qb trades/fa in nfc west

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Is Pennington worth looking at and investing in. If yes, what would the cost be and how do you all feel he'll do?

god no

Im not too worried about arizona because they have a lot of holes too fix. Seattle scares me if they do upgrade their Qb because it is always tough to play there. the rams as well. we play them good but bradford looks like the real deal. in his first year under a defense minded coach he looked good and won some important games and lost his WR's for most of the year. we can only control us though. on paper we are the most talented and youngest team. the coach needs to help those young players to play smart, mistake free football. then our Qb needs to be a leader. hopefully it's palmer, although cincy chooses where to trade him. he might like SF but they might trade him to minnesota just to screw him since that's what he's doing to them. if we want him then we will have to offer something above and beyond the other teams.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Is Pennington worth looking at and investing in. If yes, what would the cost be and how do you all feel he'll do?

Pennington is very accurate and could fit the WCO.....I loved him on the jets.

Originally posted by Snider8706:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Is Pennington worth looking at and investing in. If yes, what would the cost be and how do you all feel he'll do?

Pennington is very accurate and could fit the WCO.....I loved him on the jets.

Last time he commented it was to say he felt it was time to retire due to multiple injuries to this throwing shoulder.

In his final games with Miami his velocity was noticeably down.

Not a reasonable answer.

Originally posted by cgida:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
There is a chance Palmer, Kolbe, and Mcnabb will all play in the NFC west.
Kolbe as a Seahawk
Palmer as a Niner
McNabb as a Cardinal.

All teams are looking, Seattle has already been discussing trades with Philly (last season) Palmer has expressed interest in coming to the Bay Area, and Mcnabb is the kind of Vet the cards need.

Will it happen, maybe, point is it could happen. What a great season we would have in the NFC west if it did!

He has not expressed anything outside of a trade from Cincinatti. Don't put words out there without proper proof.

Mike Brown is a very stubborn man who has set a precedent of NOT yielding to player demands: Ochocinco. Since Chad is still on that team, for Brown to yield to Palmer would set off another very public fuss with #85. I just don't see that happening. Palmer isn't a publicity dog like Chad. He doesn't need the spotlight anymore. He just finished an MBA degree from Harvard. That is worth a lot of money and a strong future with a major business entity. I see no reason he would return to Cincy and am convinced Brown won't trade him. Cincy has made it well known multiple times in multiple sources that they consider Palmer retired.

If the Rams pick up a WR threat to go with Amendola and Bradford, their young, improving defense will be a major obstacle to the 49ers getting into the playoffs. So while it remains to be seen how Bradford does without Pat Shurmur, they are a better team than some here recognize.

AZ will draft a QB in the first round. All the rest of this stuff is a smokescreen. Be it Newton or Gabbert, if either is available at #5, they will grab him. The FO there is bright enough to know that Kolb isn't worth the draft choices and Orton is behind the peak of his career. They have Skelton and Hall as stop gaps, and though that is not a great solution, it is better than sending high draft picks in search of an unproven player or someone on the backside of their career.

That leaves Seattle as the most likely choice and if they can convince Hasselback to stay, they will not be in that chase either. They will go after their future QB in the 2nd round.

AZ, despite what I just said, is the wild card. They could also say Skelton is the future and needs McNabb to get them through next season when Skelton will take over. McNabb lives in the Phoenix area and would likely give a discount to stay and play there.

Originally posted by elguapo:
This is more important than anything to the niners. Right now even with alex smith we have the most talent and are the best team in our division on offense And defense.

With kolb palmer and mcnabb out there its going to be a lot harder to win the division with any of these qbs going to sea and ariz. Yes sea and ariz are horrible on d but if ariz gets any one of those qbs fitz and breaston and company are going to be a challenge again. Sea has hasslebeck but when he is done this year or the next....say if they get mcnabb or kolb or palmer we are going to have trouble beating them....especially at their home where we always struggle.

