Sammy Watkins 5th year option declined

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth

I like moore, but I'll bet money they're not "upgrading" from Kyle's boy in the slot, and they shouldn't be.

Eh maybe. I'd like to think Kyle isn't the type of coach that is so set in his ways that he wouldn't do something like that.

Set in his ways? Taylor was a rookie who had a very very good yr. He was 3rd in rec among all rookie WRs and 5th in yards (and that's with Hoyer/CJ over half of the yr).

upgrading from him shouldn't be a thought at this point.

Why not? He's a scrappy little WR that would find a great role as a #4 on 3rd down but he's not going to help you run blocking or break open a short pass into a TD with his lack of speed. His catch radius is among the worst of the league and won't help you in the redzone either.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth

I like moore, but I'll bet money they're not "upgrading" from Kyle's boy in the slot, and they shouldn't be.

Eh maybe. I'd like to think Kyle isn't the type of coach that is so set in his ways that he wouldn't do something like that.

Set in his ways? Taylor was a rookie who had a very very good yr. He was 3rd in rec among all rookie WRs and 5th in yards (and that's with Hoyer/CJ over half of the yr).

upgrading from him shouldn't be a thought at this point.

Why not? He's a scrappy little WR that would find a great role as a #4 on 3rd down but he's not going to help you run blocking or break open a short pass into a TD with his lack of speed. His catch radius is among the worst of the league and won't help you in the redzone either.

I mean if that's the case why not just bring in All-Pro WR's at every position?

Because when it comes down to it, the business side kicks in and screws you on the salary cap. Notice why Tom Brady has a bunch of receivers making less than $8 million a year?

In short, why fix something that's not broken?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth

I like moore, but I'll bet money they're not "upgrading" from Kyle's boy in the slot, and they shouldn't be.

Eh maybe. I'd like to think Kyle isn't the type of coach that is so set in his ways that he wouldn't do something like that.

Set in his ways? Taylor was a rookie who had a very very good yr. He was 3rd in rec among all rookie WRs and 5th in yards (and that's with Hoyer/CJ over half of the yr).

upgrading from him shouldn't be a thought at this point.

Why not? He's a scrappy little WR that would find a great role as a #4 on 3rd down but he's not going to help you run blocking or break open a short pass into a TD with his lack of speed. His catch radius is among the worst of the league and won't help you in the redzone either.

I mean if that's the case why not just bring in All-Pro WR's at every position?

Because when it comes down to it, the business side kicks in and screws you on the salary cap. Notice why Tom Brady has a bunch of receivers making less than $8 million a year?

In short, why fix something that's not broken?

Then why even talk about pursing another WR?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth

I like moore, but I'll bet money they're not "upgrading" from Kyle's boy in the slot, and they shouldn't be.

Eh maybe. I'd like to think Kyle isn't the type of coach that is so set in his ways that he wouldn't do something like that.

Set in his ways? Taylor was a rookie who had a very very good yr. He was 3rd in rec among all rookie WRs and 5th in yards (and that's with Hoyer/CJ over half of the yr).

upgrading from him shouldn't be a thought at this point.

Why not? He's a scrappy little WR that would find a great role as a #4 on 3rd down but he's not going to help you run blocking or break open a short pass into a TD with his lack of speed. His catch radius is among the worst of the league and won't help you in the redzone either.

I mean if that's the case why not just bring in All-Pro WR's at every position?

Because when it comes down to it, the business side kicks in and screws you on the salary cap. Notice why Tom Brady has a bunch of receivers making less than $8 million a year?

In short, why fix something that's not broken?

Then why even talk about pursing another WR?

Because, we are talking about upgrading on the outside not over Taylor.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth

I like moore, but I'll bet money they're not "upgrading" from Kyle's boy in the slot, and they shouldn't be.

Eh maybe. I'd like to think Kyle isn't the type of coach that is so set in his ways that he wouldn't do something like that.

Set in his ways? Taylor was a rookie who had a very very good yr. He was 3rd in rec among all rookie WRs and 5th in yards (and that's with Hoyer/CJ over half of the yr).

upgrading from him shouldn't be a thought at this point.

Why not? He's a scrappy little WR that would find a great role as a #4 on 3rd down but he's not going to help you run blocking or break open a short pass into a TD with his lack of speed. His catch radius is among the worst of the league and won't help you in the redzone either.

I mean if that's the case why not just bring in All-Pro WR's at every position?

Because when it comes down to it, the business side kicks in and screws you on the salary cap. Notice why Tom Brady has a bunch of receivers making less than $8 million a year?

In short, why fix something that's not broken?

Then why even talk about pursing another WR?

Because, we are talking about upgrading on the outside not over Taylor.

