teams will do, nor do I post mocks--out of choice, but I enjoy reading many out of interest. If you believe that only people who post mocks might understand how they are created, you are wrong.

It's not a question of understanding, it's a question of tactic. I'm obviously fully aware what the options are and that different people use different methods, or some combination of both.

My question, for those on the board who do mocks, especially those that take them somewhat seriously, is which strategy to they employ. Would they rather put together the "best" mock for a team, as they see it, or do they try and put together the most "accurate" mock, by trying to predict what the team will do.

I'm wondering what most people focus on personally.

If you don't do mocks, you don't have a voice on this particular sentiment, because you've never made that choice.

No offense, but it's like asking someone who has never danced if they prefer to do the Tango or the Foxtrot. If you don't dance you can't answer that question.

PS - I realize, re-reading the title, that you might have thought I was asking "how" to mock, as if I was unsure, not just asking people their preference and personal choice of what they focus on as criteria, just out of curiosity.

As such, your answer would have been helpful. I didn't mean to be rude, but I'm a pretty experienced draft/mock guy, so it didn't even occur to me that someone might think I'd be asking "how" in that regard.

I was asking about personal preferences, so the fact that you hadn't done one meant you answer didn't apply in that specific manner.

Teams like the patriots and steelers take guys who might be backups for a year or two at the end of the first round usually because they might be very highly rated players on their board whereas teams who pick higher in the first round are easier to predict because they have some glaring holes where a player of need and the right value might be available for them there.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

Any, all, or in between! I haven't done one but as long as you make it clear what you are doing I don't see a problem.

Not exactly relevant then. The point is to see whether people tend to use their own thoughts/preferences when making mocks, or if they actually try and pick who they think the team they are drafting for will actually pick.

I understood your post and my point is/was the mocks that make the most sense state how they are created--preference or seer. I do not presume to guess what other teams will do, nor do I post mocks--out of choice, but I enjoy reading many out of interest. If you believe that only people who post mocks might understand how they are created, you are wrong.

It's not a question of understanding, it's a question of tactic. I'm obviously fully aware what the options are and that different people use different methods, or some combination of both.

My question, for those on the board who do mocks, especially those that take them somewhat seriously, is which strategy to they employ. Would they rather put together the "best" mock for a team, as they see it, or do they try and put together the most "accurate" mock, by trying to predict what the team will do.

I'm wondering what most people focus on personally.

If you don't do mocks, you don't have a voice on this particular sentiment, because you've never made that choice.

No offense, but it's like asking someone who has never danced if they prefer to do the Tango or the Foxtrot. If you don't dance you can't answer that question.

PS - I realize, re-reading the title, that you might have thought I was asking "how" to mock, as if I was unsure, not just asking people their preference and personal choice of what they focus on as criteria, just out of curiosity.

As such, your answer would have been helpful. I didn't mean to be rude, but I'm a pretty experienced draft/mock guy, so it didn't even occur to me that someone might think I'd be asking "how" in that regard.

I was asking about personal preferences, so the fact that you hadn't done one meant you answer didn't apply in that specific manner.

No offense taken, but I do have preferences as to which mocks I care to read versus those that are less clear as to intent. My preference is toward those mocks that explain why a team would make a particular chose, given their management and needs. I learn a great deal from those mocks. Mocks that merely splash a bunch of players on the page are fun, but not instructive.

I had not seen your mocks, or didn't recall them, so I apologize if my post offended.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

Any, all, or in between! I haven't done one but as long as you make it clear what you are doing I don't see a problem.

Not exactly relevant then. The point is to see whether people tend to use their own thoughts/preferences when making mocks, or if they actually try and pick who they think the team they are drafting for will actually pick.

I understood your post and my point is/was the mocks that make the most sense state how they are created--preference or seer. I do not presume to guess what other teams will do, nor do I post mocks--out of choice, but I enjoy reading many out of interest. If you believe that only people who post mocks might understand how they are created, you are wrong.

It's not a question of understanding, it's a question of tactic. I'm obviously fully aware what the options are and that different people use different methods, or some combination of both.

My question, for those on the board who do mocks, especially those that take them somewhat seriously, is which strategy to they employ. Would they rather put together the "best" mock for a team, as they see it, or do they try and put together the most "accurate" mock, by trying to predict what the team will do.

I'm wondering what most people focus on personally.

If you don't do mocks, you don't have a voice on this particular sentiment, because you've never made that choice.

No offense, but it's like asking someone who has never danced if they prefer to do the Tango or the Foxtrot. If you don't dance you can't answer that question.

PS - I realize, re-reading the title, that you might have thought I was asking "how" to mock, as if I was unsure, not just asking people their preference and personal choice of what they focus on as criteria, just out of curiosity.

As such, your answer would have been helpful. I didn't mean to be rude, but I'm a pretty experienced draft/mock guy, so it didn't even occur to me that someone might think I'd be asking "how" in that regard.

I was asking about personal preferences, so the fact that you hadn't done one meant you answer didn't apply in that specific manner.

No offense taken, but I do have preferences as to which mocks I care to read versus those that are less clear as to intent. My preference is toward those mocks that explain why a team would make a particular chose, given their management and needs. I learn a great deal from those mocks. Mocks that merely splash a bunch of players on the page are fun, but not instructive.

I had not seen your mocks, or didn't recall them, so I apologize if my post offended.

No worries. You were just trying to help. I worded the title ambiguously.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

Only way to do it

Needs
Best Player Available
Scheme

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
When making a pick for a mock draft, whether it's for the Niners, doing a "complete" mock of a single or multiple rounds, or picking for another team in a group mock:

Do you pick the player YOU think best fits the needs of the team and/or is the BPA, or do you pick the player you think the TEAM, based on past preferences, tendencies, and draft choices seems most likely to pick?

Only way to do it

So in a mock, you're taking Gabbert and Newton long before Ponder?