If ariz or sea get one of these qbs we are in some trouble although with a new offensive coach who is actually smart and our good d led by willis we should still win the division. This would make it all the more harder.
As far as the rams go.....bradford may become a good qb although he was rated behind smith and hasslebeck with a better ol and the shortest passing game i have seen in at least 20 years......im not worried about the rams. People seem to forget they just lost their best player on d and lond is their only player worth mentioning. Their offense has not one playmaker and their secondary has to be among the worst in the league now maybe the worst with their fs leaving. And yes jackson is a good rb but by no means a playmaker just a solid workhorse.

Just wanted to see what you thought about who may be getting what qbs and what are the niners chances if they do?

The only one I think wouldn't hurt us is McNabb to Arizona or Seattle. He's pretty much done. Most people on here think Kolb and Palmer suck (I am not among them), so I doubt many people on here are worried about Arizona or Seattle getting any of those guys.

Originally posted by Super5:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:

Originally posted by elguapo:
This is more important than anything to the niners. Right now even with alex smith we have the most talent and are the best team in our division on offense And defense.

With kolb palmer and mcnabb out there its going to be a lot harder to win the division with any of these qbs going to sea and ariz. Yes sea and ariz are horrible on d but if ariz gets any one of those qbs fitz and breaston and company are going to be a challenge again. Sea has hasslebeck but when he is done this year or the next....say if they get mcnabb or kolb or palmer we are going to have trouble beating them....especially at their home where we always struggle.

If ariz or sea get one of these qbs we are in some trouble although with a new offensive coach who is actually smart and our good d led by willis we should still win the division. This would make it all the more harder.
As far as the rams go.....bradford may become a good qb although he was rated behind smith and hasslebeck with a better ol and the shortest passing game i have seen in at least 20 years......im not worried about the rams. People seem to forget they just lost their best player on d and lond is their only player worth mentioning. Their offense has not one playmaker and their secondary has to be among the worst in the league now maybe the worst with their fs leaving. And yes jackson is a good rb but by no means a playmaker just a solid workhorse.

Just wanted to see what you thought about who may be getting what qbs and what are the niners chances if they do?

That is what everybody said last year. Alex Smith won't get it done. I dont care who the coach is; if you are not accurate, you will not succeed.

You should care because the new coach is Jim Harbaugh who has proven thus far he can develop QB's.Whichever QB he & Balke decide on,us fans should have some confidence he will know what he's doing

He's never developed an already-broken QB. Alex is already damaged goods. You can blame that on previous coaches or schemes or whatever. In the end, the only thing that matters is he's battered mentally.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Super5:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:

Originally posted by elguapo:
This is more important than anything to the niners. Right now even with alex smith we have the most talent and are the best team in our division on offense And defense.

With kolb palmer and mcnabb out there its going to be a lot harder to win the division with any of these qbs going to sea and ariz. Yes sea and ariz are horrible on d but if ariz gets any one of those qbs fitz and breaston and company are going to be a challenge again. Sea has hasslebeck but when he is done this year or the next....say if they get mcnabb or kolb or palmer we are going to have trouble beating them....especially at their home where we always struggle.

If ariz or sea get one of these qbs we are in some trouble although with a new offensive coach who is actually smart and our good d led by willis we should still win the division. This would make it all the more harder.
As far as the rams go.....bradford may become a good qb although he was rated behind smith and hasslebeck with a better ol and the shortest passing game i have seen in at least 20 years......im not worried about the rams. People seem to forget they just lost their best player on d and lond is their only player worth mentioning. Their offense has not one playmaker and their secondary has to be among the worst in the league now maybe the worst with their fs leaving. And yes jackson is a good rb but by no means a playmaker just a solid workhorse.

Just wanted to see what you thought about who may be getting what qbs and what are the niners chances if they do?

That is what everybody said last year. Alex Smith won't get it done. I dont care who the coach is; if you are not accurate, you will not succeed.

