Vincent Jackson is the missing piece for the 49ers

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Oh and VJax will be 29 next season. He's 6'5'' and real athletic, I don't think he'll decline too much in his early 30s. IMO we'd be lucky to get either VJax or Colston.

He'll turn 30 the week after the season ends, had it backwards with Colston will turn 29 in 3 months. Jackson's physicality is the only reason I would want him at this point.

lol for real? So you wouldn't want a 6'5'' WR who can jump real high and runs good routes and has good hands? WRs are effective after 30 all the time. TO, Steve Smith, Jerry, Chris Carter, Plaxico, etc. VJax is a beast he will be fine for the next 4 years.

Rice was very effective after 30. IMO Vincent Jackson can be real effective from say 29 - 33. Sign him to a 5 year deal. Last year is an option year to protect the team. I think he can be high end for 4 at least. You can't teach 6'5" 240 lbs. and fast and physical and muscle DB's for the ball. There are only so many guys like that. He's even bigger than Colston. He's king sized with good speed.

Eh would rather have Desean Jackson than any of these guys.....

Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Eh would rather have Desean Jackson than any of these guys.....

Nope. Don't want a quitter on my team. Imagine the first time Alex doesn't throw a perfect pass how much he will pout and not run his routes full speed.

Vincent Jackson is not THAT sick. I think he averages something like 52 receiving yards per game throughout his career and I hear all this talk about how he would be this amazing red zone receiver, yet he's never had double digit TD's in his career. All this with Phil Rivers, arguably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the NFL since '06, being the QB there...

Originally posted by andes14:
Vincent Jackson is not THAT sick. I think he averages something like 52 receiving yards per game throughout his career and I hear all this talk about how he would be this amazing red zone receiver, yet he's never had double digit TD's in his career. All this with Phil Rivers, arguably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the NFL since '06, being the QB there...

He's not the 3rd or 4th best QB. He had 20 interceptions and 5 fumbles. 25 turnovers. His team lost the division and didn't make the playoffs. At this point he's overrated.

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) Manning when healthy
5) Eli - 2 Super Bowl wins now. Hard to call him not elite.
6) Roethlisburger

You can shift the first 3 around in a different order. But I don't see Rivers as top 5.

if he doesnt demand much money then im all aboard

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's not the 3rd or 4th best QB. He had 20 interceptions and 5 fumbles. 25 turnovers. His team lost the division and didn't make the playoffs. At this point he's overrated.

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) Manning when healthy
5) Eli - 2 Super Bowl wins now. Hard to call him not elite.
6) Roethlisburger

You can shift the first 3 around in a different order. But I don't see Rivers as top 5.

i wouldnt really call big ben elite he is greeat though

but this proves that VJ is the type of WR that goes up and fights for the ball rivers was a gunslinger and without VJ all the int piled up

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by andes14:
Vincent Jackson is not THAT sick. I think he averages something like 52 receiving yards per game throughout his career and I hear all this talk about how he would be this amazing red zone receiver, yet he's never had double digit TD's in his career. All this with Phil Rivers, arguably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the NFL since '06, being the QB there...

He's not the 3rd or 4th best QB. He had 20 interceptions and 5 fumbles. 25 turnovers. His team lost the division and didn't make the playoffs. At this point he's overrated.

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) Manning when healthy
5) Eli - 2 Super Bowl wins now. Hard to call him not elite.
6) Roethlisburger

You can shift the first 3 around in a different order. But I don't see Rivers as top 5.

While I agree that he's not a top 5 QB especially after this year(although it doesn't help that he has no defense and lost sproles), his arm >>>>>>>> Alex's arm. Take Vjax out of a passing offense that throws 500+ times a year for 4600+ yards and let alex throw to him and then we can all complain about how he's not a 1000 yd receiver.

I'd rather get the leftovers in free agency and continue to build through the draft. I still don't think we're just a jackson away from having a drew brees or rivers passing offense. Alex can't take advantage of a deep threat even if we do have one, he'll just under throw them.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
i wouldnt really call big ben elite he is greeat though

but this proves that VJ is the type of WR that goes up and fights for the ball rivers was a gunslinger and without VJ all the int piled up

Jackson played all 16 games last year and rivers threw 20 ints. Huh?

