Allen Robinson best FA WR

Originally posted by StatisticsGuru:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
When did Robinson get benched? And Landry plays mostly inside to where Robinson plays outside?

Reread what I wrote. I'm not getting where you think I said Robinson was benched. I said, if he were to be signed, who do you bench Garcon or Goodwin. All three play outside and don't have much experience sliding inside. Landry's game is inside. That's why, if the 49ers were to pick one of Robinson/Landry, it is Landry that fits best.

Reading comprehension bro. lol

But if Robinson was signed there's no way Robinson is benched so yes I think Goodwin is not necessarily benched but I think his role would be reduced. But why sign Landry to play inside when they have Trent Taylor, who's been a beast on 3rd downs? I honestly don't see Shanahan spending money on Landy playing inside over his hand picked slot receiver who's playing really good. This team needs receivers on the outside and in the redzone.

Originally posted by jcs:

Just another stat to throw into the conversation Catch%

Robinson
2014 - 59.3%
2015 - 53%
2016 - 48.3%

Landry
2014 - 75%
2015 - 66.3%
2016 - 71.8%
2017 - 69.6%

Yes and when most of those catches are near the line of scrimmage I'd expect the % to be higher. Who cares if Landry catches more balls if they're on avg of 8.8 ypr

Originally posted by StatisticsGuru:
You sign Robinson who gets benched? Goodwin/Garcon are outside receivers and neither have much experience nor the right skill set for the slot. Same goes for Robinson.

Landry is the best in the league on short slot routes. No really. I like Taylor in the slot but Landry is on a different level. A core of Garcon/Goodwin/Landry is top shelf level.

Landry has 400 receptions in his first 4 seasons, by far the NFL record. Next closest is Boldin at ... wait for it ... 342. That's a 58 reception difference between 1st and 2nd. The difference between Landry in 1st and Boldin in 2nd is the same as the difference between 2nd and 23rd.

If we sign one of them, it should be Landry. Robinson, as good as he is, is redundant to what we already have.

All that said, I don't think the 49ers should sign a big name receiver. Jimmy G put up the numbers he did with their current group minus the No. 1 in Garcon. Taylor and Kettle were rookies and Goodwin and Garcon was in his first year with the team. It stands to reason all will be better next year after an offseason to get tuned to Jimmy G. And fwiw Garcon is a good red zone target.

"In 2017, head coach Kyle Shanahan has allowed Goodwin to run a more complete route tree, and although he hasn't been used as a slot receiver, Goodwin appears to be much more comfortable in the middle of the field and running routes from a variety of splits."

Originally posted by jcs:

Just another stat to throw into the conversation Catch%

Robinson
2014 - 59.3%
2015 - 53%
2016 - 48.3%

Landry
2014 - 75%
2015 - 66.3%
2016 - 71.8%
2017 - 69.6%

These stats mean nothing as Landry gets a ton of dump off passes. I love Landry and would love to have him but taylor has shown he's value with Jimmy throwing him the ball. Even Jimmy said that they can't guard him.

We need Robinson more and a WR core of Garcon, Robinson, Goodwin, Taylor and Bourne looks really solid. Mix in Celek, Kittle and a juice and we're rolling.

Statistics guru, good freakin call with The Who comes off the field argument. Ugh! Disgustingly good.

And this guy would be okay with goodwins role being diminished by bringing in Robinson... then please don't bring up the speed argument.

Jalen Ramsey of all people said Goodwin got him a couple times, garappolo missed on the throws.

Robinson torn acl, Landry durable and tough as nails. As I said, a poor mans anquan boldin.

I'm still waiting for Robinson's numbers from last year.

Originally posted by StatisticsGuru:

You are arguing things in a vacuum. Playing a WR isn't all about catching screens or redzone targets.

You have yet to answer who gets dropped from the starting lineup, Garcon or Goodwin? Those two and Robinson play the outside.

Robinson vs Landry isn't just about who is better. It's about who improves the 49ers the most. To get Robinson on the field either Garcon or Goodwin has to come off of it. Not the case with Landry.

Nothing I've said is in a vacuum, I've stated what type of WR each guy is. You bring up catch % I simply said I'd expect Landry to have a higher % because like you said, it's a ton of easy screens and balls thrown near the line of scrimmage.

It all depends on what you want in a WR because they're completely different. Me personally, I want a wr who can get one-on-one balls, is a red zone threat, and makes plays down field. I want a WR who plays on the outside.

