Von Miller is a must in Rd 1

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Look at the size of the Steelers and Packers LBs (both inside and out). The only guy with any real size is the 6'2", 265 LaMarr Woodley (which is about Ahmad Brooks' size)....the rest range from 6'0"-6'2" and around 235-255, which is right in the range of Von Miller. In other words, he's an ideal fit for the Steelers and Packers 3-4, which would make him an ideal fit for us as well.

The only guy is in Miller's area is Timmons and he plays inside and his strengths are very different. He's a fast guy who is able to make plays because the other guys around him are more dangerous and have to get blocked.

So the smaller guys for the Steelers are inside where they should be. We already have Patrick Willis and Bowman. We need an OLB. People keep throwing out Harrison out there but being 5'11 and 242 lbs is very different than being 6'2+ and 237 lbs.

Packer LBs:
Clay Matthews - 6'2", 255 (weighed in at 240 at his combine)
A.J. Hawk - 6'1", 247 (10 lbs heavier)
Desmond Bishop - 6'2", 238 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Nick Barnett - 6'2", 236 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Brandan Chillar - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Brad Jones - 6'3", 242 (5lbs heavier)
Brady Poppinga - 6'3", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)
Erik Walden - 6'2", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)

Steeler LBs:
LaMarr Woodley - 6'2", 265 (clearly bigger)
Jason Worilds - 6'2", 260 (clearly bigger)
James Harrison - 5'11", 242 (different body type)
James Farrior - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Larry Foote - 6'1", 239 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Keyaron Fox - 6'3", 235 (2 lbs ligher than Miller right now)
Stevenson Sylvester - 6'2", 231 (6 lbs lighter than Miller right now)

Now, if Miller was locked out of the weight room for the rest of his life, and was forced to not eat anything that would cause him to gain weight during his professional career, you would have a case for him staying at 237.

Since (like the rest of the players) he will be allowed to lift weights and have meals that help him gain weight, he will not stay at 237 for the rest of his playing days. Be sure, he will likely show up at the combine in the 245ish range, and there's no reason to believe he couldn't show up at a training camp in the 250ish range.

For the last time, this is just simply not an issue right now.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Look at the size of the Steelers and Packers LBs (both inside and out). The only guy with any real size is the 6'2", 265 LaMarr Woodley (which is about Ahmad Brooks' size)....the rest range from 6'0"-6'2" and around 235-255, which is right in the range of Von Miller. In other words, he's an ideal fit for the Steelers and Packers 3-4, which would make him an ideal fit for us as well.

The only guy is in Miller's area is Timmons and he plays inside and his strengths are very different. He's a fast guy who is able to make plays because the other guys around him are more dangerous and have to get blocked.

So the smaller guys for the Steelers are inside where they should be. We already have Patrick Willis and Bowman. We need an OLB. People keep throwing out Harrison out there but being 5'11 and 242 lbs is very different than being 6'2+ and 237 lbs.

Packer LBs:
Clay Matthews - 6'2", 255 (weighed in at 240 at his combine)
A.J. Hawk - 6'1", 247 (10 lbs heavier)
Desmond Bishop - 6'2", 238 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Nick Barnett - 6'2", 236 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Brandan Chillar - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Brad Jones - 6'3", 242 (5lbs heavier)
Brady Poppinga - 6'3", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)
Erik Walden - 6'2", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)

Steeler LBs:
LaMarr Woodley - 6'2", 265 (clearly bigger)
Jason Worilds - 6'2", 260 (clearly bigger)
James Harrison - 5'11", 242 (different body type)
James Farrior - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Larry Foote - 6'1", 239 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Keyaron Fox - 6'3", 235 (2 lbs ligher than Miller right now)
Stevenson Sylvester - 6'2", 231 (6 lbs lighter than Miller right now)

Now, if Miller was locked out of the weight room for the rest of his life, and was forced to not eat anything that would cause him to gain weight during his professional career, you would have a case for him staying at 237.

Since (like the rest of the players) he will be allowed to lift weights and have meals that help him gain weight, he will not stay at 237 for the rest of his playing days. Be sure, he will likely show up at the combine in the 245ish range, and there's no reason to believe he couldn't show up at a training camp in the 250ish range.