He was missing sproles, and they should have stuck with LT for a little longer before giving the run game to fumble machine Mathews.

Originally posted by mike:

While I agree that he's not a top 5 QB especially after this year(although it doesn't help that he has no defense and lost sproles), his arm >>>>>>>> Alex's arm. Take Vjax out of a passing offense that throws 500+ times a year for 4600+ yards and let alex throw to him and then we can all complain about how he's not a 1000 yd receiver.

I'd rather get the leftovers in free agency and continue to build through the draft. I still don't think we're just a jackson away from having a drew brees or rivers passing offense. Alex can't take advantage of a deep threat even if we do have one, he'll just under throw them.

Kaepernick could hit em deep, he was throwing in 60 yards threw the uprights...

Originally posted by CRABTREE:
Kaepernick could hit em deep, he was throwing in 60 yards threw the uprights...

alex was 4-8 on deep basses this year (30 to 50 yards)

brees was 8-15
rodgers was 7-12
brady 0-9

he was on par with the elite qbs in nfl without a deep threat

and kaep has a great arm but his accuracy sucks (or so the scouting report says) on the deep throws

i mean jamarcuss russel could throw 60 yards on his knees (not comparing the 2 just saying that arm strength isnt everything)

Originally posted by mike:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by andes14:
Vincent Jackson is not THAT sick. I think he averages something like 52 receiving yards per game throughout his career and I hear all this talk about how he would be this amazing red zone receiver, yet he's never had double digit TD's in his career. All this with Phil Rivers, arguably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the NFL since '06, being the QB there...

He's not the 3rd or 4th best QB. He had 20 interceptions and 5 fumbles. 25 turnovers. His team lost the division and didn't make the playoffs. At this point he's overrated.

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) Manning when healthy
5) Eli - 2 Super Bowl wins now. Hard to call him not elite.
6) Roethlisburger

You can shift the first 3 around in a different order. But I don't see Rivers as top 5.

While I agree that he's not a top 5 QB especially after this year(although it doesn't help that he has no defense and lost sproles), his arm >>>>>>>> Alex's arm. Take Vjax out of a passing offense that throws 500+ times a year for 4600+ yards and let alex throw to him and then we can all complain about how he's not a 1000 yd receiver.

I'd rather get the leftovers in free agency and continue to build through the draft. I still don't think we're just a jackson away from having a drew brees or rivers passing offense. Alex can't take advantage of a deep threat even if we do have one, he'll just under throw them.

I said since '06. Meaning for 6 seasons, Jackson has played with one of the top 3 or 4 QB's, which Rivers is. I'm not just talking about 2011.

Originally posted by mike:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by andes14:
Vincent Jackson is not THAT sick. I think he averages something like 52 receiving yards per game throughout his career and I hear all this talk about how he would be this amazing red zone receiver, yet he's never had double digit TD's in his career. All this with Phil Rivers, arguably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the NFL since '06, being the QB there...

He's not the 3rd or 4th best QB. He had 20 interceptions and 5 fumbles. 25 turnovers. His team lost the division and didn't make the playoffs. At this point he's overrated.

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) Manning when healthy
5) Eli - 2 Super Bowl wins now. Hard to call him not elite.
6) Roethlisburger

You can shift the first 3 around in a different order. But I don't see Rivers as top 5.

While I agree that he's not a top 5 QB especially after this year(although it doesn't help that he has no defense and lost sproles), his arm >>>>>>>> Alex's arm. Take Vjax out of a passing offense that throws 500+ times a year for 4600+ yards and let alex throw to him and then we can all complain about how he's not a 1000 yd receiver.

I'd rather get the leftovers in free agency and continue to build through the draft. I still don't think we're just a jackson away from having a drew brees or rivers passing offense. Alex can't take advantage of a deep threat even if we do have one, he'll just under throw them.

He seems to hit VD deep just fine for years and years now. His 965 yard and 13 TD year included lots of deep balls from Alex. This years playoffs Alex to VD deep had a lot of action. Give him a legitimate target and he will hit it deep. Some of his deep balls are throw aways. He throws it where only the WR can get it or go out of bounds. It's just about taking more chances.