As far as who gets benched...imo garçon is on this team for one more season. Goodwin's contract is up in a yr, so who's up after that Bourne? I love the Goodwin story but he's not as good as Allen. I'm fine with the coaching staff substituting all three depending on the down. Goodwin/Arob/Taylor looks pretty nice in the long-term.

Taylor is a rookie coming off a fine yr, he's a coaches pick, and killed 3rd downs this yr. I don't see him getting replaced....I do see a 32 WR like garçon getting replaced.

End of the day I don't see us making a big splash on a WR regardless BUT I would prefer Allen and it's not close.

78/883/6... as their #1 with the nfl gathering that 2015 tape off of him.

Nyniner85, are you Allen Robinson by any chance? You want to come here now, bro?

Originally posted by Watters32:

I'm still waiting for Robinson's numbers from last year.

I mean you have google right?

Allen has 883 yards 6 TDs and bortles went awol that yr (and I don't want to hear and argument about that he was horrible).

Landry had 1,1136 yards and 4 TDs.

Originally posted by Watters32:

Nyniner85, are you Allen Robinson by any chance? You want to come here now, bro?

Stop...just dont want to bring in a slot WR who gets 10 ypr and doesn't score TDs (based off the amount of targets he gets).

Their completely different WRs. I want an outside guy that is a red zone threat and actually moves the ball downfield when he catches it. Too each their own

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Nothing I've said is in a vacuum, I've stated what type of WR each guy is. You bring up catch % I simply said I'd expect Landry to have a higher % because like you said, it's a ton of easy screens and balls thrown near the line of scrimmage.

It all depends on what you want in a WR because they're completely different. Me personally, I want a wr who can get one-on-one balls, is a red zone threat, and makes plays down field. I want a WR who plays on the outside.

As far as who gets benched...imo garçon is on this team for one more season. Goodwin's contract is up in a yr, so who's up after that Bourne? I love the Goodwin story but he's not as good as Allen. I'm fine with the coaching staff substituting all three depending on the down. Goodwin/Arob/Taylor looks pretty nice in the long-term.

Taylor is a rookie coming off a fine yr, he's a coaches pick, and killed 3rd downs this yr. I don't see him getting replaced....I do see a 32 WR like garçon getting replaced.

End of the day I don't see us making a big splash on a WR regardless BUT I would prefer Allen and it's not close.

You may be fine with all three getting rotated but we are talking WRs. No way that passes the mustard. At least one of them would speak out.

Plus, what do you tell Robinson in FA? Remember, you have to convince him to sign. So you either promise him starter time and end up lying because you rotate him, you give him starter time at the cost of a quality FA to be who may refuse to resign or you refuse to promise that and he doesn't sign.

Again, you aren't arguing or suggesting things that work in reality. Players, and especially WRs, aren't OK with coming off the field to give another guy an opportunity. You rotate Goodwin out, he leaves in FA. You rotate Robinson or Garcon out you renig on promises from when they signed and introduce discontent to the team.

Originally posted by Watters32:

78/883/6... as their #1 with the nfl gathering that 2015 tape off of him.

HA gathering tape off him...you watch the jags at all last yr? You watch Blake bortles at all? Dude forgot how to throw a football....if there was "tape" to gather it was on Blake not Allen.

Originally posted by StatisticsGuru:

You may be fine with all three getting rotated but we are talking WRs. No way that passes the mustard. At least one of them would speak out.

Plus, what do you tell Robinson in FA? Remember, you have to convince him to sign. So you either promise him starter time and end up lying because you rotate him, you give him starter time at the cost of a quality FA to be who may refuse to resign or you refuse to promise that and he doesn't sign.

Again, you aren't arguing or suggesting things that work in reality. Players, and especially WRs, aren't OK with coming off the field to give another guy an opportunity. You rotate Goodwin out, he leaves in FA. You rotate Robinson or Garcon out you renig on promises from when they signed and introduce discontent to the team.

Who cares if someone speaks out? It's footall and it's competition. Garcon isn't getting better and I'd rather sign Allen long-term knowing we have our replacement. No ones guaranteed s**t in football...if our FO is promising FAs and our players anything then we have a bigger issues imo.

Like I said we have two outside guys one has one more yr on his deal and the other is gonna be 32 and can very easily be cut.

We do have a rookie slot WR that the coach loves on a cheap deal for 3 more yrs...I don't see him being replace.

And like I said I doubt a big time WR gets signed anyway.