For the last time, this is just simply not an issue right now.

There is the question of how much added weight will impact his burst and speed though.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Look at the size of the Steelers and Packers LBs (both inside and out). The only guy with any real size is the 6'2", 265 LaMarr Woodley (which is about Ahmad Brooks' size)....the rest range from 6'0"-6'2" and around 235-255, which is right in the range of Von Miller. In other words, he's an ideal fit for the Steelers and Packers 3-4, which would make him an ideal fit for us as well.

The only guy is in Miller's area is Timmons and he plays inside and his strengths are very different. He's a fast guy who is able to make plays because the other guys around him are more dangerous and have to get blocked.

So the smaller guys for the Steelers are inside where they should be. We already have Patrick Willis and Bowman. We need an OLB. People keep throwing out Harrison out there but being 5'11 and 242 lbs is very different than being 6'2+ and 237 lbs.

genus why in the world will you think a pass rusher like Miller would be better suited for ILB!?!?!?!?!?! cmon man

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Look at the size of the Steelers and Packers LBs (both inside and out). The only guy with any real size is the 6'2", 265 LaMarr Woodley (which is about Ahmad Brooks' size)....the rest range from 6'0"-6'2" and around 235-255, which is right in the range of Von Miller. In other words, he's an ideal fit for the Steelers and Packers 3-4, which would make him an ideal fit for us as well.

The only guy is in Miller's area is Timmons and he plays inside and his strengths are very different. He's a fast guy who is able to make plays because the other guys around him are more dangerous and have to get blocked.

So the smaller guys for the Steelers are inside where they should be. We already have Patrick Willis and Bowman. We need an OLB. People keep throwing out Harrison out there but being 5'11 and 242 lbs is very different than being 6'2+ and 237 lbs.

genus why in the world will you think a pass rusher like Miller would be better suited for ILB!?!?!?!?!?! cmon man

I said no such thing. Read it again. In fact I said just the opposite.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Look at the size of the Steelers and Packers LBs (both inside and out). The only guy with any real size is the 6'2", 265 LaMarr Woodley (which is about Ahmad Brooks' size)....the rest range from 6'0"-6'2" and around 235-255, which is right in the range of Von Miller. In other words, he's an ideal fit for the Steelers and Packers 3-4, which would make him an ideal fit for us as well.

The only guy is in Miller's area is Timmons and he plays inside and his strengths are very different. He's a fast guy who is able to make plays because the other guys around him are more dangerous and have to get blocked.

So the smaller guys for the Steelers are inside where they should be. We already have Patrick Willis and Bowman. We need an OLB. People keep throwing out Harrison out there but being 5'11 and 242 lbs is very different than being 6'2+ and 237 lbs.

Packer LBs:
Clay Matthews - 6'2", 255 (weighed in at 240 at his combine)
A.J. Hawk - 6'1", 247 (10 lbs heavier)
Desmond Bishop - 6'2", 238 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Nick Barnett - 6'2", 236 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Brandan Chillar - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Brad Jones - 6'3", 242 (5lbs heavier)
Brady Poppinga - 6'3", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)
Erik Walden - 6'2", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)

Steeler LBs:
LaMarr Woodley - 6'2", 265 (clearly bigger)
Jason Worilds - 6'2", 260 (clearly bigger)
James Harrison - 5'11", 242 (different body type)
James Farrior - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Larry Foote - 6'1", 239 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Keyaron Fox - 6'3", 235 (2 lbs ligher than Miller right now)
Stevenson Sylvester - 6'2", 231 (6 lbs lighter than Miller right now)

Now, if Miller was locked out of the weight room for the rest of his life, and was forced to not eat anything that would cause him to gain weight during his professional career, you would have a case for him staying at 237.

Since (like the rest of the players) he will be allowed to lift weights and have meals that help him gain weight, he will not stay at 237 for the rest of his playing days. Be sure, he will likely show up at the combine in the 245ish range, and there's no reason to believe he couldn't show up at a training camp in the 250ish range.

