Kirk Cousins

Originally posted by pd24:

That's a slight upgrade at QB and money for someone else

And $35M in FGTD money in 2022...

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

His cap hit for 2021 would be 5mil less than Jimmy.

It would balloon up to 35mil in 2022.

Right and it's all FGTD. There's no restructure there. You're paying him $56M regardless if he plays or not as of the 3rd day of the new yr. There's no incentives, no roster bonuses, no nothing just all his money regardless...that's the opposite of what SF does for their deals lol.

Minn would have to give SF picks imo. Similar to LA having to give up picks (not that drastic) having to give up picks to unload Goff's deal.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

His cap hit for 2021 would be 5mil less than Jimmy.

It would balloon up to 35mil in 2022.

Right and it's all FGTD. There's no restructure there. You're paying him $56M regardless if he plays or not as of the 3rd day of the new yr. There's no incentives, no roster bonuses, no nothing just all his money regardless...that's the opposite of what SF does for their deals lol.

Minn would have to give SF picks imo. Similar to LA having to give up picks (not that drastic) having to give up picks to unload Goff's deal.

I don't like that 2022 cap hit at all. That's what Watson will be making in 2022.

If the yearly cap number was better in 2022 the FGTD part wouldn't really bother me for a QB with 2 years left on his deal. Lol at Vikings for that final year cap hit if they can't get rid of him though.

I agree that the Vikings would have to make concessions for anyone taking on Kirk and that contract. That's why at least our #12 would be safe imo.

If we run it back with Jimmy G he counts for 52 million over next 2 years. Kirk would count for 56

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

His cap hit for 2021 would be 5mil less than Jimmy.

It would balloon up to 35mil in 2022.

Right and it's all FGTD. There's no restructure there. You're paying him $56M regardless if he plays or not as of the 3rd day of the new yr. There's no incentives, no roster bonuses, no nothing just all his money regardless...that's the opposite of what SF does for their deals lol.

Minn would have to give SF picks imo. Similar to LA having to give up picks (not that drastic) having to give up picks to unload Goff's deal.

Players have been known to agree to void contracts before, especially at the last year or a deal. I doubt Cousins would, but he may, due to the relationship with Shanahan.

But as long as the cap returns to normal, why worry? Just let him play it out while the kid we draft in the mid round takes another year to develop.

Originally posted by krizay:
If we run it back with Jimmy G he counts for 52 million over next 2 years. Kirk would count for 56

We don't have to run it back with Jimmy, that's the difference. It's a team-option deal yr to yr. This is the exact opposite

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Players have been known to agree to void contracts before, especially at the last year or a deal. I doubt Cousins would, but he may, due to the relationship with Shanahan.

But as long as the cap returns to normal, why worry? Just let him play it out while the kid we draft in the mid round takes another year to develop.

Almost a zero chance that Kirk would void a FGTD deal. No one in their right minds would do that. FGTD contracts like he's gotten don't happen in the NFL. He could get in a car accident on the 4th day of the new yr and the Vikings would have to pay him everything. He could have a avg season (even less then what he has) and they will still have to pay him lol.

SF isn't taking on that type of contract and Kirk is a straight moron to void it.

Why worry? Because you magically throw an extra $35M on the books, you can use that 2022 cap relief to structure contracts in 2021. It's a horrible Idea for a marginal upgrade.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Almost a zero chance that Kirk would void a FGTD deal. No one in their right minds would do that. FGTD contracts like he's gotten don't happen in the NFL. He could get in a car accident on the 4th day of the new yr and the Vikings would have to pay him everything. He could have a avg season (even less then what he has) and they will still have to pay him lol.

SF isn't taking on that type of contract and Kirk is a straight moron to void it.

Why worry? Because you magically throw an extra $35M on the books, you can use that 2022 cap relief to structure contracts in 2021. It's a horrible Idea for a marginal upgrade.

I concur on everything except I don't think Cousins is an upgrade. He's worse under pressure but at least he throws a good deep ball. Either way, we're not getting him so I'm happy

Originally posted by krizay:

If we run it back with Jimmy G he counts for 52 million over next 2 years. Kirk would count for 56

How much if we cut Jimmy and go all in with one of the rookies QBs? f**k it, let's just roll with Rosen and a rookie, take our lumps and see what happens. It's got to be close for another Rick Mirer season from a rookie

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
I don't like that 2022 cap hit at all. That's what Watson will be making in 2022.

