Toby Gerhart is a beast

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by GameOver:
I noticed this thread was at the top of the Draft Board section, so just pokin my head in to whistle a bit, take some sips of my coffee, and remind people to say...




f**k You To Toby Gerhart



This has been a GameOver Public Service Announcement, Thank You.

Why?

Well besides the fact that hes from one of those families that literally breeds their kids to become athletes from the moment they jump outta the wound, he played an extra season of CIF football in HS as a super senior and ended up leading Norco to CIF championship during that 5th year of his...I think it was the only year Norco ended up winning the CIF during his 5 year tenure at Norco...

Thats why i'm mad...that and of course the usual reasons for one to hate another, envy, jealousy, etc etc...

I've been tryin to get at some of my boys from HS to better clarify the story, because if my memory is serving me right, I also recall him breaking some performance-enhancing substance rule as well but i dont remember if it was him or his brother or perhaps both or maybe even someone else from that team...which again, if I can properly recall, was the reason why he didn't play in the CIF during his actual senior year and was his reasoning for being eligible to play a 5th year...this all happened when I was like a freshman in HS so I can't remember it all that clearly, I just remember intense hate for this kid...

When I get clarification and some more details I will GLADLY post them...so please, get your popcorn ready fellas...its only a matter of time before I get in contact with someone who remembers

Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

^ word.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by GameOver:
I noticed this thread was at the top of the Draft Board section, so just pokin my head in to whistle a bit, take some sips of my coffee, and remind people to say...




f**k You To Toby Gerhart



This has been a GameOver Public Service Announcement, Thank You.

Why?

Well besides the fact that hes from one of those families that literally breeds their kids to become athletes from the moment they jump outta the wound, he played an extra season of CIF football in HS as a super senior and ended up leading Norco to CIF championship during that 5th year of his...I think it was the only year Norco ended up winning the CIF during his 5 year tenure at Norco...

Thats why i'm mad...that and of course the usual reasons for one to hate another, envy, jealousy, etc etc...

I've been tryin to get at some of my boys from HS to better clarify the story, because if my memory is serving me right, I also recall him breaking some performance-enhancing substance rule as well but i dont remember if it was him or his brother or perhaps both or maybe even someone else from that team...which again, if I can properly recall, was the reason why he didn't play in the CIF during his actual senior year and was his reasoning for being eligible to play a 5th year...this all happened when I was like a freshman in HS so I can't remember it all that clearly, I just remember intense hate for this kid...

When I get clarification and some more details I will GLADLY post them...so please, get your popcorn ready fellas...its only a matter of time before I get in contact with someone who remembers

Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
We should trade Gore and Coffee and draft Gerhart and Best!! We can have the all Bay Area running crew!!!

poor man's Alstott? I can imagine this guy being more than a short yardage back!

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by GameOver:
I noticed this thread was at the top of the Draft Board section, so just pokin my head in to whistle a bit, take some sips of my coffee, and remind people to say...




f**k You To Toby Gerhart



This has been a GameOver Public Service Announcement, Thank You.

Why?

Well besides the fact that hes from one of those families that literally breeds their kids to become athletes from the moment they jump outta the wound, he played an extra season of CIF football in HS as a super senior and ended up leading Norco to CIF championship during that 5th year of his...I think it was the only year Norco ended up winning the CIF during his 5 year tenure at Norco...

Thats why i'm mad...that and of course the usual reasons for one to hate another, envy, jealousy, etc etc...

I've been tryin to get at some of my boys from HS to better clarify the story, because if my memory is serving me right, I also recall him breaking some performance-enhancing substance rule as well but i dont remember if it was him or his brother or perhaps both or maybe even someone else from that team...which again, if I can properly recall, was the reason why he didn't play in the CIF during his actual senior year and was his reasoning for being eligible to play a 5th year...this all happened when I was like a freshman in HS so I can't remember it all that clearly, I just remember intense hate for this kid...

When I get clarification and some more details I will GLADLY post them...so please, get your popcorn ready fellas...its only a matter of time before I get in contact with someone who remembers

Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

This deserves an OWNED stamp !

Originally posted by DaManRathman:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by GameOver:
I noticed this thread was at the top of the Draft Board section, so just pokin my head in to whistle a bit, take some sips of my coffee, and remind people to say...




f**k You To Toby Gerhart



This has been a GameOver Public Service Announcement, Thank You.