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by mike:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by andes14:
Vincent Jackson is not THAT sick. I think he averages something like 52 receiving yards per game throughout his career and I hear all this talk about how he would be this amazing red zone receiver, yet he's never had double digit TD's in his career. All this with Phil Rivers, arguably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the NFL since '06, being the QB there...

He's not the 3rd or 4th best QB. He had 20 interceptions and 5 fumbles. 25 turnovers. His team lost the division and didn't make the playoffs. At this point he's overrated.

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) Manning when healthy
5) Eli - 2 Super Bowl wins now. Hard to call him not elite.
6) Roethlisburger

You can shift the first 3 around in a different order. But I don't see Rivers as top 5.

While I agree that he's not a top 5 QB especially after this year(although it doesn't help that he has no defense and lost sproles), his arm >>>>>>>> Alex's arm. Take Vjax out of a passing offense that throws 500+ times a year for 4600+ yards and let alex throw to him and then we can all complain about how he's not a 1000 yd receiver.

I'd rather get the leftovers in free agency and continue to build through the draft. I still don't think we're just a jackson away from having a drew brees or rivers passing offense. Alex can't take advantage of a deep threat even if we do have one, he'll just under throw them.

I said since '06. Meaning for 6 seasons, Jackson has played with one of the top 3 or 4 QB's, which Rivers is. I'm not just talking about 2011.

How is he a top 3 QB? I gave you 6 that are better. Making him no better than 7th at best. You massively overrate Rivers. What Super Bowls has he won? Maybe I missed it. The lord of no rings.... King of 20 interception seasons and fumbling the snap to lose games.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by mike:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by andes14:
Vincent Jackson is not THAT sick. I think he averages something like 52 receiving yards per game throughout his career and I hear all this talk about how he would be this amazing red zone receiver, yet he's never had double digit TD's in his career. All this with Phil Rivers, arguably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the NFL since '06, being the QB there...

He's not the 3rd or 4th best QB. He had 20 interceptions and 5 fumbles. 25 turnovers. His team lost the division and didn't make the playoffs. At this point he's overrated.

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) Manning when healthy
5) Eli - 2 Super Bowl wins now. Hard to call him not elite.
6) Roethlisburger

You can shift the first 3 around in a different order. But I don't see Rivers as top 5.

While I agree that he's not a top 5 QB especially after this year(although it doesn't help that he has no defense and lost sproles), his arm >>>>>>>> Alex's arm. Take Vjax out of a passing offense that throws 500+ times a year for 4600+ yards and let alex throw to him and then we can all complain about how he's not a 1000 yd receiver.

I'd rather get the leftovers in free agency and continue to build through the draft. I still don't think we're just a jackson away from having a drew brees or rivers passing offense. Alex can't take advantage of a deep threat even if we do have one, he'll just under throw them.

I said since '06. Meaning for 6 seasons, Jackson has played with one of the top 3 or 4 QB's, which Rivers is. I'm not just talking about 2011.

How is he a top 3 QB? I gave you 6 that are better. Making him no better than 7th at best. You massively overrate Rivers. What Super Bowls has he won? Maybe I missed it. The lord of no rings.... King of 20 interception seasons and fumbling the snap to lose games.

I kinda disagree with both of you lol. Put Roethlisberger on s**tty San Diego without Steelers D to make plays and with a mediocre run game, and he would seem nowhere as "elite". Heck his 14 ints last season isn't too far off from Rivers and he had fewer touchdowns and yards. Rivers on a Steelers team wouldn't have to single-handedly win as many games.

Then you've got Peyton on that list, who knows if he's still elite after neck surgery.(you judge Rivers so much based on one 20 int season yet have a guy who didn't even play on your list?)

Big Ben of course has the clutch factor in the playoffs that Rivers doesn't have, but when you're talking about statistics that make a WR seem better than he is, YARDS are what inflate things a bit. In YARDS and touchdowns, Rivers is right up there with the best with two 4500+ seasons in a row. I'm sure Vjax could be a useful weapon in our offense, but you can't look at his 1100 yd seasons and say he's getting that here. We throw the ball half as often.

So like I said, I would much rather continue to build through the draft and with cheaper FAs until we've got an offense that is really open and prolific at passing, otherwise it's just not worth it to spend big bucks on a guy whose stats are going to be no better than Crab's.