McNabb May Be Available After All.......

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Don't you find it a bit interesting that Mike Shanahan who knows more about QB play than anyone in here has basically given up on McNabb? I think he sees a guy whose skills have eroded and whose future isnt that bright. Philly thought so little of him that they traded him within the division. Now he is done in Washington. It has to tell you something!

Good point. However, anyone picking McNabb up at this point isn't (or at least shouldn't be) doing so to make him the QB of the future. They're looking for someone who can run an offense, make plays as needed and hold things together until the QB of the future is ready.

Say what you will about McNabb, but he's won a ton of games in this league, and that kind of experience is nearly impossible to find in a body that still has something left to give. Not much to give, mind you, but enough to keep the seat warm while a team in transistion grooms it's next QB.

That said, there will be other options so I'm not going to argue too strongly for McNabb to come here.

Don't get me wrong, his experience alone puts him above anyone else we have on our roster. However, he could not succeed in the environment of the current 49ers. He certainly would not be a difference maker.

Yah, definitely don't mean to say McNabb could/would succeed in this environment...I'm assuming the trash will be taken out in the next few weeks.

Mcnabb is definitely an upgrade with a huge risk factor bc of this year's performance, our coaching/offensive debacle, and his contract.

He is a very very good last resort .......


Obviously if we could afford him for a year and afford a high draft pick to sit 2nd string... Cool beans

Originally posted by Thorhawk:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Don't you find it a bit interesting that Mike Shanahan who knows more about QB play than anyone in here has basically given up on McNabb? I think he sees a guy whose skills have eroded and whose future isnt that bright. Philly thought so little of him that they traded him within the division. Now he is done in Washington. It has to tell you something!

I see a coach in Mike Shanahan who is completely washed up and has been completely irrelevant for the last 10 years, who has never been a great judge of talent.

you don't make it to that many Super Bowls without being a good judge of talent.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Thorhawk:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Don't you find it a bit interesting that Mike Shanahan who knows more about QB play than anyone in here has basically given up on McNabb? I think he sees a guy whose skills have eroded and whose future isnt that bright. Philly thought so little of him that they traded him within the division. Now he is done in Washington. It has to tell you something!

I see a coach in Mike Shanahan who is completely washed up and has been completely irrelevant for the last 10 years, who has never been a great judge of talent.

you don't make it to that many Super Bowls without being a good judge of talent.

That was his point. He hasnt done anything since the SB, won with John Elway. And actually Shanahan's last few drafts, personal he was in control of, were not examples of good judgement.

Originally posted by jojomellon:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Thorhawk:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Don't you find it a bit interesting that Mike Shanahan who knows more about QB play than anyone in here has basically given up on McNabb? I think he sees a guy whose skills have eroded and whose future isnt that bright. Philly thought so little of him that they traded him within the division. Now he is done in Washington. It has to tell you something!

I see a coach in Mike Shanahan who is completely washed up and has been completely irrelevant for the last 10 years, who has never been a great judge of talent.

you don't make it to that many Super Bowls without being a good judge of talent.

That was his point. He hasnt done anything since the SB, won with John Elway. And actually Shanahan's last few drafts, personal he was in control of, were not examples of good judgement.

well so far his judgment of sitting McNabb and starting Grossman doesn't look to bad.

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
McNabb would be a perfect fit IMO.

crabtree and davis would produce career numbers and he'd be reunited with westbrook

good last resort

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by jojomellon:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Thorhawk:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Don't you find it a bit interesting that Mike Shanahan who knows more about QB play than anyone in here has basically given up on McNabb? I think he sees a guy whose skills have eroded and whose future isnt that bright. Philly thought so little of him that they traded him within the division. Now he is done in Washington. It has to tell you something!

I see a coach in Mike Shanahan who is completely washed up and has been completely irrelevant for the last 10 years, who has never been a great judge of talent.

you don't make it to that many Super Bowls without being a good judge of talent.

That was his point. He hasnt done anything since the SB, won with John Elway. And actually Shanahan's last few drafts, personal he was in control of, were not examples of good judgement.

well so far his judgment of sitting McNabb and starting Grossman doesn't look to bad.

They lost. And Grossman had a lower qb rating than mcnabb did the week before.

Originally posted by jojomellon:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by jojomellon:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Thorhawk:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Don't you find it a bit interesting that Mike Shanahan who knows more about QB play than anyone in here has basically given up on McNabb? I think he sees a guy whose skills have eroded and whose future isnt that bright. Philly thought so little of him that they traded him within the division. Now he is done in Washington. It has to tell you something!

