Jaguars release David Garrard

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by ktate14:
^^^There is a difference though...Garrard actually has been successful in this league....if it about the young guys...wouldn't you rather them learning from a guy who has been successful than a guy who just can't seem to get it right??....I've never bashed Alex and stuck with him for a long time but I'm at the point where I just want W's at any cost...I'm not expecting Garrard to be here for more than 2-3 yrs but if it gets us wins!?! I'm all for it....Whatever they plan to do I'm all for but it just amazes me how the little decisions made can change a season....If we don't draft kap we probably can pick up Garrard right now and who knows....If we don't resign Smith...same thing!...Just these little decisions can really put your franchise back.......I'm intrigued by this Tolzien as well so I wouldn't like to see him cut or try to move him to the PS cause I'm sure he would probably be picked up by someone....

what will they learn from Garrard? I don't understand the "QB as mentor idea." Garrard isn't a coach, so he's not really going to teach them much, IMO. Also, I'm not sure at this point (coming in this late, etc) that Garrard can get us more wins than Smith.

I think that just because a player has had some success in the league doesn't mean that pulling him off the scrap heap is going to lead us to more success. We would have to cut a developmental player like Ian Williams or Colin Jones or something to have a rental of a mediocre QB. Since this franchise is building for the future, and since Garrard doesn't, IMO, give us a better chance to compete than Alex, I see no reason to bring him in.

Yes it does.

Garrard >>> Smith

maybe, but Smith has better command of the offense now than Garrard will have. So we'd have to wait several weeks for them to really compete. in the meantime, we would have to cut a young player at another position. I would like to think that this team is balanced between competing as well as they can this year and looking towards the next several years. Garrard wouldn't help in the long-term (in fact, his signing might hurt in the long-term if we have to lose a player that we would otherwise develop into a role-player) and I'm not sure he'd be better than Smith in the short-term.

If we did sign him (not sure why he would choose us over other options) I would be intrigued and if he started I would root for him, but I really see no reason to be excited about him today, and I still don't see the logic in signing him.

Theres no maybe about it. Garrard is a good QB.

I agree though that Smith has a better command of our offense. But competition and long term success isn't the goal here. It is adding depth at the QB position. If Garrad gets in here right now, he should be ready at the bye week. If Smith is injured or innefective, we will need Garrard to step it up otherwise we'll have Kaeptain Kaeperpick or Tolzeni.

I wouldn't mind cutting some players on our roster. Its not like everyone is starter material like Garrard is. We can always find a backup dime Cornerback.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Theres no maybe about it. Garrard is a good QB.

I agree though that Smith has a better command of our offense. But competition and long term success isn't the goal here. It is adding depth at the QB position. If Garrad gets in here right now, he should be ready at the bye week. If Smith is injured or innefective, we will need Garrard to step it up otherwise we'll have Kaeptain Kaeperpick or Tolzeni.

I wouldn't mind cutting some players on our roster. Its not like everyone is starter material like Garrard is. We can always find a backup dime Cornerback.

if this were a make or break year, you might have a point. we're not in a total rebuild mode, but there are 19 new players on this team, most of them pretty young, so its clear that we're rebuilding and that the eye is one the future. Two rookie Qb's kind of spells how this team is being built, and I'm not sure how Garrard would fit in with that. I think at this point it would be a disruption to whatever chances we have to compete this season. Garrard would have been a great signing immediately after the lockout. Now? Not so much.

Not much better than the chump we have, and our chump knows the system, let the Colts sign him!

If they ever sign him, which is doubtful, the car should be:

Garrard's Green Gremlin of Greatness

So they will probably sign him next week.

I am in the Panthers' Board as well and suggested to hire Garrard so that Newton has not to start from Day 1. Answer from a Jags-Fan:


I have been a Jaguars fan since we came into the league. I pull for Carolina now just because I live here. I can tell you for a fact that David Garrard is not a starter in this league anymore. The truth of the matter is that once the NFL started gameplanning for the guy to throw the ball he regressed. He had one good season. He has, IMO, the best running back in football all around on his team, the best combination of blocking and passing TE in football, teams tried to stop Jones-Drew, and he still couldn't produce. People dislike Romo because he flops at the beginning/end of a season. David Garrard did that, and worse.
2-2 to end last season. Not to mention his west coast problems. The one game he did not have Sims Walker in STL, he went something like 18 of 31 with 0 tds.
0-4 to end 09.
1-6 to end 08.
Even in 07 which statistically was his only nice year in the NFL, he flopped against the Steelers but everyone remembers the 30 yards scramble to end the game. In that game he threw 1 td and 2 picks. He went 9 of 21 for something like 140 yards. He is terrible down the stretch of the season.
Last year if we would have defeated the Colts at the end of the season we would have clinched a playoff spot. We didn't have Jones Drew. Garrard can be good, but he can never step up to great. Factor in that the line last year was worse than the Jaguars line and you have a recipe for disaster. Then factor in if WR drop the ball or the line misses a block, and David will throw them under the bus publicly, and you want Cam to learn from him? Not a chance.
It would be utterly stupid to bring him here.

^ didn't read, lol.