Why?

Well besides the fact that hes from one of those families that literally breeds their kids to become athletes from the moment they jump outta the wound, he played an extra season of CIF football in HS as a super senior and ended up leading Norco to CIF championship during that 5th year of his...I think it was the only year Norco ended up winning the CIF during his 5 year tenure at Norco...

Thats why i'm mad...that and of course the usual reasons for one to hate another, envy, jealousy, etc etc...

I've been tryin to get at some of my boys from HS to better clarify the story, because if my memory is serving me right, I also recall him breaking some performance-enhancing substance rule as well but i dont remember if it was him or his brother or perhaps both or maybe even someone else from that team...which again, if I can properly recall, was the reason why he didn't play in the CIF during his actual senior year and was his reasoning for being eligible to play a 5th year...this all happened when I was like a freshman in HS so I can't remember it all that clearly, I just remember intense hate for this kid...

When I get clarification and some more details I will GLADLY post them...so please, get your popcorn ready fellas...its only a matter of time before I get in contact with someone who remembers

Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

This deserves an OWNED stamp !

pwned

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by DaManRathman:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by GameOver:
I noticed this thread was at the top of the Draft Board section, so just pokin my head in to whistle a bit, take some sips of my coffee, and remind people to say...




f**k You To Toby Gerhart



This has been a GameOver Public Service Announcement, Thank You.

Why?

Well besides the fact that hes from one of those families that literally breeds their kids to become athletes from the moment they jump outta the wound, he played an extra season of CIF football in HS as a super senior and ended up leading Norco to CIF championship during that 5th year of his...I think it was the only year Norco ended up winning the CIF during his 5 year tenure at Norco...

Thats why i'm mad...that and of course the usual reasons for one to hate another, envy, jealousy, etc etc...

I've been tryin to get at some of my boys from HS to better clarify the story, because if my memory is serving me right, I also recall him breaking some performance-enhancing substance rule as well but i dont remember if it was him or his brother or perhaps both or maybe even someone else from that team...which again, if I can properly recall, was the reason why he didn't play in the CIF during his actual senior year and was his reasoning for being eligible to play a 5th year...this all happened when I was like a freshman in HS so I can't remember it all that clearly, I just remember intense hate for this kid...

When I get clarification and some more details I will GLADLY post them...so please, get your popcorn ready fellas...its only a matter of time before I get in contact with someone who remembers

Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

This deserves an OWNED stamp !

pwned

I really wasnt trying to own anyone. I was, however, trying to point out to a young kid barely out of high school how ridiculous his comments were. Hopefully he will grow up and think before he blurts out really stupid stuff like he did in this thread.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

Are...you...s**tTING...me...lol, this is so ridiculous right now

I reserve the right to hate WHOEVER I want for WHATEVER reasons I want...I did not come in here spreading rumors...I came in and just clearly stated I hated him and didn't even mention much else, and then of course, I was asked why and it went from there. I didn't spread any rumors, I answered a damn question as to why i hated him and even clearly said THAT I DO NOT KNOW if the following statements are true so please DO NOT TAKE IT AS FACT OR ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST YOUNG PERSON BULLs**t seeing how this is through the internet and you will obviously never know this s**t for certain unless his past (or for all of your sakes, his "alleged" past in MY eyes) catches up to him, so my reasoning is seen as "ridiculous" to some, seriously, I dont give a f**k, thats why it's MY reasoning and MY opinion and not yours, because Im satisfied by it and you are not...

Ahem, now to address your Four Point Plan..

