I want the entire offensive line replaced other than staley
and staley can go too if he doesn't step it up next season
Originally posted by lamontb:
Heitmann is a good piece of the o line. He's not great but very solid. why move a very solid player and replace him with a very shaky player who hasn't played that position since college?
Originally posted by dj43:
Somebody please show me how this team would improve if David (slewfoot) Baas was the center! Of all the starting linemen on the team right now, he is the least likely to be back next year. Come on people. Watch all three of those guys in the middle of the line and tell me who is the weak link. Who is it that is constantly having to help the guy beside them?
Don't just watch the ball. Watch the line play.
I need to leave this thread before I get some warning.
Originally posted by YuNGaCE:
What he needs is a bigger helmet so he can think.
Originally posted by solidg2000:
The zone has a rager for Heitmann
it's been true since he broke his leg
it wasn't a coincedence that every time he comes off the field because of injury our run game improves. It's not the guards, it's the center!
I've said it many times, and got into many arguments about this subject. Of course if we get better guards Heitmann will look better, but we would still suck running behind the center. It's funny how people bash on Baas' speed yet he always seems to get in front during his pulls on running plane
Originally posted by E-49er:Originally posted by 4evrfan:Originally posted by MadMartz:Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
In his first season at the center position Baas was a consensus All-American a shared the Rimington Trophy as the nation's outstanding center. Baas started the season at left guard but moved to center at the outset of the conference slate and helped guide the Wolverines to a share of the Big Ten title. U-M's rushing offense gained 106 yards per game prior to Baas' position shift but finished the conference schedule third in the ground attack at 175 yards per contest. He was named the 2004 Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year and became the 12th player in U-M football history to gain All-Big Ten first team honors at least three times during his career
So what? Doesn't mean squat when you get to the NFL and you should know tht. And Heitmann happens to be a very highly regarded center amongst his fellow players from everything I've read. Like another post said, played at Pro Bowl level last year and while not quite as impressive this year, was probably the most consistent O-lineman we had. You want to try Baas at center, fine, btu don't drag Heitmann thru the mud when he doesn't deserve it. There are guys who are still unconvinced Aubrayo Franklin is the read deal too.
Exactly! What he did in college doesn't mean squat. Tony Madarich was a great Tackle in college but is one of the biggest busts in the NFL. Heittman makes all the calls for the o-line. thats a pretty important job. I would not trust that job to Baas as a starter just because he did well there in college. Fact is both guard positions need to be improved as well as RT. Maybe the resign Pashos to take care of RT and sign an free agent OL for one guard and draft another.
Originally posted by solidg2000:
I like the argument that he sets the line blocking assignments
yet how many times have we seen a 3 or 4 man rush where no one blocks a guy. That's a assignment error. Hence that is heitmanns error.
Then they go to the better guard argument, but clearly Larry allen was hall of fame guard and smiley was very good too. Heitmann was still clearly the weak link then and struggled to get a push up the middle then too
since his broken leg, heitmann has been at or below average
Originally posted by tmg808:
The problem with that is that the Center is responsible for the calls and reads on the offensive line. I don't think Baas can handle those responsibilities. He may have been an OK college center but the NFL is a whole different beast.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Ok...first, Baas wasn't drafted to be our C...he played the position for half of his senior season at Mich due to OL injuries. The rest of his time in Ann Arbor he played LG.
If Heitmann's the problem, then why have the OC's raved about him? Martz said he was one of the best C's he's seen...definitely underrated. Methinks it's more the interior of our OL...neither Baas nor Rachal have been consistent in their pass blocking...Heitmann may not be the strongest blocker around, but when the two guys alongside him aren't either, then why single him out? It's a team game. Here's another thought...when's the last time you saw either Baas or Rachal lead a sweep...or a screen? They haven't, because they're not mobile enough...which is a primary reason Raye doesn't call them.