I see a coach in Mike Shanahan who is completely washed up and has been completely irrelevant for the last 10 years, who has never been a great judge of talent.

you don't make it to that many Super Bowls without being a good judge of talent.

That was his point. He hasnt done anything since the SB, won with John Elway. And actually Shanahan's last few drafts, personal he was in control of, were not examples of good judgement.

well so far his judgment of sitting McNabb and starting Grossman doesn't look to bad.

They lost. And Grossman had a lower qb rating than mcnabb did the week before.

Kind of hard to argue a loss on a QB after he throws 4TD's.

mcnabb will be in the nfc west but in a cardinal uniform

McNabb is waaaaaay better than Alexis Smith.

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I like McNabb/Gruden as a building block. Draft a young WCO-style QB and have him sit just as Kevin Kolb did or as Matt Schaub did for Vick back in the day. Let the young guy take over in a few years after fully digesting the playbook.

Btw, before this year, McNabb had 3 excellent seasons (2007-2009) in a row, completing over 60% of his passes in all 3 years, averaging 21 TD passes to 9 INTs over that time, for an average passer rating of 90%. By any objective standards, that's pretty damn good....but hey, if people want to hate on McNabb for his production this season, and ignore the larger body of work (playoff/Super Bowl appearances, 6 pro bowls, lifetime 230 TDs to 115 INTs, and a career passer rating of 85.7 which places him 23rd all-time) it's their choice.

Offensively, the Redskins aren't really all that bad (16th overall in total offense). So maybe their 32-ranked defense has something to do with their 5-8 record.

Naw...it's all McNabb's fault!!!!!!

Yeah I agree. There are a lot of things that go into being a good pro, especially at the QB position. McNabb seems like he would be a great guy for the right QB to learn from.

Also keep in mind, Warner looked like an absolute joke when he was with the Giants. But then he got another shot with a young Cards team that already had some play making receivers in place and all of a sudden he was as good as he'd ever been.

I think with the right team and right coaches McNabb could have another successful couple of years.

I'm all for getting McNabb just so long as that's not our only solution.

Well said by both of you. I think he has a little left in the tank and would help create that bridge. I wouldn't be thrilled about Gruden but I don't know who is clearly a netter choice. Marty Morhingweg is interesting but I still think of him in Detroit riding off on his motorcycle in tiny shorts as he curses about cell phones going off duing practice.

McNabb is beginning to look like he was a product of the system in Philly and not all that great as an individual talent. There was an interesting article in SI two days ago that strongly suggested McNabb has been over-rated by the media all along. Some players hit the end very quickly rather than a gradual taper down. McNabb may be one of those.

Be that as it may, the 49ers will be looking for someone to get them through the 2011 season with a minimal amount of embarrassment. The only question is one of cost. If it is only money, then bring him. If it is going to cost a draft pick higher than a 4th round, then he isn't worth it, IMO. This team is more lacking in talent than some here realize, therefore giving up a draft pick is only going to prolong the agony. I would rather live with Troy than give up a draft pick. AZ is going to get into the bidding and may have an edge since McNabb has a home in the Phoenix area. That will likely drive the cost up.

(I am assuming Alex leaves on his own accord after this season is over.)

Originally posted by dj43:
McNabb is beginning to look like he was a product of the system in Philly and not all that great as an individual talent. There was an interesting article in SI two days ago that strongly suggested McNabb has been over-rated by the media all along. Some players hit the end very quickly rather than a gradual taper down. McNabb may be one of those.

Be that as it may, the 49ers will be looking for someone to get them through the 2011 season with a minimal amount of embarrassment. The only question is one of cost. If it is only money, then bring him. If it is going to cost a draft pick higher than a 4th round, then he isn't worth it, IMO. This team is more lacking in talent than some here realize, therefore giving up a draft pick is only going to prolong the agony. I would rather live with Troy than give up a draft pick. AZ is going to get into the bidding and may have an edge since McNabb has a home in the Phoenix area. That will likely drive the cost up.

(I am assuming Alex leaves on his own accord after this season is over.)

I know this is off topic, but it always surprises me how much people are comitted to keeping our draft picks. Our top draft picks have about a 50/50 chance of being COMPLETE busts. At least trading the pick for a proven player gives us some idea of what to expect.

who needs McNabb we still have ALEX SMITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well i'm glad he's gonna be available. I hope someone picks him up, but hope it aint us. And I dont care if Alex is there or not, I'm gettin tired of getting teams sloppy seconds.

I mean there was a reason Philly got rid of Mcnabb, and now the Redskins are, so lets do ourselves a favor and pass.