1. I'm a hater, as ANY hater would, OF COURSE, i have jealousy/envy for the kid, duh...tell me somethin i dont know, i even admitted this earlier in this thread...lol

2. That's actually all your opinion (except for the fact that his siblings attended college) and is as good a fact as me saying that his family is a f**king joke...hell, just by the looks of your diction one can tell that your just stating your opinion "seems like a well grounded kid", of course he SEEMS like a well grounded kid, you only see what the media shows you just as the rest of society does...so I thought this point was kinda funny for you to say, but hey, rock on dude...lol

3. I think I already addressed this with the whole "rumors" nonsense I said earlier...

4. I know it's almost POINTLESS in me responding to this because you are just going to label what I say as "bulls**t to continue to back up my retarded theory that he was held back a year" so I'll just stfu

I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion...there is NO need to come in here and jump on my opinion and then label my opinion as me "spreading rumors"...dude, your just as guilty as me, you just labeled him a scholar and a man from a relatively successful family, how do you know his family? All you see is Garth and him on TV playin college ball, if that is what you see as success, then okh, nvm, thats your opinion and definition of the word success...And yes, he is a bright kid but I only know that from high school, how the hell do you know that? From whatever you probably read on the internet or whatever you see on TV just like you know EVERYTHING else about the kid...in a sense, I feel like i'm not even discussing Toby with you but I'm discussing Toby with the media because you are just regurgitating everything the media says about him and if you don't know the media doesnt KNOW everything...hell, just recently, look at Tiger Woods, oh damn, what happened there?

Hell, how bout you just ask some kids that GO to Stanford and have been able to have ANY contact with this kid and/or his family, especially his dad, THEN come and tell me that I'm spreading s**t...I can even give you contacts of current and former Cardinals if you wanna go down to Palo Alto and socal and do some interviews, please, help yourself brudda

I'm kinda surprised you are spending this much time on me...thats WAY too much to write in response to someone (myself) who is a hater and as a hater, bases all of his hate off 1. jealousy/envy (DUH) 2. personal experience with/around the individual and 3. pure desire/joy to hate individuals/organizations/things...

Anyways, I'm done here, this is pointless, I wish the kid the best of luck going forward as I will continue to hate him until further notice

Originally posted by GameOver:
1. I'm a hater, as ANY hater would, OF COURSE, i have jealousy/envy for the kid, duh...tell me somethin i dont know, i even admitted this earlier in this thread...lol

You admitted that you're a hater. I can respect that.

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

Are...you...s**tTING...me...lol, this is so ridiculous right now

I reserve the right to hate WHOEVER I want for WHATEVER reasons I want...I did not come in here spreading rumors...I came in and just clearly stated I hated him and didn't even mention much else, and then of course, I was asked why and it went from there. I didn't spread any rumors, I answered a damn question as to why i hated him and even clearly said THAT I DO NOT KNOW if the following statements are true so please DO NOT TAKE IT AS FACT OR ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST YOUNG PERSON BULLs**t seeing how this is through the internet and you will obviously never know this s**t for certain unless his past (or for all of your sakes, his "alleged" past in MY eyes) catches up to him, so my reasoning is seen as "ridiculous" to some, seriously, I dont give a f**k, thats why it's MY reasoning and MY opinion and not yours, because Im satisfied by it and you are not...

Ahem, now to address your Four Point Plan..

1. I'm a hater, as ANY hater would, OF COURSE, i have jealousy/envy for the kid, duh...tell me somethin i dont know, i even admitted this earlier in this thread...lol

2. That's actually all your opinion (except for the fact that his siblings attended college) and is as good a fact as me saying that his family is a f**king joke...hell, just by the looks of your diction one can tell that your just stating your opinion "seems like a well grounded kid", of course he SEEMS like a well grounded kid, you only see what the media shows you just as the rest of society does...so I thought this point was kinda funny for you to say, but hey, rock on dude...lol

3. I think I already addressed this with the whole "rumors" nonsense I said earlier...

4. I know it's almost POINTLESS in me responding to this because you are just going to label what I say as "bulls**t to continue to back up my retarded theory that he was held back a year" so I'll just stfu

I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion...there is NO need to come in here and jump on my opinion and then label my opinion as me "spreading rumors"...dude, your just as guilty as me, you just labeled him a scholar and a man from a relatively successful family, how do you know his family? All you see is Garth and him on TV playin college ball, if that is what you see as success, then okh, nvm, thats your opinion and definition of the word success...And yes, he is a bright kid but I only know that from high school, how the hell do you know that? From whatever you probably read on the internet or whatever you see on TV just like you know EVERYTHING else about the kid...in a sense, I feel like i'm not even discussing Toby with you but I'm discussing Toby with the media because you are just regurgitating everything the media says about him and if you don't know the media doesnt KNOW everything...hell, just recently, look at Tiger Woods, oh damn, what happened there?

