Allen Robinson best FA WR

Originally posted by jcs:

883 in 16' and his YPC dropped from 17.5 in 15' to 12.1 in 16'. His YPC in 14' was 11.4 so who is he as a WR?

Less stat sheet watching, box score keeping, and draft profile reading. More game tape watching. That's where you will find your answer.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by jcs:

883 in 16' and his YPC dropped from 17.5 in 15' to 12.1 in 16'. His YPC in 14' was 11.4 so who is he as a WR?

Less stat sheet watching, box score keeping, and draft profile reading. More game tape watching. That's where you will find your answer.

Jcs is the ultimate first take kinda guy lol... He brings good discussions around here though sometimes i wanna kill him for saying Hyde never hit 1k when he was 12 yards short last year haha.

Originally posted by jcs:

883 in 16' and his YPC dropped from 17.5 in 15' to 12.1 in 16'. His YPC in 14' was 11.4 so who is he as a WR?

Bortles was also much better in 2015. I wouldn't commit big money to a guy coming off injury but he's a legitimate redzone threat and a very good receiver. Need to get Jimmy some weapons, I could see us spending big on WR in FA, just not sure whether it's him.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by jcs:
883 in 16' and his YPC dropped from 17.5 in 15' to 12.1 in 16'. His YPC in 14' was 11.4 so who is he as a WR?

Bortles was also much better in 2015. I wouldn't commit big money to a guy coming off injury but he's a legitimate redzone threat and a very good receiver. Need to get Jimmy some weapons, I could see us spending big on WR in FA, just not sure whether it's him.

I'd rather get a healthy Landry and stick him in the middle with Garcon and Goodwin on the outside and run Taylor in 4 WR sets. I think Kittle and Celek are good enough and Kittle with another offseason to develop should be given every opportunity to succeed.

I like Robinson a lot but I just don't see us spending 10+ mil a year on a WR this offseason.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Not to mention Allen Robinson is 24 years old. The same age that Calvin Ridley will be when he starts the season. The sky is the limit for Arob and people have seem to forget how amazing he was before his injury.

you've posted about Ridley's age in like three other threads we get it, he's not some 21 yr old kid....he's 23 and IMO I don't think that's a problem. He also doesn't have a torn ACL and won't command a $10+ million contract for 5 yrs

And he is wrong.

Ridley just turned 23 while Adams just turned 25 and ARob will be 25 when the regular season starts.

We also do not know if ARob will hit the market as it seems more likely they would rather keep ARob than Lee. Also a chance it take Robinson time to get back to his old self as no 2 players heal the same from an injury, he could be fine by the season opener or he may not be fully back until year 2. Even a slim chance he is never quite the same.

And like you said, if they drafted Ridley you get 5 years on a rookie deal before paying him market value if he reaches his potential.

FWIW, I love ARob and would love to have him but if they preferred to try and find their guy in the draft, be it Ridley or other, that too could turn out to be a great move.

Ridley has huge potential in this offense and would give us another big playmaker for Jimmy. I do not see whats not to like with him.

Allen Robinson is 24. Get your facts straight. He's about 9 months older than Ridley.

ARob will hit the market because he will be looking for the largest guarantee he can get. ARob also hurt himself very early on in the season and is schedule to be ready to go by training camp.

Facts are straight...he will be 25 when the season starts.

And there is no guarantee he hits the market, it is all opinions and guesswork at this point. Also being on schedule to go does not mean the player will be back to his old self and playing at the same level pre ACL injury or that the player ever returns to that exact same form, always a little risk there.

Arob will be 25 when the season starts and Ridley won't be 24 until like week 16 of next yr.

So basically when Ridley gets his 2nd contract he will be about the same age as Alshon Jeffery when he got paid this yr

I'd love to have Allen. I think he's a really good receiver who would help us big time in the red zone especially. I'd be nervous giving him a big contract with the knee issue and not knowing how he'd respond to coming back from it.

I do think signing a guy like Robinson would allow us to use the first rounder on a pass rusher which is where I think we get the most bang for our buck so to speak. Pass rushers aren't available in free agency and the draft class isn't super deep. If we want to address Leo we need to invest our first pick on it IMO.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'd love to have Allen. I think he's a really good receiver who would help us big time in the red zone especially. I'd be nervous giving him a big contract with the knee issue and not knowing how he'd respond to coming back from it.

