2025 Free Agency

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

This. By a mile no doubt

You know we aren't getting either, right?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

This. By a mile no doubt

You know we aren't getting either, right?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
That is not how you fix your run D

Can't pay everyone, not that they haven't tried

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

Yeah, but we need corners more than pass rushers.

You can have Revis and Sanders in their primes - but if you can't get to the QB - they can't shutdown anyone.

Pass rush is always more important and impactful. I rather be elite at pass-rushing with average secondary than good pass rush with good secondary.

No, we need at least 1 great cb to limit an opponent's great qb or wr which are many nowadays. People forget, if the qb has a quick release or the OL holds, the pass rush is negated. It cost the niners the SB vs the Chiefs and many other games. I'm glad the niners see it this way. Now whether they spend enough money to make this move is another question

What's up with Casey Hayward? Is there any other lower tier CBs out there that we can afford?

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What's up with Casey Hayward? Is there any other lower tier CBs out there that we can afford?

Easily affordable. I want him if we miss out on Gillmore

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

Yeah, but we need corners more than pass rushers.

You can have Revis and Sanders in their primes - but if you can't get to the QB - they can't shutdown anyone.

Pass rush is always more important and impactful. I rather be elite at pass-rushing with average secondary than good pass rush with good secondary.

No, we need at least 1 great cb to limit an opponent's great qb or wr which are many nowadays. People forget, if the qb has a quick release or the OL holds, the pass rush is negated. It cost the niners the SB vs the Chiefs and many other games. I'm glad the niners see it this way. Now whether they spend enough money to make this move is another question

I disagree. The entire league does. This is why pass-rushers get paid what they get paid and CBs get paid what they get paid.

Pass-rushers are more valuable.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What's up with Casey Hayward? Is there any other lower tier CBs out there that we can afford?

Easily affordable. I want him if we miss out on Gillmore

We should have gotten him last year. Hopefully, we go after him if we miss out on Gilmore. And bring back Verrett on cheap, heavily incentivized deal as well.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

Yeah, but we need corners more than pass rushers.

You can have Revis and Sanders in their primes - but if you can't get to the QB - they can't shutdown anyone.

Pass rush is always more important and impactful. I rather be elite at pass-rushing with average secondary than good pass rush with good secondary.

No, we need at least 1 great cb to limit an opponent's great qb or wr which are many nowadays. People forget, if the qb has a quick release or the OL holds, the pass rush is negated. It cost the niners the SB vs the Chiefs and many other games. I'm glad the niners see it this way. Now whether they spend enough money to make this move is another question

Yup, if they're willing to go up to $15M for a 31 year old Gilmore WHILE Garoppolo sits on the roster/cap, that's only $1.5M less than J.C. Jackson. It also signals they have the cap space.

No excuses. Chandler or plan C in Gilmore.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

Yeah, but we need corners more than pass rushers.

You can have Revis and Sanders in their primes - but if you can't get to the QB - they can't shutdown anyone.

Pass rush is always more important and impactful. I rather be elite at pass-rushing with average secondary than good pass rush with good secondary.

That's an outdated line of thinking that doesn't apply . PFFdid a long term analysis of defensive trends of pass coverage versus passrush, and determined coverage was more important to overall team success. Fascinating article that you should read! Look at the pats defenses over the last 10 years, they prioritize coverage and have put together some great units. Point is you need both. Also the only time this team has won a Super Bowl they had an elite player in the secondary if you want to go that route. Aka Deion sanders, or Ronnie Lott.

I prefer this team prioritize the passrush, I just think we need THAT guy in the secondary. If that happens watch our D go back to 2019 levels.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

Yeah, but we need corners more than pass rushers.

You can have Revis and Sanders in their primes - but if you can't get to the QB - they can't shutdown anyone.

Pass rush is always more important and impactful. I rather be elite at pass-rushing with average secondary than good pass rush with good secondary.

That's an outdated line of thinking that doesn't apply . PFFdid a long term analysis of defensive trends of pass coverage versus passrush, and determined coverage was more important to overall team success. Fascinating article that you should read! Look at the pats defenses over the last 10 years, they prioritize coverage and have put together some great units. Point is you need both. Also the only time this team has won a Super Bowl they had an elite player in the secondary if you want to go that route. Aka Deion sanders, or Ronnie Lott.

