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Originally posted by stonecold590:
Originally posted by stonecold590:
Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:
Originally posted by stonecold590:
No to Burkhead, Gabbert, Chris Jones.
No to Zay Jones.

What do you have against Zay Jones? He's moving up the WR rankings for me. We knew from his tape he had amazing hands and route-running skills. Then he showed up at Senior Bowl in a big way AND lit up the combine after that. I'm liking him more than Mike Williams now...

You like Zay Jones more than Mike Williams? One is a true gamer and Jones has bad foot movement and zero upper body strength. Jones will get stopped at the line against NFL CBs.

Let me put it this way. I am no Expert Pro Scout as is anyone of this forum. Some are very good but no pro scouts here. So it comes down to opinion. In my opinion I would take Cooper Kupp over Zay Jones every time. Part of that is because I have watched Kupp play every game for the past 3 years. He will make some team look very smart when it's all said and done.

I have no illusions of grandeur that I'm anything but an armchair GM but right now I believe Zay Jones is a safer prospect than M. Williams. I was in love with Michael Thomas as a prospect last year, so I hit on that one. But I also loved QP coming out of LaTech, so I'm not perfect.

Williams's strengths are his raw physical size and ability to use his body to shield defenders and make tough catches. But he ran limited route trees in Clemson's offense. He's not super fast or elusive, might struggle to create separation. He could well turn out to be that Alshon Jeffery-type big-bodied receiver, but I'm not 100% sold.

Zay Jones on the other hand is an incredibly polished route-runner, with perhaps the most natural hands in the entire draft. He tested faster and more explosive than Williams at the combine. His size is also decent at 6'2" 201 lb. You make a good point that his lack of strength and heft might be an issue against NFL corners. Maybe this is a damning weakness; I don't claim to know. But I know Zay is smart and holds the FBS record with 399 career receptions. If he can overcome this weakness, I bet he will.

End of the day, I expect both guys to go in the 1st round. But I'd love if one made it to us at #34, or we trade up for a second 1st rounder and take a young WR to add to our veteran group. The good news is this is shaping up to be a deep WR class.
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
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sGiving away value in the trade of draft picks is just suicide. Check it out:

Our #2 valued at 2600 points
Our #109 valued at 76

Their #7 valued at 1500
Their 38 valued at 520

These valuations arent set in stone but they give you an idea of relative values. So in this trade you have in effect given away in value the #28th overall pick.

You're right that these valuations aren't set in stone and in some cases they aren't even close to reality. Teams value players not picks.

Do you honestly think there's an 1100 point difference (mid-first round pick) between Solomon Thomas or Jamal Adams (guys in play for the #2 pick) and Leonard Fournette, Deshaun Watson, and Malik Hooker (guys who could be there at 7)?

In reality, we wouldn't be giving away the value of a 1st round pick - we'd likely be getting more value in return because some of the guys we're considering at 2 could still be there at 7 (we'd be getting a 2nd round draft pick and still picking the same player).

If Garrett is on the board, that's another story, but I think a lot of fans are way too optimistic about what the #2 pick is worth this year.

The most likely outcome is that we keep the pick. Teams have a tendency of roughly following the pick value chart and it's not worth it to trade up to #2 this year if you remotely follow that chart. The only way we pull off a trade is if someone overvalues Trubisky (and thinks there's a wide gap between him and Watson), but I don't see that happening.

most of those are top ten talent wise. desaun no. and immediately when i read your trades i thought we got burnt
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