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Originally posted by Niners99:
Our CB's are going to get picked on like crazy. Brock wont even be thrown at. Culliver is coming off his rookie season and an injured reserve year, and after that its Wright, Cook, and Morris.

I dont care who we draft, rookie CB's are rarely ever effective. If anything they get tested on every passing play. Letting Thurmond get away was a huge mistake IMO. Especially over a 1 year deal worth barely over 3 mil.

If our front 7 and safeties play well our CBs will be just fine. We don't need lockdown personnel but we do need athleticism and sound technicians. We have the athletes and we have the coaching to develop technique. We should have faith that the defense will play up to the level we are accustomed to

Originally posted by Niners99:
Our CB's are going to get picked on like crazy. Brock wont even be thrown at. Culliver is coming off his rookie season and an injured reserve year, and after that its Wright, Cook, and Morris.

I dont care who we draft, rookie CB's are rarely ever effective. If anything they get tested on every passing play. Letting Thurmond get away was a huge mistake IMO. Especially over a 1 year deal worth barely over 3 mil.

Culliver is a 4th year player so I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Our CB's are going to get picked on like crazy. Brock wont even be thrown at. Culliver is coming off his rookie season and an injured reserve year, and after that its Wright, Cook, and Morris.

I dont care who we draft, rookie CB's are rarely ever effective. If anything they get tested on every passing play. Letting Thurmond get away was a huge mistake IMO. Especially over a 1 year deal worth barely over 3 mil.

Culliver is a 4th year player so I'm not sure what you mean by that.

even so, he is right. hopefully there's another carlos rogers out there on the market. we will be hurting bad if we don't have at LEAST 3 good corners going into the season.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Our CB's are going to get picked on like crazy. Brock wont even be thrown at. Culliver is coming off his rookie season and an injured reserve year, and after that its Wright, Cook, and Morris.

I dont care who we draft, rookie CB's are rarely ever effective. If anything they get tested on every passing play. Letting Thurmond get away was a huge mistake IMO. Especially over a 1 year deal worth barely over 3 mil.

Umm Culliver's rookie season was 2011, 12 he was stout. We can't comment on letting Thurmond go being a mistake. He has missed 26 games in his short career, anyways there are some good DB's in this draft, and all of them would fill the #3 spot very nicely. 95% of our team is and has been built from drafting, and i think our track record is pretty darn good given we have made 3 straight NFC Championship games.
If cully comes back to the 12 form then damnit we are looking sexy

IF and I mean IF Earl Bennett is cut what would every think if we brought him in to play the slot while a rookie, even if it is a 1st rounder(@30 or trade up) learns for a bit?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/18/earl-bennett-refuses-pay-cut-which-could-mean-he-is-cut/

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Our CB's are going to get picked on like crazy. Brock wont even be thrown at. Culliver is coming off his rookie season and an injured reserve year, and after that its Wright, Cook, and Morris.

I dont care who we draft, rookie CB's are rarely ever effective. If anything they get tested on every passing play. Letting Thurmond get away was a huge mistake IMO. Especially over a 1 year deal worth barely over 3 mil.

Culliver is a 4th year player so I'm not sure what you mean by that.

even so, he is right. hopefully there's another carlos rogers out there on the market. we will be hurting bad if we don't have at LEAST 3 good corners going into the season.

I don't think he's right. IMO, it's addition by subtraction in letting Brown/Rogers walk.

Brown was an "ok" corner at best and we all saw how little traction he got on the open market.

Rogers was average on his best days and awful when it counted the most (anybody sign him yet???). I can't see Eric Wright with OTAs and a full training camp under his belt being much worse than Rogers in the slot (though I admit that's debatable). More importantly, I see us targeting guys like Dennard or Verrett in the draft, which may not be perfect in year one, but will bring much more overall talent, speed, passion and playmaking potential to that position than did Rogers.

Regarding Culliver, he's a bigger-bodied corner (unlike Brown) who, if Fangio calls for it, can play press-man coverage as opposed to the off-man coverage we had to play with Brown. So I can see him being very effective in that role...and he would've had an entire year to rehab his injury. If he would've gotten injured sometime during the season, I can see why some would worry as that's not a large enough window. An entire calendar year is about as ideal as NFL players can get for rehabbing an ACL.

I wanted Thurmond but I'm not going to act like he was our savior. Thurmond played behind an outstanding front seven just like our corners will next season.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I don't think he's right. IMO, it's addition by subtraction in letting Brown/Rogers walk.

Brown was an "ok" corner at best and we all saw how little traction he got on the open market.

Rogers was average on his best days and awful when it counted the most (anybody sign him yet???). I can't see Eric Wright with OTAs and a full training camp under his belt being much worse than Rogers in the slot (though I admit that's debatable). More importantly, I see us targeting guys like Dennard or Verrett in the draft, which may not be perfect in year one, but will bring much more overall talent, speed, passion and playmaking potential to that position than did Rogers.

