Golden State Warriors Talk

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Porzingis is done. I expect him to suit up for zero games this/next season.

Same

Fire Dunleavy

You dont fire a GM because of 1bad signing that is only 20M this year if he has done a good job in the draft and other signings. This is the guy who drafted Podziemski late in rd 1, drafted Lendeborg, traded for Butler, and has really done a better job than Bob Meyers who everyone thinks was so great.

Dunleavy was put in a tough situation given the terrible drafts and signings by Meyers. Bob knew it was bad so he left as soon as his contract ran out.

Porzingis was a short term gamble that didnt pay off.

Porzingas was a terrible acquisition and doubling down on a terrible decision was unforgivable.

Trading for Butler didn't really pay any dividends either.

what are you talking about regarding Butler? He changed a team that was dead in the water to one that won a playoff series and likely win another if Curry doesnt get hurt. You need to live in reality if you think any trade they could have made would have gotten them another title. That ship has sailed due to age, injuries, and teams like OKC, SA, and the Knicks. He did excite the team and the fan base again.

As to Porzingis, it wasnt a terrible deal at the time. They dumped Kuminga who was deadweight and who had little trade value for an upside play. Not many guys at his height who can do what he does when healthy. It was a gamble that sadly didnt pay off. But what did it really cost them? An overrated player that didnt want to be there and then basically a 1 year deal that can be possibly be used as an expiring contract.

Like I said, Dunleavy has done a much better job than Meyers. Meyers inherited Curry, had Jerry West there to draft Klay and keep Meyers from trading him for Kevin Love (can you imagine that??), drafted Wiseman, drafted Moody instead of Senguin, Kuminga instead of Wagner, and 1st round busts like Damien Jones, Jacob Evans, and Patrick Baldwin. Just saying...

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Porzingis is done. I expect him to suit up for zero games this/next season.

Same

Fire Dunleavy

You dont fire a GM because of 1bad signing that is only 20M this year if he has done a good job in the draft and other signings. This is the guy who drafted Podziemski late in rd 1, drafted Lendeborg, traded for Butler, and has really done a better job than Bob Meyers who everyone thinks was so great.

Dunleavy was put in a tough situation given the terrible drafts and signings by Meyers. Bob knew it was bad so he left as soon as his contract ran out.

Porzingis was a short term gamble that didnt pay off.

Porzingas was a terrible acquisition and doubling down on a terrible decision was unforgivable.

Trading for Butler didn't really pay any dividends either.

what are you talking about regarding Butler? He changed a team that was dead in the water to one that won a playoff series and likely win another if Curry doesnt get hurt. You need to live in reality if you think any trade they could have made would have gotten them another title. That ship has sailed due to age, injuries, and teams like OKC, SA, and the Knicks. He did excite the team and the fan base again.

As to Porzingis, it wasnt a terrible deal at the time. They dumped Kuminga who was deadweight and who had little trade value for an upside play. Not many guys at his height who can do what he does when healthy. It was a gamble that sadly didnt pay off. But what did it really cost them? An overrated player that didnt want to be there and then basically a 1 year deal that can be possibly be used as an expiring contract.

Like I said, Dunleavy has done a much better job than Meyers. Meyers inherited Curry, had Jerry West there to draft Klay and keep Meyers from trading him for Kevin Love (can you imagine that??), drafted Wiseman, drafted Moody instead of Senguin, Kuminga instead of Wagner, and 1st round busts like Damien Jones, Jacob Evans, and Patrick Baldwin. Just saying...

Even with the missed draftpicks I disagree. Myers Acquiring Durant, Iguodala and Wiggins still far outweighs anything Dunleavy has done.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
what are you talking about regarding Butler? He changed a team that was dead in the water to one that won a playoff series and likely win another if Curry doesnt get hurt. You need to live in reality if you think any trade they could have made would have gotten them another title. That ship has sailed due to age, injuries, and teams like OKC, SA, and the Knicks. He did excite the team and the fan base again.

As to Porzingis, it wasnt a terrible deal at the time. They dumped Kuminga who was deadweight and who had little trade value for an upside play. Not many guys at his height who can do what he does when healthy. It was a gamble that sadly didnt pay off. But what did it really cost them? An overrated player that didnt want to be there and then basically a 1 year deal that can be possibly be used as an expiring contract.

Like I said, Dunleavy has done a much better job than Meyers. Meyers inherited Curry, had Jerry West there to draft Klay and keep Meyers from trading him for Kevin Love (can you imagine that??), drafted Wiseman, drafted Moody instead of Senguin, Kuminga instead of Wagner, and 1st round busts like Damien Jones, Jacob Evans, and Patrick Baldwin. Just saying...

Cmon John. You can say it out loud. Drafted Wiseman instead of LAMELO BALL.

Say it was a mistake. Do it.

Idk man, based of the Kristaps deal alone, MDJ deserves to be fired

def seems like a better drafter than Overall GM

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
what are you talking about regarding Butler? He changed a team that was dead in the water to one that won a playoff series and likely win another if Curry doesnt get hurt. You need to live in reality if you think any trade they could have made would have gotten them another title. That ship has sailed due to age, injuries, and teams like OKC, SA, and the Knicks. He did excite the team and the fan base again.

As to Porzingis, it wasnt a terrible deal at the time. They dumped Kuminga who was deadweight and who had little trade value for an upside play. Not many guys at his height who can do what he does when healthy. It was a gamble that sadly didnt pay off. But what did it really cost them? An overrated player that didnt want to be there and then basically a 1 year deal that can be possibly be used as an expiring contract.