I do think signing a guy like Robinson would allow us to use the first rounder on a pass rusher which is where I think we get the most bang for our buck so to speak. Pass rushers aren't available in free agency and the draft class isn't super deep. If we want to address Leo we need to invest our first pick on it IMO.

#1 WRs with zero question marks never hit FA.

Our cap situation allows us to take a risk on a legitimate, young, #1 WR. If we're wrong -- we still have a favorable cap situation. If we are right -- we are annual Super Bowl contenders.

Risk/benefit seems to be in our favor.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

I'd love to have Allen. I think he's a really good receiver who would help us big time in the red zone especially. I'd be nervous giving him a big contract with the knee issue and not knowing how he'd respond to coming back from it.

I do think signing a guy like Robinson would allow us to use the first rounder on a pass rusher which is where I think we get the most bang for our buck so to speak. Pass rushers aren't available in free agency and the draft class isn't super deep. If we want to address Leo we need to invest our first pick on it IMO.

#1 WRs with zero question marks never hit FA.

Our cap situation allows us to take a risk on a legitimate, young, #1 WR. If we're wrong -- we still have a favorable cap situation. If we are right -- we are annual Super Bowl contenders.

Risk/benefit seems to be in our favor.

This is essentially what I've been saying. Allen at his best is a top 5 WR in the league. And hasn't proven it. These kinds of guys never hit FA until they've aged out become obsolescent. If ARob gets back to form, you have a 6'3 220 lb red zone monster that catches everything in his radius, is a hard worker and strong as an Ox.

The reward outweighs the risk. And you don't have to use draft capital on a WR and can focus then on more pressing needs such as OL, CB, DE.

I'm all im with Robinson. Him or Landry.

Originally posted by okdkid:

#1 WRs with zero question marks never hit FA.

Our cap situation allows us to take a risk on a legitimate, young, #1 WR. If we're wrong -- we still have a favorable cap situation. If we are right -- we are annual Super Bowl contenders.

Risk/benefit seems to be in our favor.

Nice summary. My feelings as well.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

You're out of your mind. James Washington is built like a running back and can fly. Please put down the drugs.

K. So you like him as a WR because he's built like a different position and is fast. Any more insight?

What did you think about him against CU last year?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by jcs:

883 in 16' and his YPC dropped from 17.5 in 15' to 12.1 in 16'. His YPC in 14' was 11.4 so who is he as a WR?

Bortles was also much better in 2015. I wouldn't commit big money to a guy coming off injury but he's a legitimate redzone threat and a very good receiver. Need to get Jimmy some weapons, I could see us spending big on WR in FA, just not sure whether it's him.

I'd rather get a healthy Landry and stick him in the middle with Garcon and Goodwin on the outside and run Taylor in 4 WR sets. I think Kittle and Celek are good enough and Kittle with another offseason to develop should be given every opportunity to succeed.

This. We have zero invested in Robinson and it makes zero sense to give him a bunch of money and then hope that he hasn't lost anything when he gets back on the field.

The Jags can take that risk because they invested a draft pick, money and developmental time in him.

The funny part is everyone hated Baalke for using this method to get premier prospects because they fell after ACL injuries. Now it's okay to sign a guy for $10+ million because he'd probably get $14+ million if he weren't hurt?

Sorry but I'd rather take a shot with a healthy player, even if that player might not equal Robinson when both are healthy. If Robinson isn't the same player anymore, then we lost a whole season of someone being our #1 like Landry or Ridley and them getting the chance to develop chemistry with Jimmy shortly after signing.

Only way I'm good with signing Robinson is if he accepts a 1 year prove it deal like Jeffrey and Pryor signed this past off-season. That way we at least get some financial protection if things don't work out. Otherwise I don't trust taking risk on positions like WR/RB/DB when the player is recovering from a major leg injury.

Originally posted by DickNasty:

I'm all im with Robinson. Him or Landry.

Landry is a totally different player than Robinson.

Originally posted by Hopper:

I like Robinson a lot but I just don't see us spending 10+ mil a year on a WR this offseason.

This I agree with. Would love to add Landry but a edge rusher, cb, and OL in my opinion are bigger needs.