Regarding Culliver, he's a bigger-bodied corner (unlike Brown) who, if Fangio calls for it, can play press-man coverage as opposed to the off-man coverage we had to play with Brown. So I can see him being very effective in that role...and he would've had an entire year to rehab his injury. If he would've gotten injured sometime during the season, I can see why some would worry as that's not a large enough window. An entire calendar year is about as ideal as NFL players can get for rehabbing an ACL.

If you look at Seattle as an example, they don't hide away their younger players, they throw them out there and basically let them sink or swim. Someone gets injured? Next man up. They do a great job of developing their players and in fairness, so do the 49ers. I think a younger guy stepping in on either of these two teams is a far cry from a rookie having to move into the starting lineup for the Raiders or Dolphins.


Speed is one of the crucial ways that I've seen Seattle utilize to overcome the natural deficiencies that can exist with a younger player. They have some really young linebackers and those guys will make an error from time to time but they fly around the field so fast that they have a good chance to overcome or at least mitigate their mistake using their outstanding athleticism. If you bring in a guy like Verrett, right from the get-go you've just gotten a lot faster, a lot quicker and a lot more dynamic at the slot corner spot than with Rogers in there, that goes a LONG way towards evening out the experience imbalance.

Originally posted by sfout:
IF and I mean IF Earl Bennett is cut what would every think if we brought him in to play the slot while a rookie, even if it is a 1st rounder(@30 or trade up) learns for a bit?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/18/earl-bennett-refuses-pay-cut-which-could-mean-he-is-cut/

I say go with the rookie. If you bring in a guy like Fuller or Verrett, they've shown enough ability coming out of college that I think they could do a good job right off the bat. Sure you'll have some growing pains but those are the things that help a player improve and the extra infusion of speed and athleticism would be most welcome, 49ers would enter the season with a much more athletic and much more physical secondary overall than they had this past season.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I say go with the rookie. If you bring in a guy like Fuller or Verrett, they've shown enough ability coming out of college that I think they could do a good job right off the bat. Sure you'll have some growing pains but those are the things that help a player improve and the extra infusion of speed and athleticism would be most welcome, 49ers would enter the season with a much more athletic and much more physical secondary overall than they had this past season.

crazy fool Phoenix. Bennett plays offense. You go talking about D

Originally posted by sfout:
crazy fool Phoenix. Bennett plays offense. You go talking about D

Sorry was just skimming through, was up all night finishing up a work project, now I'm halfway on the verge of slipping to a coma, only highly unhealthy amounts of energy drinks are keeping me awake right now. But the same principle applies. I don't see the need for another free agent WR, I think Patton has shown enough promise that to go along with a rookie or two, he should be able to get whatever snaps Crabtree and Boldin don't hog up. I really want to see him have a chance to develop and I don't he gets that from sitting on the bench and sharing snaps with a guy who won't be around for more than a year or two at best.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Sorry was just skimming through, was up all night finishing up a work project, now I'm halfway on the verge of slipping to a coma, only highly unhealthy amounts of energy drinks are keeping me awake right now. But the same principle applies. I don't see the need for another free agent WR, I think Patton has shown enough promise that to go along with a rookie or two, he should be able to get whatever snaps Crabtree and Boldin don't hog up. I really want to see him have a chance to develop and I don't he gets that from sitting on the bench and sharing snaps with a guy who won't be around for more than a year or two at best.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by sfout:
crazy fool Phoenix. Bennett plays offense. You go talking about D

Sorry was just skimming through, was up all night finishing up a work project, now I'm halfway on the verge of slipping to a coma, only highly unhealthy amounts of energy drinks are keeping me awake right now. But the same principle applies. I don't see the need for another free agent WR, I think Patton has shown enough promise that to go along with a rookie or two, he should be able to get whatever snaps Crabtree and Boldin don't hog up. I really want to see him have a chance to develop and I don't he gets that from sitting on the bench and sharing snaps with a guy who won't be around for more than a year or two at best.

Originally posted by sfout:
crazy fool Phoenix. Bennett plays offense. You go talking about D

Patton doesn't have deep speed, good possession receiver, will get shutdown quickly.

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
Patton doesn't have deep speed, good possession receiver, will get shutdown quickly.

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Usually when someone isn't willing to take a pay cut they arent a player we would be looking at. We would probably pay them less not more. The bad teams out there will pay him ore than what he got with the Bears while we will offer less most likely. I'm good with going into the draft and getting a CB (verrett/fuller, trade up a tad) and a WR (matthews, beckham, trade up from 56) over signing someone like Bennett for a year or two. At a certain point all these 1 year deals hinder our young guys and don't let us continue to build for the future.

As for Jackson it would probably just be a nibble. Probably a what do you want and then a ok, hang up. Yeah doubt we trade for him and then pay him 10 million a year and hear him b***h about not getting enough. I'd rather put that money towards Crabtree who keeps his mouth shut.