**LeBron James Off-season Thread**

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

No way LeBron leaves Cleveland a 2nd time lol. Him going back had a lot to do with repairing his image/likability, as well as going back home.

If he wins one for CLE no one will care

This and as you said its LA. Both LA and NY will be very attractive.

If he wins a chip in Cleveland - No one will care. At least not the ppl in Cleveland.

he's not leaving cleveland

Dwyane Wade: "The Clinic": http://youtu.be/pPVzvf3nPxQ

This is why LeBron came to MIA. That Wade doesn't exist anymore but he was a sight to behold then. LeBron has learned a lot in MIA so hopefully he can apply his lessons going forward

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Dwyane Wade: "The Clinic": http://youtu.be/pPVzvf3nPxQ

This is why LeBron came to MIA. That Wade doesn't exist anymore but he was a sight to behold then. LeBron has learned a lot in MIA so hopefully he can apply his lessons going forward

I remember seeing that video before. There were a couple of years when he was the best SG in the game.

I hope Lebron can do for Kyrie (and hopefully Wiggins) what Wade did for him.

I'm really really hoping Cavs are smart and they keep Wiggins. Minny can trade Love to GS if they want for Lee, Barnes and 1st round pick or they can trade for Waiters, Bennett and couple of 1st rounders. But, Cavs gotta hold onto Wiggins.

Originally posted by 4ML:

I remember seeing that video before. There were a couple of years when he was the best SG in the game.

I hope Lebron can do for Kyrie (and hopefully Wiggins) what Wade did for him.

I'm really really hoping Cavs are smart and they keep Wiggins. Minny can trade Love to GS if they want for Lee, Barnes and 1st round pick or they can trade for Waiters, Bennett and couple of 1st rounders. But, Cavs gotta hold onto Wiggins.

Agree. I would keep Wiggins. LeBron can teach now. Lot of good young talent there

I miss flash

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Dwyane Wade: "The Clinic": http://youtu.be/pPVzvf3nPxQ

This is why LeBron came to MIA. That Wade doesn't exist anymore but he was a sight to behold then. LeBron has learned a lot in MIA so hopefully he can apply his lessons going forward

I remember seeing that video before. There were a couple of years when he was the best SG in the game.

I hope Lebron can do for Kyrie (and hopefully Wiggins) what Wade did for him.

I'm really really hoping Cavs are smart and they keep Wiggins. Minny can trade Love to GS if they want for Lee, Barnes and 1st round pick or they can trade for Waiters, Bennett and couple of 1st rounders. But, Cavs gotta hold onto Wiggins.

Stahp. lol

Wiggins is best for the Cavs, but LeBron isn't the best for Wiggins. All he'll be until LeBron's gone is a spot up shooter & finisher in transition. But he'll be a great defender and will allow that burden to be taken off of LeBron.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Stahp. lol

Wiggins is best for the Cavs, but LeBron isn't the best for Wiggins. All he'll be until LeBron's gone is a spot up shooter & finisher in transition. But he'll be a great defender and will allow that burden to be taken off of LeBron.

He has consistently made players around him better. That's his biggest asset and that's why players want to play with him. That's why his teams won 66 games and went 26-4 against West with a supporting cast of Mo Williams, Varejao, and Z. After he left - the following year - they won just 19 games. Lebron has the highest win-share of any player in the last several years.

And, Varejao is not a spot up shooter, neither is Wade (who had best stretches of his career with Lebron when healhty) - neither is Chris Anderson (easily the best year and a half of his career).

Wade 2008: 28.2 ppg, 7apg, 4.7rpg, 2.0 spg 1.3bpg, 49% fg percentage
Wade 2009: 26.4ppg, 6.5apg, 4.8rpg, 1.8spg, 1bpg, 47.6% fg percentage

Wade had better years individually. When you factor in how bad his supporting cast was and how frequently he was double-triple teamed - his nos. are even more impressive. Yes, Kobe won championships with a great team around him...but strictly talking about individual player here.

About that letter on the website till last week...fwiw:

"The letter was removed years ago from the Cavs.com website, but over the last week, it was discovered that it still existed from this external link to a stagnant archived page," Cavaliers director of communications Tad Carper told SB Nation. "It was on the content management system platform that was used back in 2010."