Hell, how bout you just ask some kids that GO to Stanford and have been able to have ANY contact with this kid and/or his family, especially his dad, THEN come and tell me that I'm spreading s**t...I can even give you contacts of current and former Cardinals if you wanna go down to Palo Alto and socal and do some interviews, please, help yourself brudda

I'm kinda surprised you are spending this much time on me...thats WAY too much to write in response to someone (myself) who is a hater and as a hater, bases all of his hate off 1. jealousy/envy (DUH) 2. personal experience with/around the individual and 3. pure desire/joy to hate individuals/organizations/things...

Anyways, I'm done here, this is pointless, I wish the kid the best of luck going forward as I will continue to hate him until further notice

come on... it's okay
tell us...


did he bang your mom or teabag you?

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

Are...you...s**tTING...me...lol, this is so ridiculous right now

I reserve the right to hate WHOEVER I want for WHATEVER reasons I want...I did not come in here spreading rumors...I came in and just clearly stated I hated him and didn't even mention much else, and then of course, I was asked why and it went from there. I didn't spread any rumors, I answered a damn question as to why i hated him and even clearly said THAT I DO NOT KNOW if the following statements are true so please DO NOT TAKE IT AS FACT OR ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST YOUNG PERSON BULLs**t seeing how this is through the internet and you will obviously never know this s**t for certain unless his past (or for all of your sakes, his "alleged" past in MY eyes) catches up to him, so my reasoning is seen as "ridiculous" to some, seriously, I dont give a f**k, thats why it's MY reasoning and MY opinion and not yours, because Im satisfied by it and you are not...

Ahem, now to address your Four Point Plan..

1. I'm a hater, as ANY hater would, OF COURSE, i have jealousy/envy for the kid, duh...tell me somethin i dont know, i even admitted this earlier in this thread...lol

2. That's actually all your opinion (except for the fact that his siblings attended college) and is as good a fact as me saying that his family is a f**king joke...hell, just by the looks of your diction one can tell that your just stating your opinion "seems like a well grounded kid", of course he SEEMS like a well grounded kid, you only see what the media shows you just as the rest of society does...so I thought this point was kinda funny for you to say, but hey, rock on dude...lol

3. I think I already addressed this with the whole "rumors" nonsense I said earlier...

4. I know it's almost POINTLESS in me responding to this because you are just going to label what I say as "bulls**t to continue to back up my retarded theory that he was held back a year" so I'll just stfu

I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion...there is NO need to come in here and jump on my opinion and then label my opinion as me "spreading rumors"...dude, your just as guilty as me, you just labeled him a scholar and a man from a relatively successful family, how do you know his family? All you see is Garth and him on TV playin college ball, if that is what you see as success, then okh, nvm, thats your opinion and definition of the word success...And yes, he is a bright kid but I only know that from high school, how the hell do you know that? From whatever you probably read on the internet or whatever you see on TV just like you know EVERYTHING else about the kid...in a sense, I feel like i'm not even discussing Toby with you but I'm discussing Toby with the media because you are just regurgitating everything the media says about him and if you don't know the media doesnt KNOW everything...hell, just recently, look at Tiger Woods, oh damn, what happened there?

Hell, how bout you just ask some kids that GO to Stanford and have been able to have ANY contact with this kid and/or his family, especially his dad, THEN come and tell me that I'm spreading s**t...I can even give you contacts of current and former Cardinals if you wanna go down to Palo Alto and socal and do some interviews, please, help yourself brudda

I'm kinda surprised you are spending this much time on me...thats WAY too much to write in response to someone (myself) who is a hater and as a hater, bases all of his hate off 1. jealousy/envy (DUH) 2. personal experience with/around the individual and 3. pure desire/joy to hate individuals/organizations/things...

Anyways, I'm done here, this is pointless, I wish the kid the best of luck going forward as I will continue to hate him until further notice

You son are one sad case.

ya geirhart is obviously a f**k up because he goes to stanford, one of the most prestigious universities in the whole world!!! stanford is not like USC, they actually give a s**t about grades and not just athletics. if he wasnt a smart kid he wouldnt be in stanford.

