What Is the Niner's Strategy Re A. Franklin?

Originally posted by walker807:
I wouldn't hate a Smith-Ice-Mcdonald line. Of course that basically leaves RJF as the only legit backup. I would expect them to add depth cheaply rather than get into a bidding war over Franklin.

If Fangio shows the influence of Dom Capers in designing the Niners defense, you'll not see three conventional linemen on the field most of the time (in fact, given the pass-happy teams in the NFC West, you could see the Niners playing 2-4-5 as much as 70% of the time and rotating the DL). That would partly explain some of the players selected in the draft, and may lead to further DB and LB targets in FA.

What bother me is the 49ers of the 1980s and 90s would have signed Franklin given that top level NT are hard to find for a 3-4 defense. If Franklin was playing well, plays well in front of Willis, then pay the man!!

I wouldnt mind Franklin back but only at the right price. I think he wants way more than what we are willing to offer him.

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Free agent NT Aubrayo Franklin is expected to be "at the very top" of the Redskins' offseason wish list.

Previous reports and speculation suggest the 49ers are prepared to move on without Franklin, and that he'll be "Priority A" for Washington. The Skins have more cap room than much of the league, and Franklin would be an immediate fix to last year's Albert Haynesworth disaster. As for Franklin's contract, our projection is $32 million over four seasons, with $15-17 million guaranteed.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2231/player?r=1

Still want him?

The 1980's-90's 49ers probably would look to sign him back then... before the salary cap was created. You saw what happened to us when we paid out big, but then the cap reared its ugly head.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

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Free agent NT Aubrayo Franklin is expected to be "at the very top" of the Redskins' offseason wish list.

Previous reports and speculation suggest the 49ers are prepared to move on without Franklin, and that he'll be "Priority A" for Washington. The Skins have more cap room than much of the league, and Franklin would be an immediate fix to last year's Albert Haynesworth disaster. As for Franklin's contract, our projection is $32 million over four seasons, with $15-17 million guaranteed.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2231/player?r=1

Still want him?

The 1980's-90's 49ers probably would look to sign him back then... before the salary cap was created. You saw what happened to us when we paid out big, but then the cap reared its ugly head.

Looks reasonable and hes worth it. You cant run a 34 without a NT Soap and RJF just arent good enough compared to Franklin either. Was that the contract he refused or a new 1?

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

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Free agent NT Aubrayo Franklin is expected to be "at the very top" of the Redskins' offseason wish list.

Previous reports and speculation suggest the 49ers are prepared to move on without Franklin, and that he'll be "Priority A" for Washington. The Skins have more cap room than much of the league, and Franklin would be an immediate fix to last year's Albert Haynesworth disaster. As for Franklin's contract, [b]our projection is $32 million over four seasons, with $15-17 million guaranteed.[/b]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2231/player?r=1

Still want him?

The 1980's-90's 49ers probably would look to sign him back then... before the salary cap was created. You saw what happened to us when we paid out big, but then the cap reared its ugly head.

Looks reasonable and hes worth it. You cant run a 34 without a NT Soap and RJF just arent good enough compared to Franklin either. Was that the contract he refused or a new 1?

This "offer" was just speculative on the source's part. (see bolded)

It's all about what you think Franklin's effort level will be after he gets the big payday. Also whether a 1 dimensional NT is what is best for our 1-gap scheme. Also whether paying a run stopping NT that much is wise, considering the pass-happy direction the league is going with.

I won't be upset if we pay big for him... but I wouldn't do it if I were Baalke.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

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Free agent NT Aubrayo Franklin is expected to be "at the very top" of the Redskins' offseason wish list.

Previous reports and speculation suggest the 49ers are prepared to move on without Franklin, and that he'll be "Priority A" for Washington. The Skins have more cap room than much of the league, and Franklin would be an immediate fix to last year's Albert Haynesworth disaster. As for Franklin's contract, [b]our projection is $32 million over four seasons, with $15-17 million guaranteed.[/b]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2231/player?r=1

Still want him?

The 1980's-90's 49ers probably would look to sign him back then... before the salary cap was created. You saw what happened to us when we paid out big, but then the cap reared its ugly head.

Looks reasonable and hes worth it. You cant run a 34 without a NT Soap and RJF just arent good enough compared to Franklin either. Was that the contract he refused or a new 1?

