SWAGG Filled Rankings: Post Combine

Originally posted by stonecold590:
Man you must really love Stanzi

I see a more mobile Tommy Brady. I know that sounds extreme, but i see a young Tommy in him.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like Ponder too, and if you want to put him at 1 fine. He's not the best prospect in this draft, but OK. Mallet on the other hand is trash. I was outraged when I watched him play and would hear announcers talking him up. He's not a franchise QB, and in 3 years he won't be with the team that drafts him. My $.05

mallett is the most accurate QB in this draft class...he makes some stupid decisions, he has got some character issues and is relatively immobile. but he still is very accurate and i mean VERY accurate.

Ya he has a world class arm. An arm that doesn't come around but every 10 years. His immobility i believe is a tad exaggerated. No worse than Brady, Palmer, Peyton types.

I'm not worried about his character at all. I loved his leadership amongst his peers at the combine.

but the mentioned guys have much better pass protection.

i thought that mallett had a bad interview...

He doesn't need world class pass protection. How many Razorbacks you see comin out in the draft?

The media was tryin to get a rise out of him once he said he didn't wanna talk to them (the media) about the drug allegations. In reality he did well in team interviews according to multiple sources.

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:


Ponder #1, Stanzi #2 and Mallett #3

Mallett is a very different type of player from Ponder and Stanzi. If he had similar type of players ranked near each other that's one thing...to each is own but to have guys completely different in their skill sets right next to each other above really talented other positions is just someone pulling names out of a hat.

Is Joe Montana of similar skill set to Peyton Manning? No.
Both are highly accurate, great leaders and very intelligent and hard working.

Once again...Mallett does not fit.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:


Ponder #1, Stanzi #2 and Mallett #3

Mallett is a very different type of player from Ponder and Stanzi. If he had similar type of players ranked near each other that's one thing...to each is own but to have guys completely different in their skill sets right next to each other above really talented other positions is just someone pulling names out of a hat.

Is Joe Montana of similar skill set to Peyton Manning? No.

Both are highly accurate, great leaders and very intelligent and hard working.

Once again...Mallett does not fit.


I don't get your argument. So would Mike Vick not go in the top 3 of a qb class that had Philip Rivers and Eli Manning?

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like Ponder too, and if you want to put him at 1 fine. He's not the best prospect in this draft, but OK. Mallet on the other hand is trash. I was outraged when I watched him play and would hear announcers talking him up. He's not a franchise QB, and in 3 years he won't be with the team that drafts him. My $.05

mallett is the most accurate QB in this draft class...he makes some stupid decisions, he has got some character issues and is relatively immobile. but he still is very accurate and i mean VERY accurate.

Ya he has a world class arm. An arm that doesn't come around but every 10 years. His immobility i believe is a tad exaggerated. No worse than Brady, Palmer, Peyton types.

I'm not worried about his character at all. I loved his leadership amongst his peers at the combine.

but the mentioned guys have much better pass protection.

i thought that mallett had a bad interview...

He doesn't need world class pass protection. How many Razorbacks you see comin out in the draft?

The media was tryin to get a rise out of him once he said he didn't wanna talk to them (the media) about the drug allegations. In reality he did well in team interviews according to multiple sources.

after pass protection had broken down, mallett seemed to be lost more often than not.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like Ponder too, and if you want to put him at 1 fine. He's not the best prospect in this draft, but OK. Mallet on the other hand is trash. I was outraged when I watched him play and would hear announcers talking him up. He's not a franchise QB, and in 3 years he won't be with the team that drafts him. My $.05

mallett is the most accurate QB in this draft class...he makes some stupid decisions, he has got some character issues and is relatively immobile. but he still is very accurate and i mean VERY accurate.

Ya he has a world class arm. An arm that doesn't come around but every 10 years. His immobility i believe is a tad exaggerated. No worse than Brady, Palmer, Peyton types.

I'm not worried about his character at all. I loved his leadership amongst his peers at the combine.

but the mentioned guys have much better pass protection.

i thought that mallett had a bad interview...

He doesn't need world class pass protection. How many Razorbacks you see comin out in the draft?

The media was tryin to get a rise out of him once he said he didn't wanna talk to them (the media) about the drug allegations. In reality he did well in team interviews according to multiple sources.

after pass protection had broken down, mallett seemed to be lost more often than not.

Ok, but that can be coached up...

Nice job SWAGG, I like it. A few disagreements but overall I can dig it.

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Ok, but that can be coached up...

yeah, but some issues are easy to coach, others arent.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Ok, but that can be coached up...

yeah, but some issues are easy to coach, others arent.

