MadDog December 7 Mock

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by jreff22:
what would option 2 and 3 be?

I would say that the team might be blown away with Prince's workout, or Justin Blackmon (if he comes out).

Two names to keep in mind. I think two of the shock picks in this draft will be Oregon State DT Stephen Paea and Maryland WR Torrey Smith (if he comes out).

Smith is going to be the second or third WR to be selected, and will go before Julio Jones. Smith is a better WR prospect than former Terps WR Heyward-Bey, and will clock the fastest time of any WR at the combine. Expect a meteoric rise.

Paea is a 310 pound DT who will be the fastest (I expect an eye opening 4.92 forty) and most athletic DT at the combine. I will be shocked if he is not a top 12 pick. So fast, athletic, smooth on the field. Compared to some of the other DT at the combine, he is going to look like a linebacker in agility. Just like Smith, expect him to go much higher than currently listed in mock drafts. He was superb against Oregon. One of the best performances by any DT this season, against a very good team.

Derek Sherrod will emerge as the top OT in the draft. It will all sort itself out eventually, but I project him as the first off the board. The Niners seem set at OT, but he is one to keep an eye out as the draft nears.

So, don't be shocked if either one of these guys is wearing Niners gear in 2011.

Considering the impact Haden has had of recent coupled with the mediocre play of Clements and Spencer I cant see how CB wouldn't be the pick. The DL is probably the best unit out of the whole team, I understand we need to build but not in the first.

If you have us passing on a QB in the first when do we take one? Alex will probably go, Troy is very meh, and Nate well....we share the same feelings on him. I have been more disconnected from college football this year because the 9ers have depressed me. You don't think Mallet or Locker will show something that will interest the new HC? I don't see us picking in the top 5 in the next few years so the chance to grab the best QB in those drafts wont happen. In has to be addressed and something needs to happen very soon.

The thought of AZ losing out and moving up for Luck then Sea getting their shot in 2013 (maybe Barkley) sickens me. Everybody gets a new toy and we have nothing, the West could be loaded with QB's except us.

It is hard to pull the trigger on a CB at 7. Last year was pretty unique in Haden, and while it has paid off, the quality at DL this year is phenomenal. I just think the draft order would go: DL and then CB in the second.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We just got to pick a QB. I'm of the philosophy we almost have to force it now. It's been almost a decade of bad QB play. It can't go on longer. We have to address that position. Yes we have tons of other holes. We are not a QB away. We are a lot away. Many WZers are not realistic about this. It's almost complete rebuild mode after years of rebuilding. But we can't ignore QB anymore.

Once upon a time the Chargers picked Ryan Leaf. Terrible pick. Then instead to being gun shy they picked again and again. Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers came after. So if at first you don't succeed. Pick and pick again.

All I know is this team will NEVER go anywhere without a legit QB. And we need a legit Coach and Front Office too.

At number seven, a team has got to be blown away by a QB prospect to pull the lever. And, I just don't see a guy in this group at QB that has 7th overall value, outside of Luck, of course.

Way too many red flags on Locker, Mallett, and Newton, especially with the enormous sum of money each will command as a high draftee. Look for the Niners to pick up someone already playing in the league.

Remember we might have a rookie cap for this draft so the money might not be as bad as in previous years.

Big question mark. Current players are really torn on this issue. We'll have to see how both sides approach this issue, if it is incorporated over time, or right away.

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Give me a good QB or a lockdown CB that actually locks down the f**king WR

Good defensive lineman can make mediocre CB's look really solid. We just don't apply much pressure on the QB outside of Justin Smith.

Sorry MD, but I'd have to disagree with the Niners' selection here. With Prince Amukamara still on the board, I don't see them passing on him especially with Spencer and Clements struggling. I like Clayborne. He really caught my eye last year, but he has disappeared more often this season.

I think I would agree with Ghost and say Prince/Quinn before I got with Clayborne.

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by SFL49ER:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Selection Team Record Opponent Win %

1 Carolina 1-11 .583
Andrew Luck- No brainer if he comes out. It would take the mother of all trades for Carolina to trade out of this pick. Ready to start and impact immediately.

2 Detroit 2-10 .568
De'Quan Bowers- I'll stick to my guns and say the Lions go with a speed rusher to compliment the inside presence of Suh. This also alleviates the stress on the CB's, which the Lions will address later in the draft.

3 Cincinnati 2-10 .573
Nick Fairley- Toss-up with AJ Green, but I'll say that either Ocho Cinco or T.O. sticks around one more year and the young WR's get one last shot. The Bengals defense has fallen apart, and Fairley is a dominant force.