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Lets see.. what we DO know is this:
1) You have some incredible jealousy that has resulted in your hatred for this kid
2) Gerhart is doing great both academically and athletically and seems like really a well grounded kid. His siblings have also attended college and seem to be very successful as well. Yet.. you choose to call this a "fking joke of a family"

3) You have no proof whatsoever of performance enhancing substance yet you choose to start a rumor about this with NO facts at all. Trust me.. having one of your buddies from high school try to remember something doesnt count.

4) Gerhart finished his high school career in 2005 at the age of 18. Last I checked most high schoolers do graduate at age 18. Students born in the month of March will not graduate at the age of 17 UNLESS they skip a year. Skip - not be held back.

Why don't you try growing up and reserving your hatred for someone who has been a bad example, done something really wrong, or is a bad human being. Everything I see about Gerhart is the complete opposite of that.

Are...you...s**tTING...me...lol, this is so ridiculous right now

I reserve the right to hate WHOEVER I want for WHATEVER reasons I want...I did not come in here spreading rumors...I came in and just clearly stated I hated him and didn't even mention much else, and then of course, I was asked why and it went from there. I didn't spread any rumors, I answered a damn question as to why i hated him and even clearly said THAT I DO NOT KNOW if the following statements are true so please DO NOT TAKE IT AS FACT OR ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST YOUNG PERSON BULLs**t seeing how this is through the internet and you will obviously never know this s**t for certain unless his past (or for all of your sakes, his "alleged" past in MY eyes) catches up to him, so my reasoning is seen as "ridiculous" to some, seriously, I dont give a f**k, thats why it's MY reasoning and MY opinion and not yours, because Im satisfied by it and you are not...

Ahem, now to address your Four Point Plan..

1. I'm a hater, as ANY hater would, OF COURSE, i have jealousy/envy for the kid, duh...tell me somethin i dont know, i even admitted this earlier in this thread...lol

2. That's actually all your opinion (except for the fact that his siblings attended college) and is as good a fact as me saying that his family is a f**king joke...hell, just by the looks of your diction one can tell that your just stating your opinion "seems like a well grounded kid", of course he SEEMS like a well grounded kid, you only see what the media shows you just as the rest of society does...so I thought this point was kinda funny for you to say, but hey, rock on dude...lol

3. I think I already addressed this with the whole "rumors" nonsense I said earlier...

4. I know it's almost POINTLESS in me responding to this because you are just going to label what I say as "bulls**t to continue to back up my retarded theory that he was held back a year" so I'll just stfu

I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion...there is NO need to come in here and jump on my opinion and then label my opinion as me "spreading rumors"...dude, your just as guilty as me, you just labeled him a scholar and a man from a relatively successful family, how do you know his family? All you see is Garth and him on TV playin college ball, if that is what you see as success, then okh, nvm, thats your opinion and definition of the word success...And yes, he is a bright kid but I only know that from high school, how the hell do you know that? From whatever you probably read on the internet or whatever you see on TV just like you know EVERYTHING else about the kid...in a sense, I feel like i'm not even discussing Toby with you but I'm discussing Toby with the media because you are just regurgitating everything the media says about him and if you don't know the media doesnt KNOW everything...hell, just recently, look at Tiger Woods, oh damn, what happened there?

Hell, how bout you just ask some kids that GO to Stanford and have been able to have ANY contact with this kid and/or his family, especially his dad, THEN come and tell me that I'm spreading s**t...I can even give you contacts of current and former Cardinals if you wanna go down to Palo Alto and socal and do some interviews, please, help yourself brudda

I'm kinda surprised you are spending this much time on me...thats WAY too much to write in response to someone (myself) who is a hater and as a hater, bases all of his hate off 1. jealousy/envy (DUH) 2. personal experience with/around the individual and 3. pure desire/joy to hate individuals/organizations/things...

Anyways, I'm done here, this is pointless, I wish the kid the best of luck going forward as I will continue to hate him until further notice

He stole your chick didn't he.

You hate him because his dad raised him to be an athlete as well as extremely a bright kid. Okay? That's a legitimate reason to hate a guy. D*mn those parents and their superior athletic and intelligent kids.

You also hate him because a friend of a friend of yours might have heard that him, his brother or someone on his team, or someone in Cali might have done steroids. Hey but that's not spreading a rumor.