Thus, everyone within the organization proceeded as if nothing strange was going on. But when James' free agency started to kick into gear, one employee noticed a spike in traffic to a page that was believed to be purged from the Internet. A decision was made to delete the letter again, but the process was more complex because the team did not have direct access to the site's old CMS. Thus, the team had to ask the league to do it for them.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Stahp. lol

Wiggins is best for the Cavs, but LeBron isn't the best for Wiggins. All he'll be until LeBron's gone is a spot up shooter & finisher in transition. But he'll be a great defender and will allow that burden to be taken off of LeBron.

He has consistently made players around him better. That's his biggest asset and that's why players want to play with him. That's why his teams won 66 games and went 26-4 against West with a supporting cast of Mo Williams, Varejao, and Z. After he left - the following year - they won just 19 games. Lebron has the highest win-share of any player in the last several years.

And, Varejao is not a spot up shooter, neither is Wade (who had best stretches of his career with Lebron when healhty) - neither is Chris Anderson (easily the best year and a half of his career).

Wade 2008: 28.2 ppg, 7apg, 4.7rpg, 2.0 spg 1.3bpg, 49% fg percentage
Wade 2009: 26.4ppg, 6.5apg, 4.8rpg, 1.8spg, 1bpg, 47.6% fg percentage

Wade had better years individually. When you factor in how bad his supporting cast was and how frequently he was double-triple teamed - his nos. are even more impressive. Yes, Kobe won championships with a great team around him...but strictly talking about individual player here.

When Kobe lost his "great team around him", he averaged 35/5/5/2. lol

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Stahp. lol

Wiggins is best for the Cavs, but LeBron isn't the best for Wiggins. All he'll be until LeBron's gone is a spot up shooter & finisher in transition. But he'll be a great defender and will allow that burden to be taken off of LeBron.

He has consistently made players around him better. That's his biggest asset and that's why players want to play with him. That's why his teams won 66 games and went 26-4 against West with a supporting cast of Mo Williams, Varejao, and Z. After he left - the following year - they won just 19 games. Lebron has the highest win-share of any player in the last several years.

And, Varejao is not a spot up shooter, neither is Wade (who had best stretches of his career with Lebron when healhty) - neither is Chris Anderson (easily the best year and a half of his career).

Wade 2008: 28.2 ppg, 7apg, 4.7rpg, 2.0 spg 1.3bpg, 49% fg percentage
Wade 2009: 26.4ppg, 6.5apg, 4.8rpg, 1.8spg, 1bpg, 47.6% fg percentage

Wade had better years individually. When you factor in how bad his supporting cast was and how frequently he was double-triple teamed - his nos. are even more impressive. Yes, Kobe won championships with a great team around him...but strictly talking about individual player here.

When Kobe lost his "great team around him", he averaged 35/5/5/2. lol

Originally posted by 4ML:


He has consistently made players around him better. That's his biggest asset and that's why players want to play with him. That's why his teams won 66 games and went 26-4 against West with a supporting cast of Mo Williams, Varejao, and Z. After he left - the following year - they won just 19 games. Lebron has the highest win-share of any player in the last several years.

And, Varejao is not a spot up shooter, neither is Wade (who had best stretches of his career with Lebron when healhty) - neither is Chris Anderson (easily the best year and a half of his career).

Wade 2008: 28.2 ppg, 7apg, 4.7rpg, 2.0 spg 1.3bpg, 49% fg percentage
Wade 2009: 26.4ppg, 6.5apg, 4.8rpg, 1.8spg, 1bpg, 47.6% fg percentage

Wade had better years individually. When you factor in how bad his supporting cast was and how frequently he was double-triple teamed - his nos. are even more impressive. Yes, Kobe won championships with a great team around him...but strictly talking about individual player here.

Wade did not have better years individually than Kobe did in similar circumstances. Kobe was a friggin' supernova when it was him, Odom, & the Smush Parkers of the world.

Wade was diminished by LeBron's presence. Varejao & Andersen are the big man equivalent of spot up shooters...drive & dish bigs who don't contribute anything else offensively. LeBron had arguably the most offensively talented inside/outside big in the game in Bosh...someone who was dropping 24-25 as the man on his own, and turned him into a perimeter player. Chris Andersen's year and a half in Miami is not the most productive of his career. It's aligned with his time in Denver. His FG% is the only thing that's up.

Anyway...lol not worth it.

Apparently scoring more ppg means you're better. Carmelo is the 2nd best player in the NBA after Durant lol