Brooks over Ulbrich

Brooks has been around for a long time. I'm not sure how much Brooks still has left. On the other hand, Ulbrich knows the 9ers system, he's a good fill-in on defense, and he's a very good special teamer. And to top it off, he restructured his contract to a very appropriate contract for what he brings to the game. I'm not absolutely saying no to Brooks, but Ulbrich brings enough to the game that I see him pretty easily making the 9ers 53 man roster.

Originally posted by fzrdave:
Brooks has been around for a long time. I'm not sure how much Brooks still has left. On the other hand, Ulbrich knows the 9ers system, he's a good fill-in on defense, and he's a very good special teamer. And to top it off, he restructured his contract to a very appropriate contract for what he brings to the game. I'm not absolutely saying no to Brooks, but Ulbrich brings enough to the game that I see him pretty easily making the 9ers 53 man roster.

I agree with everything you said about Ulbrich but Brooks is much better point blank...all I'm saying is give him Ulbrich's spot straight up.

Why keep Ulbrich, when we have McKillop and Marques Harris? Ulbrich is expendable.

Originally posted by strickac:
Why keep Ulbrich, when we have McKillop and Marques Harris? Ulbrich is expendable.

McKillop is a natural TED in the 3-4 defense, and Ulbrich's natural position is behind Willis.

Harris is an OLB in our defense, although somewhat underweight for that position.

I don't see any additional value for getting Derrick Brooks and cutting Ulbrich, who happens to be one of the longest tenured 49ers on our team and accepted a pay cut to remain on the roster.

Don't f**k around with his loyalty and locker room presence.

Originally posted by strickac:
Why keep Ulbrich, when we have McKillop and Marques Harris? Ulbrich is expendable.

What does Marques Harris have to do with Ulbrich?

I would have agreed if u meant Ahmed Brooks but Derrick Brooks

Why after all his years playing would Brooks want to come to here and backup Willis?

1. Does not fit the scheme and strictly a Tampa Two guy. That's why no other team has picked him up.

2. Really long in the tooth. Makes Spikes look like a youngster.

We're going to carry four ILB's . . . Willis, Spikes, McKillop & Ulbrich . . .

end of thread

agree

Originally posted by WheresWaldo:

Originally posted by strickac:
Why keep Ulbrich, when we have McKillop and Marques Harris? Ulbrich is expendable.

What does Marques Harris have to do with Ulbrich?

Depth is depth is depth. A versatile LB is a versatile LB.

Catch my drift?

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by strickac:
Why keep Ulbrich, when we have McKillop and Marques Harris? Ulbrich is expendable.

McKillop is a natural TED in the 3-4 defense, and Ulbrich's natural position is behind Willis.

Harris is an OLB in our defense, although somewhat underweight for that position.

I don't see any additional value for getting Derrick Brooks and cutting Ulbrich, who happens to be one of the longest tenured 49ers on our team and accepted a pay cut to remain on the roster.

Don't f**k around with his loyalty and locker room presence.

McKillops isn't really a natural TED. He's a kind-of soft 240-245lbs. The knock on him was his ability in coverage and not being able to shed blockers. He's more a traditional MLB. He'll be a very nice replacement for Takeo, down the road, but even this early in his career, he can do anything that Ulbrich can.

Harris is very familiar with Manusky's system and Manusky is very familiar with Harris' abilities. He rotated him around in SD, which is why he's able to line up at OLB here. He can play either inside or out. He fits the system better than Ulbrich.

Remind me, why is Ulbrich playing in our 3-4?

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by strickac:
Why keep Ulbrich, when we have McKillop and Marques Harris? Ulbrich is expendable.

McKillop is a natural TED in the 3-4 defense, and Ulbrich's natural position is behind Willis.

Harris is an OLB in our defense, although somewhat underweight for that position.

I don't see any additional value for getting Derrick Brooks and cutting Ulbrich, who happens to be one of the longest tenured 49ers on our team and accepted a pay cut to remain on the roster.

Don't f**k around with his loyalty and locker room presence.

McKillops isn't really a natural TED. He's a kind-of soft 240-245lbs. The knock on him was his ability in coverage and not being able to shed blockers. He's more a traditional MLB. He'll be a very nice replacement for Takeo, down the road, but even this early in his career, he can do anything that Ulbrich can.