4 Buffalo 2-10 .589
Patrick Peterson- Lots of needs, but CB has got to be resolved. First really talented guy picked up after the departure of Clements.

5 Arizona 3-9 .474
AJ Green- Someone has to take pressure off of Fitzgerald, and Breaston can resume duties as the number three WR. Cards need to score point again, and Green gives them a dynamic one-two punch.

6 Denver 3-9 .516
Marcel Dareus- The Broncos defense is an utter disaster, and Dareus is a disruptive player than can play the 3-4 defensive end, or slide inside as an undertackle in the 4-3.

7 San Francisco 4-8 .500
Adrian Clayborn- The Niners will pick up the most talented defensive lineman they've had on their team since Bryant Young. In fact, Clayborn has a lot of Young in him. Good size at 6'3", and 285, and yet still runs a sub 4.80 time. Quick, explosive, and can dominate the line of scrimmage. Not a sexy pick, but a player like Clayborn makes all the other players around him a ton better.

Wasn't Bryant Young playing at 305 most of his time? Anyway, Prince should be the pick if it falls this way. Its too glaring an issue on the back end to not get the best cover corner at pick 7. I don't like having to go corner but hopefully the team addresses it instead of reaching for Newton

Virtually identical in size. Young listed at 6'3", 291 coming out of college, while Clayborn is listed at 6'3", 286. Young was the 7th overall pick in the 1994 draft. We also, if the season ended today, own the 7th pick 17 years later.

We didn't own the 7th pick in 1994, we traded up to pick Young. I believe the trade was with the Rams of all teams. Go figure..

Not sure I am feeling it with Clayborn though. What position do you see him playing?? 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT?? We could have a new DC running a new system..

Correct in that we moved up to the 7th slot for Young. Rams traded down twice that year, from 5th to 7th (with the Colts) to 15th (with the Niners..who had SD's pick). The Colts moved up from 7th to 5th to draft Trev Alberts, and Mel Kiper's hair was born.

I just find it ironic that we have a similar type player as BY on the board in Clayborn. I see a lot of similarities. Clayborn can play the 4-3 DE on the strong side, a 3-4 DE or an undertackle (especially when he gets older). Right now, he needs to run and pursue, so I'd put him somewhere on the outside.

MD, if you were GM, how would you address the QB position? We can't keep BSing the most important player on the team in favor of DL and LBs

I'd see if the Eagles were willing to flip both first and second rounders in exchange for Kevin Kolb. I expect the Eagles to go far into the playoffs, and finish in the late 20's, or even get into the final four slots 29-32. So, they might be willing to jump 20+ slots in each round to get a premium player who can impact right away. I could see Andy Reid looking at a stud DL, or Prince at CB to improve a pretty average defense.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
1.) Definitely agree with your first 3 picks
2.) I can't see the Cardinals passing on Mallett...they literally have NOTHING at QB
3.) Buffalo needs a CB, but they need a pass rusher first....Quinn or Clayborn here
4.) With Luck and Mallett gone, we have to go BPA; either Peterson, Prince, Blackmon or Quinn
5.) I'd take Peterson (followed by Quinn, Prince then Blackmon)
6.) We sign/trade for a veteran QB, then draft Stanzi or Kaepernick in the 2nd

I think Alex Smith is going to sign with Arizona this offseason, and they pick up another developmental QB.

As for Quinn, I think the risk factor is going to cause him to fall lower than expected. We'll see.

I think Andy Dalton is a name that is not mentioned much, but a guy who could intrigue scouts as the draft nears, as a mid-round prospect.

Originally posted by hungarian9erfan:
Maddog, who is going to be our next coach?
what is your dream staff?

Love to see a Gruden, McDaniel, Wade Phillips combo.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
MD - Have your really watched Stephen Paea? I ask because I see a DT that, while very good, can't be more than 280 lbs. I also have seen draft sites having him at 300-310 lbs. No way... He looks like he will have to play in a Tampa 2 defense or just get off of the DL altogether.

your thoughts?

He doesn't look 310 pounds to me either, but sometimes looks are deceiving. I'd guess he's probably at 295-300 pounds.

If the Niners switch to a 4-3 defense, this kid is going to be nearly unblockable as an undertackle. I have been watching him, and the way he rips past OL, flows to the ball, and keeps his feet in cut blocking. Very impressive

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by hungarian9erfan:
Maddog, who is going to be our next coach?
what is your dream staff?