I feel like we both like Mallett but for different reasons? And that's ok. I think.

i am still very impressed by his accuracy in general and the clearly visible precision at the bowl in particular.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like Ponder too, and if you want to put him at 1 fine. He's not the best prospect in this draft, but OK. Mallet on the other hand is trash. I was outraged when I watched him play and would hear announcers talking him up. He's not a franchise QB, and in 3 years he won't be with the team that drafts him. My $.05

mallett is the most accurate QB in this draft class...he makes some stupid decisions, he has got some character issues and is relatively immobile. but he still is very accurate and i mean VERY accurate.

when you said accurate, did you mean innacurate? and when you said reletively immobile, did you mean the most immobile QB you've ever seen? a

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like Ponder too, and if you want to put him at 1 fine. He's not the best prospect in this draft, but OK. Mallet on the other hand is trash. I was outraged when I watched him play and would hear announcers talking him up. He's not a franchise QB, and in 3 years he won't be with the team that drafts him. My $.05

mallett is the most accurate QB in this draft class...he makes some stupid decisions, he has got some character issues and is relatively immobile. but he still is very accurate and i mean VERY accurate.

Ya he has a world class arm. An arm that doesn't come around but every 10 years. His immobility i believe is a tad exaggerated. No worse than Brady, Palmer, Peyton types.

I'm not worried about his character at all. I loved his leadership amongst his peers at the combine.

but the mentioned guys have much better pass protection.

i thought that mallett had a bad interview...

He doesn't need world class pass protection. How many Razorbacks you see comin out in the draft?

The media was tryin to get a rise out of him once he said he didn't wanna talk to them (the media) about the drug allegations. In reality he did well in team interviews according to multiple sources.

after pass protection had broken down, mallett seemed to be lost more often than not.

Ok, but that can be coached up...

So let me answer your first question. I don't like him for several reasons.

1) His immobility is disgusting. Nothing compared to Manning. Manning and Brady don't run, but are extremely mobile within the pocket. Manning dances constantly, and Brady has tremendous footwork. This guy has the footwork of Andrew Bynum.

2) I think his leadership ability sucks. I see him in games and the way he carries himself and it rubs me the wrong way.

3) If you can't avoid pressure, and you can't move around in the pocket, you damn well better be accurate on the run. His accuracy on the move is horrendous.

As for "teaching" a guy what to do when a play breaks down, I disagree 10000%. You can teach plays, you can teach technique, but you can't teach something like that. Some guys have it (see Locker, Jake; Ben, Big; Favre, Brett; and of course Young; Steve), others don't. He is a big arm guy. Much like Russel. Curious, how did you feel about JeMarcus coming out of LSU?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
TE's ahead of Cam Newton...


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sorry, disagree. Newton=Overrated. Same with Gabbert.

and good job SWAG, again I agree.

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like Ponder too, and if you want to put him at 1 fine. He's not the best prospect in this draft, but OK. Mallet on the other hand is trash. I was outraged when I watched him play and would hear announcers talking him up. He's not a franchise QB, and in 3 years he won't be with the team that drafts him. My $.05

mallett is the most accurate QB in this draft class...he makes some stupid decisions, he has got some character issues and is relatively immobile. but he still is very accurate and i mean VERY accurate.

Ya he has a world class arm. An arm that doesn't come around but every 10 years. His immobility i believe is a tad exaggerated. No worse than Brady, Palmer, Peyton types.

I'm not worried about his character at all. I loved his leadership amongst his peers at the combine.

but the mentioned guys have much better pass protection.

i thought that mallett had a bad interview...

He doesn't need world class pass protection. How many Razorbacks you see comin out in the draft?

The media was tryin to get a rise out of him once he said he didn't wanna talk to them (the media) about the drug allegations. In reality he did well in team interviews according to multiple sources.

after pass protection had broken down, mallett seemed to be lost more often than not.

Ok, but that can be coached up...

So let me answer your first question. I don't like him for several reasons.

1) His immobility is disgusting. Nothing compared to Manning. Manning and Brady don't run, but are extremely mobile within the pocket. Manning dances constantly, and Brady has tremendous footwork. This guy has the footwork of Andrew Bynum.

2) I think his leadership ability sucks. I see him in games and the way he carries himself and it rubs me the wrong way.

3) If you can't avoid pressure, and you can't move around in the pocket, you damn well better be accurate on the run. His accuracy on the move is horrendous.

As for "teaching" a guy what to do when a play breaks down, I disagree 10000%. You can teach plays, you can teach technique, but you can't teach something like that. Some guys have it (see Locker, Jake; Ben, Big; Favre, Brett; and of course Young; Steve), others don't. He is a big arm guy. Much like Russel. Curious, how did you feel about JeMarcus coming out of LSU?

Let me just prove you wrong with all of your immobile talk and inability to throw accurately on the move talk. Here's a video. Here are times in the video where he proves you wrong. Mallett video

-1:22 mark Mallett has a play-action rollout. The back is covered. He makes an incredible throw to the back of the endzone while on the run.

-2:33 mark Mallett has a ton of pressure on him, pocket breaks down and he weaves through the traffic for a TD run.

-2:42 mark Mallett has a 3 man rush, see a large hole to possibly take off and run. He runs up in the pocket, tucks the ball, keeps his eyes down field, pulls up just as he's about to get nailed and drills a bullet to his wr for a td.