For the last time, this is just simply not an issue right now.

i seriously need to find out clay matthews diet, supplements and work out plan to gain mass like that

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Look at the size of the Steelers and Packers LBs (both inside and out). The only guy with any real size is the 6'2", 265 LaMarr Woodley (which is about Ahmad Brooks' size)....the rest range from 6'0"-6'2" and around 235-255, which is right in the range of Von Miller. In other words, he's an ideal fit for the Steelers and Packers 3-4, which would make him an ideal fit for us as well.

The only guy is in Miller's area is Timmons and he plays inside and his strengths are very different. He's a fast guy who is able to make plays because the other guys around him are more dangerous and have to get blocked.

So the smaller guys for the Steelers are inside where they should be. We already have Patrick Willis and Bowman. We need an OLB. People keep throwing out Harrison out there but being 5'11 and 242 lbs is very different than being 6'2+ and 237 lbs.

genus why in the world will you think a pass rusher like Miller would be better suited for ILB!?!?!?!?!?! cmon man

I said no such thing. Read it again. In fact I said just the opposite.

Woops my bad mate....Rayn...

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Packer LBs:
Clay Matthews - 6'2", 255 (weighed in at 240 at his combine)
A.J. Hawk - 6'1", 247 (10 lbs heavier)
Desmond Bishop - 6'2", 238 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Nick Barnett - 6'2", 236 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Brandan Chillar - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Brad Jones - 6'3", 242 (5lbs heavier)
Brady Poppinga - 6'3", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)
Erik Walden - 6'2", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)

Steeler LBs:
LaMarr Woodley - 6'2", 265 (clearly bigger)
Jason Worilds - 6'2", 260 (clearly bigger)
James Harrison - 5'11", 242 (different body type)
James Farrior - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Larry Foote - 6'1", 239 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Keyaron Fox - 6'3", 235 (2 lbs ligher than Miller right now)
Stevenson Sylvester - 6'2", 231 (6 lbs lighter than Miller right now)

Now, if Miller was locked out of the weight room for the rest of his life, and was forced to not eat anything that would cause him to gain weight during his professional career, you would have a case for him staying at 237.

Since (like the rest of the players) he will be allowed to lift weights and have meals that help him gain weight, he will not stay at 237 for the rest of his playing days. Be sure, he will likely show up at the combine in the 245ish range, and there's no reason to believe he couldn't show up at a training camp in the 250ish range.

For the last time, this is just simply not an issue right now.

Please stop listing all these players and showing me their weight as if that's going to change my opinion of Miller.

Clay Matthews was a very different player than Miller. Do i even need to point out that out of all the guys you listed there there are only 2 top 10 picks - Hawk and Farrior? Both of whom play at ILB?

My point isn't that Miller will suck is that imo right now he's too one dimensional to take with #7 overall.

Miller can bulk up but it doesn't change his style of play. Maybe the added weight and strength allows him to not get blow up by offensive lineman when he can't shoot the gap to stop running plays but that is speculation.

We'll see what he comes in as at the combine and how he performs there.

Originally posted by rayn36:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerGM:


Gotcha - my mistake. Do you feel there's anyone at OLB at #7 or worth a trade up? I agreed with you last season about Spiller vs a pass-rush BTW.

I wouldn't trade up for anyone in this draft. Luck was the only guy I felt would've been worth the move up in a big way.

I'd take Quinn at #7 and that's probably it. I think a trade down would be great for us as Aldon Smith, Justin Houston, Von Miller, Ryan Kerrigan and even maybe Akeem Ayers offer more value there and all can be pretty good players.

I like Aldon Smith a lot. Kid has a ton of potential and has prototypical size for the position. He's not a finished product but definitely has the tools to be a stud at the position and just needs to work with the coaches and hit the weights

I really think VM would start out at ILB in a 3-4. He currently does not have the size to be a 3-4 OLB and would be a project at that position. 7 is simply too high to pick an ILB when you factor in money and importance to a def.

On the other hand, VM has so many intangibles and abilities that you just do not see in too many players. I think he has pushed himself into the top 10 conversation. We still need to take a hard look at him and see if he progresses from now till combine.

Dude that is retarded to move a pass rushing playmaker to ILB

HGH is easily available online.