Originally posted by communist:

I am in the Panthers' Board as well and suggested to hire Garrard so that Newton has not to start from Day 1. Answer from a Jags-Fan:


I have been a Jaguars fan since we came into the league. I pull for Carolina now just because I live here. I can tell you for a fact that David Garrard is not a starter in this league anymore. The truth of the matter is that once the NFL started gameplanning for the guy to throw the ball he regressed. He had one good season. He has, IMO, the best running back in football all around on his team, the best combination of blocking and passing TE in football, teams tried to stop Jones-Drew, and he still couldn't produce. People dislike Romo because he flops at the beginning/end of a season. David Garrard did that, and worse.
2-2 to end last season. Not to mention his west coast problems. The one game he did not have Sims Walker in STL, he went something like 18 of 31 with 0 tds.
0-4 to end 09.
1-6 to end 08.
Even in 07 which statistically was his only nice year in the NFL, he flopped against the Steelers but everyone remembers the 30 yards scramble to end the game. In that game he threw 1 td and 2 picks. He went 9 of 21 for something like 140 yards. He is terrible down the stretch of the season.
Last year if we would have defeated the Colts at the end of the season we would have clinched a playoff spot. We didn't have Jones Drew. Garrard can be good, but he can never step up to great. Factor in that the line last year was worse than the Jaguars line and you have a recipe for disaster. Then factor in if WR drop the ball or the line misses a block, and David will throw them under the bus publicly, and you want Cam to learn from him? Not a chance.
It would be utterly stupid to bring him here.

Looks like the only team that would really want him then would be Cincy or Miami. They're the only places where he couldn't create a worse situation, and still start. Wonder if he'll take a back-up job. He was after all behind Leftwich for some time.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Nah. Doubt he'll come here. Not to say that for us it wouldn't be a good move or something. If Alex faltered, we could lock up Garrard for 2011 and continue to let Kaepernick learn. But again, seriously doubt Garrard goes to the opposite side of the country when he could start in an instant for a team in his own backyard.

Not only is Henne terrible -- even worse than Alex, despite having Pro Bowl OL and WR -- they have no one behind him that has any real future. We are very much attached to Kaepernick and probably Tolzien right now. The Dolphins have only two QB's on their active roster. We know the first.. but the other? Matt Moore. Yeah. Garrard to Miami makes a TON of sense right now for all of these reasons.

If this happens, we should get Matt Moore

Originally posted by Bobbi9698:
If this happens, we should get Matt Moore

I was saying we should have picked him up the second they drafted scam newton.

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

I was saying we should have picked him up the second they drafted scam newton.

We tried signing Matt Moore this offseason, but by the time we reached out to him, he already made a decision to sign with the Dolphins.

I think Barrows or Maiocco reported that.

No logical 49ers fan would want David Garrard. Sure he's better than anything we have to offer but let's not dismiss the notion that at this point we are definitely in a Top-10 pool of teams in the running for Andrew Luck. It's in the back of everybody's head no doubt! Now I'm not pro-tanking the season but the fact is we should ride this storm out. Let's FINALLY bring an end to this "Dark Age" and see it out with Alex Smith under Center. No more excuses!

Originally posted by sf49ersx11:
No logical 49ers fan would want David Garrard. Sure he's better than anything we have to offer but let's not dismiss the notion that at this point we are definitely in a Top-10 pool of teams in the running for Andrew Luck. It's in the back of everybody's head no doubt! Now I'm not pro-tanking the season but the fact is we should ride this storm out. Let's FINALLY bring an end to this "Dark Age" and see it out with Alex Smith under Center. No more excuses!

we are in the nfc west dude, we will not have enough losses to pick in the top 5.

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by sf49ersx11:
No logical 49ers fan would want David Garrard. Sure he's better than anything we have to offer but let's not dismiss the notion that at this point we are definitely in a Top-10 pool of teams in the running for Andrew Luck. It's in the back of everybody's head no doubt! Now I'm not pro-tanking the season but the fact is we should ride this storm out. Let's FINALLY bring an end to this "Dark Age" and see it out with Alex Smith under Center. No more excuses!

we are in the nfc west dude, we will not have enough losses to pick in the top 5.

Washington Redskins and Seattle Seahawks are the two most likely teams to end up with the Top Pick in the NFC. The Cincinnati Bengals will finish last in their division and may possibly be in the running as well even though they have Andy Dalton and dropped a 2nd rounder on him. The Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins are dark horses in this matter as well. I doubt any AFC team finishes worse. So yeah your right but who knows maybe the Colts finish dead last....

Originally posted by sf49ersx11:
Washington Redskins and Seattle Seahawks are the two most likely teams to end up with the Top Pick in the NFC. The Cincinnati Bengals will finish last in their division and may possibly be in the running as well even though they have Andy Dalton and dropped a 2nd rounder on him. The Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins are dark horses in this matter as well. I doubt any AFC team finishes worse. So yeah your right but who knows maybe the Colts finish dead last....

Colts + kerry collins are good for at least 7 wins, with some luck they get 8. Plust their division minus the texans is just as bad as ours now.

Worst records this year imo.
1. bills- Even if Fitzpatrick does good, I don't think they can pass on luck.
2. bengals- They have Dalton, but same as the bills, can you really pass on luck when your qb situation isn't 100% set?
3. broncos- Have orton, and tebow, and will prob not be looking for a qb.
4. Dolphins- Will probably go for luck if available, but I don't see them jumping up.
5. Panthers- Got scam newton.
6. Redskins- Maybe
7. Seahawks- After tjax flames out, they will def want luck or barkley.

So I'm hoping someone else grabs luck, (please redskins) but I feel he will end up in our division.