Mankins should be Niners top FA priority

Not going to happen. He plays LG and moving Iupati would be stupid. He will demand top dollar and this team has said before that they will not pay for a guard.

Originally posted by walker807:
Not going to happen. He plays LG and moving Iupati would be stupid. He will demand top dollar and this team has said before that they will not pay for a guard.

Just because they didn't over-pay to retain Smiley three years ago?

Also, isn't drafting a guard in the top 20 overall paying for a guard (in more ways than one)?

Nahh Iupati is sick at LG, and I don't know if what Mankins would cost would be worth putting him at RG

NO. Why is it that almost every other team can get guards on the cheap or with low draft picks and actually coach them up. Let's give our new staff a chance to coach what we have or find someone cheap first. Do we really need all first round picks on the line to function. God I hope not. Too expensive.

Originally posted by KID9R:
NO. Why is it that almost every other team can get guards on the cheap or with low draft picks and actually coach them up. Let's give our new staff a chance to coach what we have or find someone cheap first. Do we really need all first round picks on the line to function. God I hope not. Too expensive.

Yep. Let's consider the teams that have overpaid for FA guards.
07 browns- Steinbach
07 cowboys- L Davis
07 bills - Dockery
08 jets - Faneca
Two of them flamed out, the other two teams haven't won anything. And let's also mention the saints giving jahri evans 56 mil only for his play to fall off a cliff this year.

Bottom line, trust the front office, build through the draft.

Would love him in theory, but this shouldn't happen for one very important reason:

Don't make deals with Belichik

This isn't a "deal" per se, but it's a Pats cast off. A seemingly "great" one.

That never works. When he trades/cuts a guy, it pretty much never works out for the team that ends up with him.

No thanks. If the Pats don't want you, we don't want you.

Learn from experience.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by 80849er4life:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by 80849er4life:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Rather have Nnamdi. Our line is fine, Chilo's gonna look at this year as a learning process, hell get better.

You do realized he's already played three years in the NFL, right?

Yea but he's still wet behind the ears, IMO i dont think he's reach his full potential, is what Im trying to say.

He may not have reached his potential but he's showed no progress since being a rookie. And it's not like he hasn't been playing. He's started all but three games over the last two seasons and played in 8 games his rookie season.

Your right he has been playing alittle boo-boo in his career, but just 3 years and cast him off already, have alittle faith in the guy.

I'm one of those "have a little faith in the guy" kind of guys. And I did with Chilo until about half way through last season. I'm also one of the people that knows that NFL football in won on the offensive and defensive lines and I see a guard that has not progressed at all since his rookie season. And in his case it's not for a lack of practice/playing time/opportunities, he just doesn't have it.

We don't necessarily have to release him but we can't just go into 2011 thinking we're set at RG and everything will be OK. I'm fine with Staley/Bass (or Heitmann) being at least solid/serviceable and Davis/Iupati most likely taking the next step toward becoming legit NFL players, but I can't live with Rachal being the #1 option for the remaining spot on the line. We don't need to go after the top FA guards out there but we have to bring in someone...

Yea agreed we should bring someone in, and if he is better than Chilo, than Im sure the coaches are gonna see it and make the adjustment. I would rather have Nnamdi other than Mankins.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Would love him in theory, but this shouldn't happen for one very important reason:

Don't make deals with Belichik

This isn't a "deal" per se, but it's a Pats cast off. A seemingly "great" one.

That never works. When he trades/cuts a guy, it pretty much never works out for the team that ends up with him.

No thanks. If the Pats don't want you, we don't want you.

Learn from experience.

Who said the Pats don't want him?

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Would love him in theory, but this shouldn't happen for one very important reason:

Don't make deals with Belichik

This isn't a "deal" per se, but it's a Pats cast off. A seemingly "great" one.

That never works. When he trades/cuts a guy, it pretty much never works out for the team that ends up with him.

No thanks. If the Pats don't want you, we don't want you.

Learn from experience.

Who said the Pats don't want him?