This "offer" was just speculative on the source's part. (see bolded)

It's all about what you think Franklin's effort level will be after he gets the big payday. Also whether a 1 dimensional NT is what is best for our 1-gap scheme. Also whether paying a run stopping NT that much is wise, considering the pass-happy direction the league is going with.

I won't be upset if we pay big for him... but I wouldn't do it if I were Baalke.

Franklins effort was fine his conditioning was the issue. Which could have been avoided with a deal cheaper than anything this FA will bring. Had they given him the contract he would have been in football shape week 1. Or broken from the nutcracker drill

The 1 dimesional NT will not fit Fangios scheme. Which is why losing Franklin will hurt if we move Soap back inside. RJF has potential but we should risk our run D, Willis and Smiths peformance on that yet if ever? We shouldnt forget what our DL was like without Franklin either. Now we risk losing him to Wash, Dallas ,Miami or some other team needing a franchise NT like Franklin.

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Franklins effort was fine his conditioning was the issue. Which could have been avoided with a deal cheaper than anything this FA will bring. Had they given him the contract he would have been in football shape week 1. Or broken from the nutcracker drill

The 1 dimesional NT will not fit Fangios scheme. Which is why losing Franklin will hurt if we move Soap back inside. RJF has potential but we should risk our run D, Willis and Smiths peformance on that yet if ever? We shouldnt forget what our DL was like without Franklin either. Now we risk losing him to Wash, Dallas ,Miami or some other team needing a franchise NT like Franklin.

No, can't agree. Franklin is decent against the run, but very rarely makes any impact on the passing game. Either no penetration or no push up the middle to compromise the interior pocket. That is what makes him 1-dimensional.

Is Sopoaga 1-dimensional? Well, the simple answer is that we just don't know. He's never really been asked to be a penetrator. He has only 2-gapped at NT/DE for Nolan/Sing. He was said to have great quickness off the snap, and he can clearly anchor well.... so maybe just maybe he will excel as a 1-gap NT.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Franklins effort was fine his conditioning was the issue. Which could have been avoided with a deal cheaper than anything this FA will bring. Had they given him the contract he would have been in football shape week 1. Or broken from the nutcracker drill

The 1 dimesional NT will not fit Fangios scheme. Which is why losing Franklin will hurt if we move Soap back inside. RJF has potential but we should risk our run D, Willis and Smiths peformance on that yet if ever? We shouldnt forget what our DL was like without Franklin either. Now we risk losing him to Wash, Dallas ,Miami or some other team needing a franchise NT like Franklin.

No, can't agree. Franklin is decent against the run, but very rarely makes any impact on the passing game. Either no penetration or no push up the middle to compromise the interior pocket. That is what makes him 1-dimensional.

Is Sopoaga 1-dimensional? Well, the simple answer is that we just don't know. He's never really been asked to be a penetrator. He has only 2-gapped at NT/DE for Nolan/Sing. He was said to have great quickness off the snap, and he can clearly anchor well.... so maybe just maybe he will excel as a 1-gap NT.

Um how long have u been watching the 49ers or you just fkin with me? We seen Soap at NT and it wasnt pretty. Soap is the definition of 1 dimesional at DT and DE. Soap cant get much penetration at DE why would anyone believe he would be any better at NT a few years later being doubled again.? If Baalke has better sense than McDrunk he will lock up Franklin so we dont have to deal with maybes and what ifs on the DL like we have in the Secondary and OLB. Losing Franklin will be a mistake we can not make in a offseason like this.

Fine... this is not getting through, so I'll give up on it. As always, you will believe what you want and take nothing else in for consideration. No problem.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Fine... this is not getting through, so I'll give up on it. As always, you will believe what you want and take nothing else in for consideration. No problem.

I just dont forget the past is all. So I cant really consider a player becoming something he never was before. Id rather lose Clements, Lawson and Goldson before Franklin. Hes just too important and 34 NTs are as rare players. Not every DT can play the nose as good as Franklin. Those that can are locked up long term by smart teams. Im just hoping this GM is smarter than the last and that York opens the checkbook.

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Fine... this is not getting through, so I'll give up on it. As always, you will believe what you want and take nothing else in for consideration. No problem.

I just dont forget the past is all. So I cant really consider a player becoming something he never was before. Id rather lose Clements, Lawson and Goldson before Franklin. Hes just too important and 34 NTs are as rare players. Not every DT can play the nose as good as Franklin. Those that can are locked up long term by smart teams. Im just hoping this GM is smarter than the last and that York opens the checkbook.