Harris is very familiar with Manusky's system and Manusky is very familiar with Harris' abilities. He rotated him around in SD, which is why he's able to line up at OLB here. He can play either inside or out. He fits the system better than Ulbrich.

Remind me, why is Ulbrich playing in our 3-4?

NFL.com:

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Analysis

Positives: Productive, instinctual player who sorts through the trash to get to the ballcarrier, seems to have an innate sense of how and when to slide through oncoming blockers. ... Very good backfield awareness, always seems to know where the ball is. ... Recognizes tight ends going out on delayed routes. ... Breaks down well in space and makes secure tackles in the open field. ... Can get to the outside to meet the back at the edge. ... Drops quickly and hustles to meet receivers in intermediate routes. ... Gets a good hit on slot receivers to knock them off their route. ... Knows where the sticks are and tries his best to keep underneath receivers from getting there. ...

CNNSI.com:

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ANALYSIS: McKillop comes off two outstanding seasons as one of the nation's top tacklers. He's a good football player, yet a marginal athlete and a linebacker who may be limited to certain systems. He would be best on the inside of a 3-4 alignment or could be used as a middle linebacker taken off the field on passing downs. While he lacks the great upside, McKillop also has limited downside risk to his game.

Sounds like a natural 3-4 TED to me.

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by strickac:
Why keep Ulbrich, when we have McKillop and Marques Harris? Ulbrich is expendable.

McKillop is a natural TED in the 3-4 defense, and Ulbrich's natural position is behind Willis.

Harris is an OLB in our defense, although somewhat underweight for that position.

I don't see any additional value for getting Derrick Brooks and cutting Ulbrich, who happens to be one of the longest tenured 49ers on our team and accepted a pay cut to remain on the roster.

Don't f**k around with his loyalty and locker room presence.

McKillops isn't really a natural TED. He's a kind-of soft 240-245lbs. The knock on him was his ability in coverage and not being able to shed blockers. He's more a traditional MLB. He'll be a very nice replacement for Takeo, down the road, but even this early in his career, he can do anything that Ulbrich can.

Harris is very familiar with Manusky's system and Manusky is very familiar with Harris' abilities. He rotated him around in SD, which is why he's able to line up at OLB here. He can play either inside or out. He fits the system better than Ulbrich.

Remind me, why is Ulbrich playing in our 3-4?

NFL.com:

Quote:

Analysis

Positives: Productive, instinctual player who sorts through the trash to get to the ballcarrier, seems to have an innate sense of how and when to slide through oncoming blockers. ... Very good backfield awareness, always seems to know where the ball is. ... Recognizes tight ends going out on delayed routes. ... Breaks down well in space and makes secure tackles in the open field. ... Can get to the outside to meet the back at the edge. ... Drops quickly and hustles to meet receivers in intermediate routes. ... Gets a good hit on slot receivers to knock them off their route. ... Knows where the sticks are and tries his best to keep underneath receivers from getting there. ...

CNNSI.com:

Quote:
ANALYSIS: McKillop comes off two outstanding seasons as one of the nation's top tacklers. He's a good football player, yet a marginal athlete and a linebacker who may be limited to certain systems. He would be best on the inside of a 3-4 alignment or could be used as a middle linebacker taken off the field on passing downs. While he lacks the great upside, McKillop also has limited downside risk to his game.

Sounds like a natural 3-4 TED to me.

Sounds like a MIKE to me, but anyway, I can do that too...


Scott Wright (Draft Countdown):

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Adequate size...Great instincts and awareness...Good tackler...Decent range and moves well laterally...Is super tough...Competitive and intense...Has a terrific motor...Smart with an outstanding football IQ...A hard worker and team leader...Was extraordinarily productive.

Weaknesses:
Not a great athlete...Average speed...Needs to get stronger...Struggles when forced to take on and shed blockers...Lacks fluid hips...Takes some poor angles...Sub par hands and ball skills in coverage...Can be too aggressive at times ... Is not a great pass rusher ...Upside is limited.

McKillop is a solid football player, who has a nose for making tackles. He could step in from today and back up Willis and be more productive than Ulbrich.

Look, I'm a huge fan of McKillops and I think he's going to develop into an excellent TED for us; however, just because he's being groomed for the position doesn't mean that he couldn't back up Willis at MIKE, if needed. We also have Ahmad Brooks who could fill in as TED if needed. My point is that Ulbrich is expendable. He doesn't really fit the 3-4, IMO. If he were released, the LB corps wouldn't miss a beat.