15 pound weight gain is literally nothing for these athletes.

[ Edited by WWFGD on Jan 27, 2011 at 19:06:31 ]

Originally posted by WWFGD:
15 pound weight gain is literally nothing for these athletes.

It depends on the person. Manny has had a hell of of time putting weight on and keeping it on during the season.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by WWFGD:
15 pound weight gain is literally nothing for these athletes.

It depends on the person. Manny has had a hell of of time putting weight on and keeping it on during the season.

Agreed. Not every frame can put on 15lbs of muscle easily.

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Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Packer LBs:
Clay Matthews - 6'2", 255 (weighed in at 240 at his combine)
A.J. Hawk - 6'1", 247 (10 lbs heavier)
Desmond Bishop - 6'2", 238 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Nick Barnett - 6'2", 236 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Brandan Chillar - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Brad Jones - 6'3", 242 (5lbs heavier)
Brady Poppinga - 6'3", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)
Erik Walden - 6'2", 250 (13 lbs heavier right now)

Steeler LBs:
LaMarr Woodley - 6'2", 265 (clearly bigger)
Jason Worilds - 6'2", 260 (clearly bigger)
James Harrison - 5'11", 242 (different body type)
James Farrior - 6'2", 237 (exactly Miller's size right now)
Larry Foote - 6'1", 239 (almost exactly Miller's size right now)
Keyaron Fox - 6'3", 235 (2 lbs ligher than Miller right now)
Stevenson Sylvester - 6'2", 231 (6 lbs lighter than Miller right now)

Now, if Miller was locked out of the weight room for the rest of his life, and was forced to not eat anything that would cause him to gain weight during his professional career, you would have a case for him staying at 237.

Since (like the rest of the players) he will be allowed to lift weights and have meals that help him gain weight, he will not stay at 237 for the rest of his playing days. Be sure, he will likely show up at the combine in the 245ish range, and there's no reason to believe he couldn't show up at a training camp in the 250ish range.

For the last time, this is just simply not an issue right now.

Please stop listing all these players and showing me their weight as if that's going to change my opinion of Miller.

Clay Matthews was a very different player than Miller. Do i even need to point out that out of all the guys you listed there there are only 2 top 10 picks - Hawk and Farrior? Both of whom play at ILB?

My point isn't that Miller will suck is that imo right now he's too one dimensional to take with #7 overall.

Miller can bulk up but it doesn't change his style of play. Maybe the added weight and strength allows him to not get blow up by offensive lineman when he can't shoot the gap to stop running plays but that is speculation.

We'll see what he comes in as at the combine and how he performs there.

Everything in the draft is speculation. It's educated guesses based on a variety of factors. Since very few of these guys come fully equipped to dominate from day one, having to project a guy bulking up a little and what kind of player he might be once he learns better technique/leverage is a very common part of this process. The question usually is, what kind of player will he be once he bulks up and he's taught a few tricks of the trade? In Miller's case, he could be a devastating 3-4 OLB with 10-15lbs added to his frame over time and with a veteran coach like Fangio teaching him the ins/outs of NFL defenses.

With those factors to consider, he is a very intriguing prospect for this team.

So I do understand your point, but I think you're making too big of a deal about it right now. That's just my take.

[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jan 27, 2011 at 19:23:39 ]

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


Everything in the draft is speculation. It's educated guesses based on a variety of factors. Since very few of these guys come fully equipped to dominate from day one, having to project a guy bulking up a little and what kind of player he might be once he learns better technique/leverage is a very common part of this process. The question usually is, what kind of player will he be once he bulks up and he's taught a few tricks of the trade? In Miller's case, he could be a devastating 3-4 OLB with 10-15lbs added to his frame over time and with a veteran coach like Fangio teaching him the ins/outs of NFL defenses.

With those factors to consider, he is a very intriguing prospect for this team.

So I do understand your point, but I think you're making too big of a deal about it right now. That's just my take.

I'm not going to pretend I know the future or that my opinion is worth more than someone elses. Just my 2 cents. Would love nothing but be wrong if we do take Miller and he turns into a dominant 3-4 OLB.