You should care because the new coach is Jim Harbaugh who has proven thus far he can develop QB's.Whichever QB he & Balke decide on,us fans should have some confidence he will know what he's doing

He's never developed an already-broken QB. Alex is already damaged goods. You can blame that on previous coaches or schemes or whatever. In the end, the only thing that matters is he's battered mentally.

knock knock,anybody home???

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
There is a chance Palmer, Kolbe, and Mcnabb will all play in the NFC west.
Kolbe as a Seahawk
Palmer as a Niner
McNabb as a Cardinal.

All teams are looking, Seattle has already been discussing trades with Philly (last season) Palmer has expressed interest in coming to the Bay Area, and Mcnabb is the kind of Vet the cards need.

Will it happen, maybe, point is it could happen. What a great season we would have in the NFC west if it did!

Kolbe?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Is Pennington worth looking at and investing in. If yes, what would the cost be and how do you all feel he'll do?

god no

Cost= 5 dollars/year
performance=knocked out for the year first snap of the preseason with a shoulder injury

Originally posted by modninerfan:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
There is a chance Palmer, Kolbe, and Mcnabb will all play in the NFC west.
Kolbe as a Seahawk
Palmer as a Niner
McNabb as a Cardinal.

All teams are looking, Seattle has already been discussing trades with Philly (last season) Palmer has expressed interest in coming to the Bay Area, and Mcnabb is the kind of Vet the cards need.

Will it happen, maybe, point is it could happen. What a great season we would have in the NFC west if it did!

Kolbe?

when did he leave the lakers for the NFL?

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Thats what I say. If we could be dominant in just one area consistently then it would help out the entire team a lot. I mean every other team outside the NFC West seem to have at least one part that can get it done regardless of how the other side of the ball does. If their D sucks, the O can always get it done. IF the O sucks, then the D can consistently lock teams down, to at least keep the game close, so the O doesnt have to worry about scoring tons of points.

With our squad neither side of the ball could work consistently. Then when everyone praised the Defense, they excluded the fact that the teams best stops came against the sub par teams. And when we played proven teams, even after the O kept them in the game, they just got beat. I'll say 4 of our losses came at the helm of the D not being able to stop when it counted the most.

Overall I dont think it matters which QB we get because we'll have a HC that knows how to adjust and revolve the game around a QB's strengths. I dont care too much about what the QB cant do, I care more about the things that he can, and then capitalize on that. Just like I hear with Cam Newton.

On Nfl network each commentator agreed that Newton can def get the job done, if a team can plan the offense around what he does best. If you know a player has a weakness, the part of being a good coach is not putting the Qb in a position to fail.

Mcnabb or maybe Palmer, but Kolb can stay in Philly. We can pretend to say what he can or cant do, but he hasnt proved anything either. And no more added QB's who havent done s**t in the NFL. That time has come and gone. So I think either they bring Smith back, because he was better than most of the QB's mentioned and at least one of the top 3 in QB F/A's this summer, or bring in a PROVEN vet.

Either way I trust our HC and if he thinks he can get the job done, then i support any Qb decision he makes 100%.

I agree with you on setting one side of the ball up to be dominant. I think we go heavy on the D side of things this year. Would love to drop Manny and Nate and go after Nnamdi. Then get Von or Quinn and then maybe a Brooks Reed or Dontay Moch in the 2nd round. We'd have a monster D that could cause all sorts of problems for other teams.

Jim installs the WCO and watchs our current O players and decides who to keep and who doesn't fit. Next year we go all O in FA and draft.

Originally posted by elguapo:
This is more important than anything to the niners. Right now even with alex smith we have the most talent and are the best team in our division on offense And defense.

With kolb palmer and mcnabb out there its going to be a lot harder to win the division with any of these qbs going to sea and ariz. Yes sea and ariz are horrible on d but if ariz gets any one of those qbs fitz and breaston and company are going to be a challenge again. Sea has hasslebeck but when he is done this year or the next....say if they get mcnabb or kolb or palmer we are going to have trouble beating them....especially at their home where we always struggle.