Your right, NT's are rare, but they also took time to learn the position too. So far the only one that comes to mind that stepped right in and dominated from the get go at the NT position has been Vince Wilfork. Since then no rookie or first time starter at the NT position has made quite the impact. Franklin wasn't who he was the first two years starting for us, either was Sione Pouha who filled in nicely for Kris Jenkins making him expendable, or even Paul Soliai. What I'm pretty much getting at is Sopoaga his first year starting at the NT wasn't anything of spectacular yes, but since then hes had to bounce back from NT to DE and only now has he been able to concentrate at one position, now hes being asked to move back inside again.

Now we all should know that a ILB assignments differ from a OLB's in a 3-4 correct?? Well the same goes for D-lineman in a 3-4, penetration is not always asked of them, but its a big plus if they do isn't it. Our D-line is a big part in why we were ranked in the top 15 or so in run defense and our staff has had more than enough time to replace Sopoaga, if he wasn't doing his job don't you think they would've replaced him by now??

Now I'm probably all over the place with the message I'm trying to get across. But in no way do I think Sopoaga is the answer, but only a very serviceable D-lineman that is the least of our worries on defense. Now if you wanna talk about how badly our Safeties have been out of position, now there's something that should be recognized.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Fine... this is not getting through, so I'll give up on it. As always, you will believe what you want and take nothing else in for consideration. No problem.

I just dont forget the past is all. So I cant really consider a player becoming something he never was before. Id rather lose Clements, Lawson and Goldson before Franklin. Hes just too important and 34 NTs are as rare players. Not every DT can play the nose as good as Franklin. Those that can are locked up long term by smart teams. Im just hoping this GM is smarter than the last and that York opens the checkbook.

Your right, NT's are rare, but they also took time to learn the position too. So far the only one that comes to mind that stepped right in and dominated from the get go at the NT position has been Vince Wilfork. Since then no rookie or first time starter at the NT position has made quite the impact. Franklin wasn't who he was the first two years starting for us, either was Sione Pouha who filled in nicely for Kris Jenkins making him expendable, or even Paul Soliai. What I'm pretty much getting at is Sopoaga his first year starting at the NT wasn't anything of spectacular yes, but since then hes had to bounce back from NT to DE and only now has he been able to concentrate at one position, now hes being asked to move back inside again.



Wilfork and Hampton are the only ones I could think of as well. Youre also right about taking time to learn the psotion which makes my point. Soap is a DE now Franklin a NT. Pouha didnt make Jenkins expendable Jenkins tearing his ACL twice did. After the 1st time they shifted Pouha to DE when Jenkins came back but he tore the ACL again against either Balti or NE cant remember.


Now we all should know that a ILB assignments differ from a OLB's in a 3-4 correct?? Well the same goes for D-lineman in a 3-4, penetration is not always asked of them, but its a big plus if they do isn't it. Our D-line is a big part in why we were ranked in the top 15 or so in run defense and our staff has had more than enough time to replace Sopoaga, if he wasn't doing his job don't you think they would've replaced him by now??

We are ranked 6th vs the run and 13th overall. Huge part of that is Franklin. Who allows Smith to make plays and is Willis' first line of defense. Now if we had a Secondary worth a s**t and pass rushers we would be better. Soap doesnt command DTs at LDE. Its Franklin and Smith that see the most action because theyre just better. Im sure others could explain that better but its true. Moving Soap leaves a hole at LDE. There no signed back up for Soap. Theres Ray Mac but his knees are very suspect. The loss of Franklin could be catastrophic for the entire defense not just DL.


Now I'm probably all over the place with the message I'm trying to get across. But in no way do I think Sopoaga is the answer, but only a very serviceable D-lineman that is the least of our worries on defense. Now if you wanna talk about how badly our Safeties have been out of position, now there's something that should be recognized.

Safety ,CB, and OLB and now possibly our NT and LDE. Its 2003 all over again unless we catch some major breaks in FA. Like a cheap Goldson and Franklin only wanting to play in SF. Wouldnt mind us getting Joseph or Huff to help secure the Secondary but no NT and a mediocre DL it wont matter whos in our Secondary.

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Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
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You play NT for us, we give you 1,000,000