2014 College Football

top 16 I think would be too diluted, though it would result in more interesting games and fun upsets, so I wouldn't be strongly opposed to it. I think top 8 would be the best way of determining a rightful champion.

Originally posted by vaden:
top 16 I think would be too diluted, though it would result in more interesting games and fun upsets, so I wouldn't be strongly opposed to it. I think top 8 would be the best way of determining a rightful champion.

Yep. Top 8. Take the five champions from the Pac 12, SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Big 10. Then have the committee that's in place now take three at large teams. That same committee could seed all eight teams as they see fit, as they do now.

So much for the "the SEC should have two teams in the playoffs" argument

SportSourceAnalytics ‏@SportSourceA 2h2 hours ago
#TCU finished the year allowing negative (-9) punt return yds. We've never seen this happen since we started tracking the stat (2001).

Gusty movie from Houston going for two. Big win for them.

Originally posted by okdkid:
It appears the SEC may have been much weaker than it was given credit for. We can never know -- but it seems like several of those recent SEC college football championships may have never come to fruition had there been a playoff. It must be nice to have five bye weeks in the SEC -- one less conference game and you get to play Presbyterian 4x a year.

Not sure how you can say that when they won 7 out of 8 title games. They won the game and beat the other top ranked opponent. This year a much weaker Alabama team fell. Would of have lost to Oregon too even if was just a singular championship game.

Personally I'd just give credit to the team that picked off an SEC coach.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Not sure how you can say that when they won 7 out of 8 title games. They won the game and beat the other top ranked opponent. This year a much weaker Alabama team fell. Would of have lost to Oregon too even if was just a singular championship game.

Personally I'd just give credit to the team that picked off an SEC coach.

Missing the point dude. Without the playoff the final would have been Alabama and FSU. After yesterday we see those CLEARLY were not the two best teams.

Look and the SEC natl titles in the BCS era, and very few of them were won against the actual #1 or #2 team. Many of those years they might have lost to a 3 or 4, but we never got to see that. There were some Oregon, USC and Stanford teams finishing in the top 4 that would have slaughtered the so called SEC national champion that year.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by okdkid:
It appears the SEC may have been much weaker than it was given credit for. We can never know -- but it seems like several of those recent SEC college football championships may have never come to fruition had there been a playoff. It must be nice to have five bye weeks in the SEC -- one less conference game and you get to play Presbyterian 4x a year.

Not sure how you can say that when they won 7 out of 8 title games. They won the game and beat the other top ranked opponent. This year a much weaker Alabama team fell. Would of have lost to Oregon too even if was just a singular championship game.

Personally I'd just give credit to the team that picked off an SEC coach.

If the BCS system was in place, Alabama would have played FSU, not Oregon. And Alabama probably would gave beat FSU.

And the myth that the SEC is so far ahead of everybody else would have continued.

edit: And picked off an SEC coach?

lol, why is Meyer suddenly an "SEC" coach? He temporarily retired from Florida and is as much a MAC or MWC coach as an SEC coach. Just silly to call any coach a conference's coach.

Originally posted by TheRambler:
Missing the point dude. Without the playoff the final would have been Alabama and FSU. After yesterday we see those CLEARLY were not the two best teams.

Look and the SEC natl titles in the BCS era, and very few of them were won against the actual #1 or #2 team. Many of those years they might have lost to a 3 or 4, but we never got to see that. There were some Oregon, USC and Stanford teams finishing in the top 4 that would have slaughtered the so called SEC national champion that year.

You might be right this year although FSU finished 3rd and there is a strong possibility Oregon would have still been selected over them. Or over Bama. Don't act like the Heisman winner led Oregon team would have been ignored. If there's a playoff the best team only wins it 50% of the time. See the NFL. On a given week the #5 can beat the #1 team. TCU would stand a chance against anyone in the 2nd round of a 3 round tourney. I won't dismiss that Bama or LSU etc could have been beaten by a different team or knocked off in a 4 team playoff.

Blame the committee for messing up on the 2nd and 3rd teams though. It's not Alabama's fault the committee puts in a duck like Notre Dame. The SEC beat Oregon, OSU twice, Texas, Oklahoma during that run. They beat every conference. We all know if they put in 4 or 8 teams, upsets happen who ends up on top can be a crap shoot, but the title was decided by 2 teams and the SEC won those games every time. If you're going to weed someone out start with the loser and you can't pretend that Bama, LSU, Auburn, etc, etc may not won a potential tourney. I can't think of one year where you can say the champion didn't belong in the title game. Unless you want to go with the SEC National championship game but LSU would obviously still be in that game.

As for the playoffs I'd just go to 4 16 team super conferences and have the winner of each conference play it out in the end. I don't care if a mid major gets screwed out of the process. It will essentially play out as a 8 team tourney when conference title games are factored in. Screw committees though.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
If the BCS system was in place, Alabama would have played FSU, not Oregon. And Alabama probably would gave beat FSU.

And the myth that the SEC is so far ahead of everybody else would have continued.

Exactly. I wonder how many years SEC teams won a title because of that absurd BCS system. I think it's extremely unlikely that FSU would've been left out of the title game under the old BCS. The same completely illogical "defending champs" argument people used to put them in the top 4 over TCU would've been used to screw Oregon and Ohio St. too. And of course Bama would've gotten in simply due to rampant SEC favoritism.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
As for the playoffs I'd just go to 4 16 team super conferences and have the winner of each conference play it out in the end. I don't care if a mid major gets screwed out of the process. It will essentially play out as a 8 team tourney when conference title games are factored in. Screw committees though.

The bold is actually my biggest problem with the current playoff format. It's basically impossible to make the playoff as a Group of 5 team. When the next Boise St/Pre-12 TCU rolls around, somebody is going to get screwed hard.

Originally posted by vaden:
Exactly. I wonder how many years SEC teams won a title because of that absurd BCS system. I think it's extremely unlikely that FSU would've been left out of the title game under the old BCS. The same completely illogical "defending champs" argument people used to put them in the top 4 over TCU would've been used to screw Oregon and Ohio St. too. And of course Bama would've gotten in simply due to rampant SEC favoritism.

And that's the thing about the SEC supremacy myth. Yes they won BCS titles, but the BCS title games may have had the real best team in America sitting ranked #3 or #4.

Originally posted by TheRambler:
The bold is actually my biggest problem with the current playoff format. It's basically impossible to make the playoff as a Group of 5 team. When the next Boise St/Pre-12 TCU rolls around, somebody is going to get screwed hard.

Yeah. Unfortunately the smaller named schools will get screwed every time by the committees. If you have a 11-1 Alabama or OSU and a 11-1 Michigan State or TCU they will take Bama and OSU every time. That's what I think you got to take it out of their hands entirely.

Just come up with a system as fair as possible. If you have 4 super conferences and have the winners from each battle it out to me it's as unbiased as it gets.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

PAC-12: 5-1

SEC: 6-5

Big 10: 5-5
C-USA: 4-1
ACC: 4-7
MW: 3-4

American: 2-2
Sun Belt: 1-1
MAC: 1-3
Big 12: 1-4

updated

updated. 2 games left tonight

UCLA v. K-State and Washington vs Oklahoma State