-2:53 mark Mallett play action rolling right a defender comes free, Mallett back pedals, throws off his back foot for a td strike.

-4:12 mark Mallett lines up in shotgun and the pocket gets destroyed immediately by the gators front line. Mallett steps up in the pocket, hop steps to avoid the guy going at him from the back/side and fires a strike deep down field.

-4:28 mark Mallett play action gets busted up because the right sides pressure is too much. Mallett rolls out with a defender grabbing him, escapes the defender, throws off 1 foot and hits his wr in the back of the endzone.

Now i told you you were wrong, right? It's ok. We'll get through this together. I won't even ask for you to retract your statements. I know you were wrong. Heck, maybe not even wrong. Just not right. You were probably thinking about some other qb. You got them mixed up. I get it. It happens. Let's move on because the tape don't lie.

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like Ponder too, and if you want to put him at 1 fine. He's not the best prospect in this draft, but OK. Mallet on the other hand is trash. I was outraged when I watched him play and would hear announcers talking him up. He's not a franchise QB, and in 3 years he won't be with the team that drafts him. My $.05

mallett is the most accurate QB in this draft class...he makes some stupid decisions, he has got some character issues and is relatively immobile. but he still is very accurate and i mean VERY accurate.

Ya he has a world class arm. An arm that doesn't come around but every 10 years. His immobility i believe is a tad exaggerated. No worse than Brady, Palmer, Peyton types.

I'm not worried about his character at all. I loved his leadership amongst his peers at the combine.

but the mentioned guys have much better pass protection.

i thought that mallett had a bad interview...

He doesn't need world class pass protection. How many Razorbacks you see comin out in the draft?

The media was tryin to get a rise out of him once he said he didn't wanna talk to them (the media) about the drug allegations. In reality he did well in team interviews according to multiple sources.

after pass protection had broken down, mallett seemed to be lost more often than not.

Ok, but that can be coached up...

So let me answer your first question. I don't like him for several reasons.

1) His immobility is disgusting. Nothing compared to Manning. Manning and Brady don't run, but are extremely mobile within the pocket. Manning dances constantly, and Brady has tremendous footwork. This guy has the footwork of Andrew Bynum.

2) I think his leadership ability sucks. I see him in games and the way he carries himself and it rubs me the wrong way.

3) If you can't avoid pressure, and you can't move around in the pocket, you damn well better be accurate on the run. His accuracy on the move is horrendous.

As for "teaching" a guy what to do when a play breaks down, I disagree 10000%. You can teach plays, you can teach technique, but you can't teach something like that. Some guys have it (see Locker, Jake; Ben, Big; Favre, Brett; and of course Young; Steve), others don't. He is a big arm guy. Much like Russel. Curious, how did you feel about JeMarcus coming out of LSU?

Let me just prove you wrong with all of your immobile talk and inability to throw accurately on the move talk. Here's a video. Here are times in the video where he proves you wrong. Mallett video

-1:22 mark Mallett has a play-action rollout. The back is covered. He makes an incredible throw to the back of the endzone while on the run.

-2:33 mark Mallett has a ton of pressure on him, pocket breaks down and he weaves through the traffic for a TD run.

-2:42 mark Mallett has a 3 man rush, see a large hole to possibly take off and run. He runs up in the pocket, tucks the ball, keeps his eyes down field, pulls up just as he's about to get nailed and drills a bullet to his wr for a td.

-2:53 mark Mallett play action rolling right a defender comes free, Mallett back pedals, throws off his back foot for a td strike.

-4:12 mark Mallett lines up in shotgun and the pocket gets destroyed immediately by the gators front line. Mallett steps up in the pocket, hop steps to avoid the guy going at him from the back/side and fires a strike deep down field.

-4:28 mark Mallett play action gets busted up because the right sides pressure is too much. Mallett rolls out with a defender grabbing him, escapes the defender, throws off 1 foot and hits his wr in the back of the endzone.

Now i told you you were wrong, right? It's ok. We'll get through this together. I won't even ask for you to retract your statements. I know you were wrong. Heck, maybe not even wrong. Just not right. You were probably thinking about some other qb. You got them mixed up. I get it. It happens. Let's move on because the tape don't lie.

1st, the tape doesn't lie. Highlight reels do though. This is 4 minutes of his best plays. If I made a tape for you of JaMarcus Russel's best plays with the Raiders I can prove to you that he's an accurate passer. Also, I don't want to talk about each play, but not a single one showed any mobility, or any ability to throw under pressure except the very last one. When you stated he had a ton of pressure and scrambled for a TD, he actually had zero pressure and had a wide open lane to the endzone. You can literally make that play on crutches. His arm is redonculous, no question about it, but his footwork is horrendous. Even on that last play, where he did make a nice throw and did do so on the move, his footwork dropping back was truly difficult to watch. Watch Brady drop back. Better yet, watch Joe drop back. Then go back to Mallett. Horrendous footwork.

And if you think JaMarcus is inaccurate, just go to the :50 and 1:52 marks of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbRUT9YPzoA

tape don't lie