2017-2018 NBA Season

Tonight just goes to show that maybe scoring points when the rest of your team is struggling is pretty important. It may not show up in multiple stat lines but points are a pretty big deal.

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am still of the belief that Simmons should not be eligible for ROY. Oh well.

I agree. Former players like C-Webb have commented that being around the NBA for a year (even if not playing) is extremely beneficial. Get familiar with the trainers, teammates, having money, traveling, etc.

A real rook like Mitchell, this is all brand new for him. Plus he is their primary offensive player

Yep. I know he didnt play any games, but Simmons was an NBA player last season. He got all the benefits that an NBA player would get (coaching, trainers, state of the art facilities, salary, etc) that a college player would not receive. That is an unfair advantage, even if he didnt play. Blake shouldnt have won his award either.

That's all well and good but the rules are the rules. I've got no problem with the thought Simmons shouldn't be eligible. But under the current rules who should be ROY? In no way, shape or form is Mitchell more deserving than Simmons.

The argument that Mitchell gets a boost because he is Utah's first option is laughable. Simmons creates Phily's offense. That's why he has the assists he does. You can't argue that Mitchell does more and then say he doesn't get assists because of Utah's offense. If it's the motion taking away assist opportunities then it is also the motion getting Mitchell all those 3's. Simmons, meanwhile, drives and dishes and creates most of the offense for Phily.

I said that it's not only because he's the first option but also because they're winning in large part to him scoring a lot. If they had 15-20 wins and he was doing it then no he doesn't deserve it but the team went from a mid- high lottery team to a team that's tied for 8th and is 5 games above .500. That's a big deal that the voters need to look at.

Man, you guys should quit bringing up things for Mitchell while ignoring what Simmons has done. Utah went from mid-lottery to almost in the playoffs? Cool. 76ers won 28 games last year. They've already won 35 games this year. This is with the No. 1 pick doing next to nothing.

When I have discounted anything Simmons has done? I'm saying they should be co rookies of the year and have been arguing for that. Not that Mitchell should have it over Simmons. You f**king moron.

Settle down there bud. You keep saying Mitchell has done these wonderful things and should get a boost for it. You ignore that everything you bring up Simmons has done PLUS extra stuff Mitchell hasnt. That's why, as good as Mitchell has been, Simmons has been better and thus deserves it outright.

Originally posted by Jiks:
Tonight just goes to show that maybe scoring points when the rest of your team is struggling is pretty important. It may not show up in multiple stat lines but points are a pretty big deal.

3 pts doesnt outweigh 4 assists. Those assists are good for a minimum 8 pts.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Settle down there bud. You keep saying Mitchell has done these wonderful things and should get a boost for it. You ignore that everything you bring up Simmons has done PLUS extra stuff Mitchell hasnt. That's why, as good as Mitchell has been, Simmons has been better and thus deserves it outright.

And who deserved it more when Francis and Brand or Kidd and Hill won co ROY? The NBA has done this before when two players show how special they are in their first year even if they're not the same type of player. This year is one of those years.

Originally posted by DaBum:

3 pts doesnt outweigh 4 assists. Those assists are good for a minimum 8 pts.

That's not my point... Donovan is the leading rookie scorer for a rookie since 2002 in the fourth quarter. Sixers needed someone to step up and this is where Donovan excels. These are things that do not show up in the ESPN stats but have led Utah to one of the best records in the NBA the last two months.

You guys are strictly looking at stats. Utah and Philly now have the same record and Utah plays in a much better conference. While ESPN stats may say blah blah both guys are contributing pretty similarly in the W/L column(end results).

These guys play different positions and have different styles. But again the impact they are making on their teams is extremely similar.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by DaBum:
3 pts doesnt outweigh 4 assists. Those assists are good for a minimum 8 pts.

That's not my point... Donovan is the leading rookie scorer for a rookie since 2002 in the fourth quarter. Sixers needed someone to step up and this is where Donovan excels. These are things that do not show up in the ESPN stats but have led Utah to one of the best records in the NBA the last two months.

You guys are strictly looking at stats. Utah and Philly now have the same record and Utah plays in a much better conference. While ESPN stats may say blah blah both guys are contributing pretty similarly in the W/L column(end results).

If wins are so uber important I assume Westbrook was undeserving of MVP last year to you?

Wins are a factor, not some all important one. Simmons has stepped up all season for his team. They needed a director and the No. 1 pick is a no show. He has filled that void. He has more assists per 36 mins than Chris Paul did as a rookie.

Impact? Simmons has been worth 6.2 wins. Mitchell 3.7.

SMH... I guess all this media I'm reading and professionals saying this is a very close race is nothing.

Originally posted by Jiks:
SMH... I guess all this media I'm reading and professionals saying this is a very close race is nothing.

Season would be boring to write for if all they talked about was how the Warriors are unbeatable.

Originally posted by DaBum:

If wins are so uber important I assume Westbrook was undeserving of MVP last year to you?

Wins are a factor, not some all important one. Simmons has stepped up all season for his team. They needed a director and the No. 1 pick is a no show. He has filled that void. He has more assists per 36 mins than Chris Paul did as a rookie.

Impact? Simmons has been worth 6.2 wins. Mitchell 3.7.

Link your stats bro

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by DaBum:
If wins are so uber important I assume Westbrook was undeserving of MVP last year to you?

Wins are a factor, not some all important one. Simmons has stepped up all season for his team. They needed a director and the No. 1 pick is a no show. He has filled that void. He has more assists per 36 mins than Chris Paul did as a rookie.

Impact? Simmons has been worth 6.2 wins. Mitchell 3.7.

Link your stats bro

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_minute&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&order_by=ast

References player finder is awesome. Put in any parameters you want and get results. You can do it for any stat and sort by specific experience level, single season or a range of seasons.

Simmons tied with Wall at 7.9 per 36 as a rookie. Paul was 7.8.

Originally posted by DaBum:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_minute&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&order_by=ast

References player finder is awesome. Put in any parameters you want and get results. You can do it for any stat and sort by specific experience level, single season or a range of seasons.

Simmons tied with Wall at 7.9 per 36 as a rookie. Paul was 7.8.

Thanks dude. I'll take a look at it later and let you know if the stat is legit. Lotta bs metrics out there, you know.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jiks:

SMH... I guess all this media I'm reading and professionals saying this is a very close race is nothing.

Season would be boring to write for if all they talked about was how the Warriors are unbeatable.

Lol that's not what is being discussed.

You guys need to also keep in mind the talent on each team. I could average 7 assists with Embiid as my C and JJ shooting 3s

Originally posted by DaBum:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_minute&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&order_by=ast

References player finder is awesome. Put in any parameters you want and get results. You can do it for any stat and sort by specific experience level, single season or a range of seasons.

Simmons tied with Wall at 7.9 per 36 as a rookie. Paul was 7.8.

Hey bro, think I'm missing the stat for wins attributed to a player. What is that labeled? Curious as to what the methodology is...

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by DaBum:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_minute&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&order_by=ast

References player finder is awesome. Put in any parameters you want and get results. You can do it for any stat and sort by specific experience level, single season or a range of seasons.

Simmons tied with Wall at 7.9 per 36 as a rookie. Paul was 7.8.

Hey bro, think I'm missing the stat for wins attributed to a player. What is that labeled? Curious as to what the methodology is...

WS short for win shares. It's not in that search. You can go to this site and put in the parameters you want.

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