If the yearly cap number was better in 2022 the FGTD part wouldn't really bother me for a QB with 2 years left on his deal. Lol at Vikings for that final year cap hit if they can't get rid of him though.

I agree that the Vikings would have to make concessions for anyone taking on Kirk and that contract. That's why at least our #12 would be safe imo.

Yes and Watson is on another level to Kirk. You can also restructure his contract in 2022 because you KNOW he's gonna be the guy for the next decade. He's under contract through 2025.

You're basically giving Kirk the tag for two yrs (even more money then what the normal tag is in 2022). There's zero wiggle room to free up any money. Would be an awful move.

Thank god Rap said there's no truth it and it doesn't make much sense for either teams.

Originally posted by AceDuce49:
How much if we cut Jimmy and go all in with one of the rookies QBs? f**k it, let's just roll with Rosen and a rookie, take our lumps and see what happens. It's got to be close for another Rick Mirer season from a rookie

If we cut Jimmy this yr we save over $50M between 2021/2022. That's a whole lot of cash to resign/upgrade do whatever you want in FA.

A rookie (like Wilson) who run a lot of similar concepts to Kyle would be super appealing IMO. Go get a Fitz or Dalton for like $5M have Rosen in there to battle it out for the backup role.

You got a future FQB with Kyle on a cheap rookie deal for 5 yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We don't have to run it back with Jimmy, that's the difference. It's a team-option deal yr to yr. This is the exact opposite

you're right but every scenario everyone has for us is to draft a rookie to sit behind Jimmy. Which has Jimmy on the team anyway.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If we cut Jimmy this yr we save over $50M between 2021/2022. That's a whole lot of cash to resign/upgrade do whatever you want in FA.

A rookie (like Wilson) who run a lot of similar concepts to Kyle would be super appealing IMO. Go get a Fitz or Dalton for like $5M have Rosen in there to battle it out for the backup role.

You got a future FQB with Kyle on a cheap rookie deal for 5 yrs.

You get a rookie (like Wilson) who struggles against pressure we'll need an OL. We trade all of our picks to get Wilson. We then have to pay for an OL to protect Wilson and we are now in the same boat except paying alot for OL instead of QB.

Originally posted by krizay:
You get a rookie (like Wilson) who struggles against pressure will need an OL. We trade all of our picks to get Wilson. We then have to pay for an OL to protect Wilson and we are now in the same boat except paying alot for OL instead of QB.

You get an offensive play-caller who helps Wilson....you give Wilson legit pass catchers who can get open to help with pressure. you get money (moving off Jimmy) to invest in better OL help. They have to protect anyone regardless. I don't think he struggles with pressure as much as you do either. Wilson can simply make plays that Jimmy can't do.

They get a center and draft a IOL in the 3rd rd to compete with Brunskill/Colton. That's not even remotely close to paying Jimmy $50M lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Players have been known to agree to void contracts before, especially at the last year or a deal. I doubt Cousins would, but he may, due to the relationship with Shanahan.

But as long as the cap returns to normal, why worry? Just let him play it out while the kid we draft in the mid round takes another year to develop.

Almost a zero chance that Kirk would void a FGTD deal. No one in their right minds would do that. FGTD contracts like he's gotten don't happen in the NFL. He could get in a car accident on the 4th day of the new yr and the Vikings would have to pay him everything. He could have a avg season (even less then what he has) and they will still have to pay him lol.

SF isn't taking on that type of contract and Kirk is a straight moron to void it.

Why worry? Because you magically throw an extra $35M on the books, you can use that 2022 cap relief to structure contracts in 2021. It's a horrible Idea for a marginal upgrade.

Even if he wouldn't do it in an exchange for an extension, it's just one year with an inflated value, and it affords us the cap space in 2021 to resign Trent Williams.


And then in two years let him hit free agency and start the rookie we draft this season.




Wilson would be the ideal situation. He isn't getting passed Atlanta, unfortunately.