Like I said, Dunleavy has done a much better job than Meyers. Meyers inherited Curry, had Jerry West there to draft Klay and keep Meyers from trading him for Kevin Love (can you imagine that??), drafted Wiseman, drafted Moody instead of Senguin, Kuminga instead of Wagner, and 1st round busts like Damien Jones, Jacob Evans, and Patrick Baldwin. Just saying...

Cmon John. You can say it out loud. Drafted Wiseman instead of LAMELO BALL.

Say it was a mistake. Do it.

Terrible draft class. Never was that high on Lemelo especially for the Dubs at the time but yes, he would have been better than Wiseman.

Originally posted by ads_2006:
Idk man, based of the Kristaps deal alone, MDJ deserves to be fired

def seems like a better drafter than Overall GM

We can agree to disagree on that. I dont see a deal that only has 3 million next year and can possibly be used as an expiring contract as a fireable offense. But reality is simply that NO gm could have turned around the mess that MDJ inherited to become a real title contender

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Porzingis is done. I expect him to suit up for zero games this/next season.

Same

Fire Dunleavy

You dont fire a GM because of 1bad signing that is only 20M this year if he has done a good job in the draft and other signings. This is the guy who drafted Podziemski late in rd 1, drafted Lendeborg, traded for Butler, and has really done a better job than Bob Meyers who everyone thinks was so great.

Dunleavy was put in a tough situation given the terrible drafts and signings by Meyers. Bob knew it was bad so he left as soon as his contract ran out.

Porzingis was a short term gamble that didnt pay off.

Porzingas was a terrible acquisition and doubling down on a terrible decision was unforgivable.

Trading for Butler didn't really pay any dividends either.

what are you talking about regarding Butler? He changed a team that was dead in the water to one that won a playoff series and likely win another if Curry doesnt get hurt. You need to live in reality if you think any trade they could have made would have gotten them another title. That ship has sailed due to age, injuries, and teams like OKC, SA, and the Knicks. He did excite the team and the fan base again.

As to Porzingis, it wasnt a terrible deal at the time. They dumped Kuminga who was deadweight and who had little trade value for an upside play. Not many guys at his height who can do what he does when healthy. It was a gamble that sadly didnt pay off. But what did it really cost them? An overrated player that didnt want to be there and then basically a 1 year deal that can be possibly be used as an expiring contract.

Like I said, Dunleavy has done a much better job than Meyers. Meyers inherited Curry, had Jerry West there to draft Klay and keep Meyers from trading him for Kevin Love (can you imagine that??), drafted Wiseman, drafted Moody instead of Senguin, Kuminga instead of Wagner, and 1st round busts like Damien Jones, Jacob Evans, and Patrick Baldwin. Just saying...

Even with the missed draftpicks I disagree. Myers Acquiring Durant, Iguodala and Wiggins still far outweighs anything Dunleavy has done.

Myers got Durant because the players went all out and met KD and convinced him to come to GS. And Jerry was very instrumental as well in KD coming to the Dubs. I give Bob very little credit for that. And if it wasnt for West , Myers would have traded Klay for Love. That alone makes him worse in my opinion. I just feel like he gets way too much credit for the Dubs success. And I truly feel that he jumped ship because he knew how bad things were. JMO

Myers left at the right time. Look what's happened since he left. They have become stale and stuck in mud with no direction.

Ugly way to lose

Originally posted by Hopper:
Ugly way to lose

Expected tbph, we've sucked in late game situations past few years.

This franchise is done for now. Think Kobe's final years, that's what we are in for.

No team stays on top forever. The Warriors were good longer than most teams do now. Free agency and the weird contract rules make it hard to stay on top. The question is how long will it take before they can get back to being competitive. They'll need to land a couple of really good players in the draft over the next couple years and then bring in some free agents when Curry, Butler and Dray all retire.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
No team stays on top forever. The Warriors were good longer than most teams do now. Free agency and the weird contract rules make it hard to stay on top. The question is how long will it take before they can get back to being competitive. They'll need to land a couple of really good players in the draft over the next couple years and then bring in some free agents when Curry, Butler and Dray all retire.

maybe we will rise again in 2060

Yax

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

what are you talking about regarding Butler? He changed a team that was dead in the water to one that won a playoff series and likely win another if Curry doesnt get hurt. You need to live in reality if you think any trade they could have made would have gotten them another title. That ship has sailed due to age, injuries, and teams like OKC, SA, and the Knicks. He did excite the team and the fan base again.

As to Porzingis, it wasnt a terrible deal at the time. They dumped Kuminga who was deadweight and who had little trade value for an upside play. Not many guys at his height who can do what he does when healthy. It was a gamble that sadly didnt pay off. But what did it really cost them? An overrated player that didnt want to be there and then basically a 1 year deal that can be possibly be used as an expiring contract.

Like I said, Dunleavy has done a much better job than Meyers. Meyers inherited Curry, had Jerry West there to draft Klay and keep Meyers from trading him for Kevin Love (can you imagine that??), drafted Wiseman, drafted Moody instead of Senguin, Kuminga instead of Wagner, and 1st round busts like Damien Jones, Jacob Evans, and Patrick Baldwin. Just saying...

Being a play in team isn't any better than missing the playoffs.
It was obvious Porzingas wouldn't contribute and he didn't and then they extended him.

Myers built a winner. Dunleavy isn't building anything. The team is getting worse.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

No team stays on top forever. The Warriors were good longer than most teams do now. Free agency and the weird contract rules make it hard to stay on top. The question is how long will it take before they can get back to being competitive. They'll need to land a couple of really good players in the draft over the next couple years and then bring in some free agents when Curry, Butler and Dray all retire.

Should have moved on from all three.