Exactly. I'm sure they do. But Mankins will be an unrestricted free agent so the only way the Pats can hold on to him is to franchise him . . . assuming the new CBA will be set-up that way. And Richard Seymour has actually played at a pretty high level for the Raiders after being traded by the Pats. He's been under the radar because he's in Oakland now.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Would love him in theory, but this shouldn't happen for one very important reason:

Don't make deals with Belichik

This isn't a "deal" per se, but it's a Pats cast off. A seemingly "great" one.

That never works. When he trades/cuts a guy, it pretty much never works out for the team that ends up with him.

No thanks. If the Pats don't want you, we don't want you.

Learn from experience.

Who said the Pats don't want him?

Exactly. I'm sure they do. But Mankins will be an unrestricted free agent so the only way the Pats can hold on to him is to franchise him . . . assuming the new CBA will be set-up that way. And Richard Seymour has actually played at a pretty high level for the Raiders after being traded by the Pats. He's been under the radar because he's in Oakland now.

Also Matt Cassel's 27 TDs and 7 INTs aren't too bad.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Would love him in theory, but this shouldn't happen for one very important reason:

Don't make deals with Belichik

This isn't a "deal" per se, but it's a Pats cast off. A seemingly "great" one.

That never works. When he trades/cuts a guy, it pretty much never works out for the team that ends up with him.

No thanks. If the Pats don't want you, we don't want you.

Learn from experience.

Who said the Pats don't want him?

Exactly. I'm sure they do. But Mankins will be an unrestricted free agent so the only way the Pats can hold on to him is to franchise him . . . assuming the new CBA will be set-up that way. And Richard Seymour has actually played at a pretty high level for the Raiders after being traded by the Pats. He's been under the radar because he's in Oakland now.

Also Matt Cassel's 27 TDs and 7 INTs aren't too bad.

Oh yeah . . . I could live with that kind of cast off.

Totally disagree. IMO, in order of priority:

1.) Veteran QB - Matt Hasselbeck, Jon Kitna, McNabb (if/when released)
2.) Veteran starting CB - Nnamdi, Richard Marshall or Johnathan Joseph
3.) Re-signing UFA David Bass, center
4.) Best pass rusher available - Tambi Hali, Kamerion Wimbley, Mathias Kiwanuka, Jason Babin, etc.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Totally disagree. IMO, in order of priority:

1.) Veteran QB - Matt Hasselbeck, Jon Kitna, McNabb (if/when released)
2.) Veteran starting CB - Nnamdi, Richard Marshall or Johnathan Joseph
3.) Re-signing UFA David Bass, center
4.) Best pass rusher available - Tambi Hali, Kamerion Wimbley, Mathias Kiwanuka, Jason Babin, etc.

Ghost,
In this scenario, are you planning to put Heitmann at RG? If he can play, it should upgrade the offense, which was the Niners downfall last season (and for many seasons). If that doesn't work, a FA RG is necessary IMO to stablize the right side of the line.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Totally disagree. IMO, in order of priority:

1.) Veteran QB - Matt Hasselbeck, Jon Kitna, McNabb (if/when released)
2.) Veteran starting CB - Nnamdi, Richard Marshall or Johnathan Joseph
3.) Re-signing UFA David Bass, center
4.) Best pass rusher available - Tambi Hali, Kamerion Wimbley, Mathias Kiwanuka, Jason Babin, etc.

Ghost,
In this scenario, are you planning to put Heitmann at RG? If he can play, it should upgrade the offense, which was the Niners downfall last season (and for many seasons). If that doesn't work, a FA RG is necessary IMO to stablize the right side of the line.

What I think will happen is that they will keep Chilo as the starter and do their best to coach him up to fit their scheme. But they'll also draft someone (probably within the first 3 rounds) to sit right behind him and take over if he doesn't respond.

So it's about priorities. IMO, as problematic as Rachal is, it's not nearly as big of an issue as our lack of talent at QB, our horrible secondary, our lack of a pass rush and the gaping hole in the middle of the o-line if we don't re-sign Baas.

Since we can't boil the ocean in one off-season, we take care of the big issues in free agency first (as best we can), then address the next tier of problems through the draft.

sign him immediately so he can play QB.

that way he can protect and QB at the same time.