Garcon was a top 5 WR in yardage when he was playing and Goodwin nearly hit a 1,000 yards. The real issue when looking at production is Taylor.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth

I like moore, but I'll bet money they're not "upgrading" from Kyle's boy in the slot, and they shouldn't be.

Eh maybe. I'd like to think Kyle isn't the type of coach that is so set in his ways that he wouldn't do something like that.

Set in his ways? Taylor was a rookie who had a very very good yr. He was 3rd in rec among all rookie WRs and 5th in yards (and that's with Hoyer/CJ over half of the yr).

upgrading from him shouldn't be a thought at this point.

Why not? He's a scrappy little WR that would find a great role as a #4 on 3rd down but he's not going to help you run blocking or break open a short pass into a TD with his lack of speed. His catch radius is among the worst of the league and won't help you in the redzone either.

I'm talking about in the slot. I'm not talking about on the outside. We need to upgrade that spot at some point. I'd much rather find a WR in the draft to develop behind Goodwin and Garcon for a yr vs pay Watkins.

Taylor does his job and does it well. Catch radius doesn't hurt guys like Edelman/amendola/Welker. Taylor is quick, finds those soft spots, and sure-handed.

Originally posted by jcs:
Garcon was a top 5 WR in yardage when he was playing and Goodwin nearly hit a 1,000 yards. The real issue when looking at production is Taylor.

3rd overall rookie in Rec and 5th in yards...what issue in production? There's only one football lol. We do need some size which can be had come draft day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth

I like moore, but I'll bet money they're not "upgrading" from Kyle's boy in the slot, and they shouldn't be.

Eh maybe. I'd like to think Kyle isn't the type of coach that is so set in his ways that he wouldn't do something like that.

Set in his ways? Taylor was a rookie who had a very very good yr. He was 3rd in rec among all rookie WRs and 5th in yards (and that's with Hoyer/CJ over half of the yr).

upgrading from him shouldn't be a thought at this point.

Why not? He's a scrappy little WR that would find a great role as a #4 on 3rd down but he's not going to help you run blocking or break open a short pass into a TD with his lack of speed. His catch radius is among the worst of the league and won't help you in the redzone either.

I'm talking about in the slot. I'm not talking about on the outside. We need to upgrade that spot at some point. I'd much rather find a WR in the draft to develop behind Goodwin and Garcon for a yr vs pay Watkins.

Taylor does his job and does it well. Catch radius doesn't hurt guys like Edelman/amendola/Welker. Taylor is quick, finds those soft spots, and sure-handed.

Edelman and Amendola don't compare to him...other than being white they are both bigger, faster and taller. Welker was a special player, I don't see that from Taylor.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Garcon was a top 5 WR in yardage when he was playing and Goodwin nearly hit a 1,000 yards. The real issue when looking at production is Taylor.

3rd overall rookie in Rec and 5th in yards...what issue in production? There's only one football lol. We do need some size which can be had come draft day.

He was also force fed the ball because of injuries to his teammates. Don't see upside in relying on a 5-7 174lb WR with T-Rex arms that also slow but quick footed.

He could be an Alshon Jeffery type pick-up on the right team. I hope it's us....

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Garcon was a top 5 WR in yardage when he was playing and Goodwin nearly hit a 1,000 yards. The real issue when looking at production is Taylor.

3rd overall rookie in Rec and 5th in yards...what issue in production? There's only one football lol. We do need some size which can be had come draft day.

He was also force fed the ball because of injuries to his teammates. Don't see upside in relying on a 5-7 174lb WR with T-Rex arms that also slow but quick footed.

You're right guys with high mesauables always pan out *cough Smelter. Taylor is our Jamison Crowder, which is very valuable in a WCO.

since when is 60 targets for your starting slot WR a lot? Dude started day one at that position and his target share was pretty even throughout the yr...it didn't spike up after Garcon got hurt.

If anyone got force fed targets it was Goodwin.

Taylor get's 1st downs that's all I care about, Kyle loves him so there's that as well. He avg 10 ypr which was damn near guys like Golden Tate, Fitz, and higher than Jarvis Landry and Cobb.

I'm with you on improving the outside and I think the draft has some good prospects.

Don't forget to, the Rams picked up Watkins right before the season started. he did not have much of a chance to learn their offense or build any kind of chemistry with Jared Goff. Give Watkins a full off-season and camp with the right team and QB and I think he will be a big time player. Obviously, if he can stay healthy as he had some issues with injuries.

I really think he could be a big time player here with Jimmy G and opposite Garcon. He would be the absolutely perfect compliment to Garcon and vice versa with Goodwin in the slot. Ooooooooooohhh weeee

Dude had 1 good game all year and it was against us lol

Sign this guy and draft Fountain later in the draft. Then we are set at another position for the next few years.

I'm starting to really warm up to the idea of snagging Sammy in FA.