I prefer this team prioritize the passrush, I just think we need THAT guy in the secondary. If that happens watch our D go back to 2019 levels.

You say that's outdated line of thinking that doesn't apply and then give me an example from 1994.

PFF does what they do...NFL FO's value pass rushers more - bc they pay them a LOT more money.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
That's an outdated line of thinking that doesn't apply . PFFdid a long term analysis of defensive trends of pass coverage versus passrush, and determined coverage was more important to overall team success. Fascinating article that you should read! Look at the pats defenses over the last 10 years, they prioritize coverage and have put together some great units. Point is you need both. Also the only time this team has won a Super Bowl they had an elite player in the secondary if you want to go that route. Aka Deion sanders, or Ronnie Lott.

I prefer this team prioritize the passrush, I just think we need THAT guy in the secondary. If that happens watch our D go back to 2019 levels.

Yeah people aren't considering what a great cb does to help a defense and team win games. Also Pass rushers get beat too.....all these people claiming all cbs get beat. Well so do great pass rushers by a good O lineman, holding or a qb with a quick release or mobility to escape and make plays. AGAIN, we lost to KC with great pressure in Mahomes. The cbs let us down and sorry but that's a fact.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

Yeah, but we need corners more than pass rushers.

You can have Revis and Sanders in their primes - but if you can't get to the QB - they can't shutdown anyone.

Pass rush is always more important and impactful. I rather be elite at pass-rushing with average secondary than good pass rush with good secondary.

That's an outdated line of thinking that doesn't apply . PFFdid a long term analysis of defensive trends of pass coverage versus passrush, and determined coverage was more important to overall team success. Fascinating article that you should read! Look at the pats defenses over the last 10 years, they prioritize coverage and have put together some great units. Point is you need both. Also the only time this team has won a Super Bowl they had an elite player in the secondary if you want to go that route. Aka Deion sanders, or Ronnie Lott.

I prefer this team prioritize the passrush, I just think we need THAT guy in the secondary. If that happens watch our D go back to 2019 levels.

I think it's even more prevalent as teams go more and more full Madden in the passing game.

As we've seen, OL are now allowed to jump counts and hold as much as they want to ensure the passing game is highlighted for fans in big games.

In addition, our division is loaded with receiving weapons.

The goal/ideal is to get 2 great ER and CB's like the Chargers just did.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If we don't land Gilmore we better go after Chandler Jones or Von Miller to have a scary pass rush

Chandler Jones > Gilmore

Yup. Not even close. I'd just rather have Jones.

Yeah, but we need corners more than pass rushers.

You can have Revis and Sanders in their primes - but if you can't get to the QB - they can't shutdown anyone.

Pass rush is always more important and impactful. I rather be elite at pass-rushing with average secondary than good pass rush with good secondary.

That's an outdated line of thinking that doesn't apply . PFFdid a long term analysis of defensive trends of pass coverage versus passrush, and determined coverage was more important to overall team success. Fascinating article that you should read! Look at the pats defenses over the last 10 years, they prioritize coverage and have put together some great units. Point is you need both. Also the only time this team has won a Super Bowl they had an elite player in the secondary if you want to go that route. Aka Deion sanders, or Ronnie Lott.

I prefer this team prioritize the passrush, I just think we need THAT guy in the secondary. If that happens watch our D go back to 2019 levels.

I think it's even more prevalent as teams go more and more full Madden in the passing game.

As we've seen, OL are now allowed to jump counts and hold as much as they want to ensure the passing game is highlighted for fans in big games.

In addition, our division is loaded with receiving weapons.

The goal/ideal is to get 2 great ER and CB's like the Chargers just did.

Exactly. With a qb on a rookie deal it's a necessity. Now go get the deal done with Gillmore already. We need this upgrade so badly. Maybe we have to remind Lynch how good corners that make plays can help a team win a SB. Remember Ronde Barber muchhhhhh? It's not a difficult concept