Love to see a Gruden, McDaniel, Wade Phillips combo.

agree, but do we want a guy who was cheating against us?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
MD - Have your really watched Stephen Paea? I ask because I see a DT that, while very good, can't be more than 280 lbs. I also have seen draft sites having him at 300-310 lbs. No way... He looks like he will have to play in a Tampa 2 defense or just get off of the DL altogether.

your thoughts?

He doesn't look 310 pounds to me either, but sometimes looks are deceiving. I'd guess he's probably at 295-300 pounds.

If the Niners switch to a 4-3 defense, this kid is going to be nearly unblockable as an undertackle. I have been watching him, and the way he rips past OL, flows to the ball, and keeps his feet in cut blocking. Very impressive

I'm a huge fan of Paea. The guy is just so relentless.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Give me a good QB or a lockdown CB that actually locks down the f**king WR

Good defensive lineman can make mediocre CB's look really solid. We just don't apply much pressure on the QB outside of Justin Smith.

thats what i try to say the whole time...

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
1.) Definitely agree with your first 3 picks
2.) I can't see the Cardinals passing on Mallett...they literally have NOTHING at QB
3.) Buffalo needs a CB, but they need a pass rusher first....Quinn or Clayborn here
4.) With Luck and Mallett gone, we have to go BPA; either Peterson, Prince, Blackmon or Quinn
5.) I'd take Peterson (followed by Quinn, Prince then Blackmon)
6.) We sign/trade for a veteran QB, then draft Stanzi or Kaepernick in the 2nd

I think Alex Smith is going to sign with Arizona this offseason, and they pick up another developmental QB.

As for Quinn, I think the risk factor is going to cause him to fall lower than expected. We'll see.

I think Andy Dalton is a name that is not mentioned much, but a guy who could intrigue scouts as the draft nears, as a mid-round prospect.

God, please let this be so.

You could be right about Quinn, but once he shows up at the combine, all will be forgiven/forgotten.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by hungarian9erfan:
Maddog, who is going to be our next coach?
what is your dream staff?

Love to see a Gruden, McDaniel, Wade Phillips combo.

agree, but do we want a guy who was cheating against us?

Cheating is OK if our guy is the one that is cheating.

I think Phillips would be willing to be good DC under Gruden but I'm not sure about McDaniel. He seemed very head strong while at Denver, however getting fired in the middle of the season may have humbled him a lot. I also think his rep as an offensive mind may have been embellished a bit by good field position from that NE defense and having Tom Terrific as QB. Looking around the league, he might be the best choice. I would love to steal Shurmur from St Louis but league rules wouldn't allow that.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by hungarian9erfan:
Maddog, who is going to be our next coach?
what is your dream staff?

Love to see a Gruden, McDaniel, Wade Phillips combo.

agree, but do we want a guy who was cheating against us?

Cheating is OK if our guy is the one that is cheating.

I think Phillips would be willing to be good DC under Gruden but I'm not sure about McDaniel. He seemed very head strong while at Denver, however getting fired in the middle of the season may have humbled him a lot. I also think his rep as an offensive mind may have been embellished a bit by good field position from that NE defense and having Tom Terrific as QB. Looking around the league, he might be the best choice. I would love to steal Shurmur from St Louis but league rules wouldn't allow that.

However, the Broncos are 11th in overall offense and 4th in passing...that's pretty darn good considering McDaniels was working with a journeyman QB and (previous to this season) mediocre/unproven WRs.

So offensively, JMc has done quite well.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by hungarian9erfan:
Maddog, who is going to be our next coach?
what is your dream staff?

Love to see a Gruden, McDaniel, Wade Phillips combo.

agree, but do we want a guy who was cheating against us?

Cheating is OK if our guy is the one that is cheating.

I think Phillips would be willing to be good DC under Gruden but I'm not sure about McDaniel. He seemed very head strong while at Denver, however getting fired in the middle of the season may have humbled him a lot. I also think his rep as an offensive mind may have been embellished a bit by good field position from that NE defense and having Tom Terrific as QB. Looking around the league, he might be the best choice. I would love to steal Shurmur from St Louis but league rules wouldn't allow that.

However, the Broncos are 11th in overall offense and 4th in passing...that's pretty darn good considering McDaniels was working with a journeyman QB and (previous to this season) mediocre/unproven WRs.

So offensively, JMc has done quite well.

I would take McDaniels as our OC without question. He isnt going to get a HC opportunity anytime soon and knows how to work with and develop quarterbacks. Makes sense to me!