If ariz or sea get one of these qbs we are in some trouble although with a new offensive coach who is actually smart and our good d led by willis we should still win the division. This would make it all the more harder.
As far as the rams go.....bradford may become a good qb although he was rated behind smith and hasslebeck with a better ol and the shortest passing game i have seen in at least 20 years......im not worried about the rams. People seem to forget they just lost their best player on d and lond is their only player worth mentioning. Their offense has not one playmaker and their secondary has to be among the worst in the league now maybe the worst with their fs leaving. And yes jackson is a good rb but by no means a playmaker just a solid workhorse.

Just wanted to see what you thought about who may be getting what qbs and what are the niners chances if they do?

Alex Smith starting at QB automatically makes us the 2nd worst or worst team in the NFC west. Bradford > hasselback > Alex smith > whoever the cardinals QB is. If the Cards manage to pick up a solid FA QB, we will have the worst QB in the NFC west, and bottom 5 starting QB in the entire league.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by cgida:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
There is a chance Palmer, Kolbe, and Mcnabb will all play in the NFC west.
Kolbe as a Seahawk
Palmer as a Niner
McNabb as a Cardinal.

All teams are looking, Seattle has already been discussing trades with Philly (last season) Palmer has expressed interest in coming to the Bay Area, and Mcnabb is the kind of Vet the cards need.

Will it happen, maybe, point is it could happen. What a great season we would have in the NFC west if it did!

He has not expressed anything outside of a trade from Cincinatti. Don't put words out there without proper proof.

AZ will draft a QB in the first round. All the rest of this stuff is a smokescreen. Be it Newton or Gabbert, if either is available at #5, they will grab him. The FO there is bright enough to know that Kolb isn't worth the draft choices and Orton is behind the peak of his career. They have Skelton and Hall as stop gaps, and though that is not a great solution, it is better than sending high draft picks in search of an unproven player or someone on the backside of their career.

That leaves Seattle as the most likely choice and if they can convince Hasselback to stay, they will not be in that chase either. They will go after their future QB in the 2nd round.

AZ, despite what I just said, is the wild card. They could also say Skelton is the future and needs McNabb to get them through next season when Skelton will take over. McNabb lives in the Phoenix area and would likely give a discount to stay and play there.

You couldn't be more wrong. AZ desperately wants to find another Warner. Whis does not have the time to groom a QB. Other than the SB year, the Cards have disappointed and his seat is starting to get uncomfortably warm.

Now I agree with you that they may take a QB @5, but that will be more due to the uncertainty of the labor agreement than it is their desire to have a rookie QB drafted that high.

Originally posted by bigmike55:

Originally posted by elguapo:
This is more important than anything to the niners. Right now even with alex smith we have the most talent and are the best team in our division on offense And defense.

With kolb palmer and mcnabb out there its going to be a lot harder to win the division with any of these qbs going to sea and ariz. Yes sea and ariz are horrible on d but if ariz gets any one of those qbs fitz and breaston and company are going to be a challenge again. Sea has hasslebeck but when he is done this year or the next....say if they get mcnabb or kolb or palmer we are going to have trouble beating them....especially at their home where we always struggle.

If ariz or sea get one of these qbs we are in some trouble although with a new offensive coach who is actually smart and our good d led by willis we should still win the division. This would make it all the more harder.
As far as the rams go.....bradford may become a good qb although he was rated behind smith and hasslebeck with a better ol and the shortest passing game i have seen in at least 20 years......im not worried about the rams. People seem to forget they just lost their best player on d and lond is their only player worth mentioning. Their offense has not one playmaker and their secondary has to be among the worst in the league now maybe the worst with their fs leaving. And yes jackson is a good rb but by no means a playmaker just a solid workhorse.

Just wanted to see what you thought about who may be getting what qbs and what are the niners chances if they do?

Alex Smith starting at QB automatically makes us the 2nd worst or worst team in the NFC west. Bradford > hasselback > Alex smith > whoever the cardinals QB is. If the Cards manage to pick up a solid FA QB, we will have the worst QB in the NFC west, and bottom 5 starting QB in the entire league.

Quoted for truth.