2013-14 General NBA Discussion Thread

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Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Kobe didn't come out as a 1st team starter, either. He was a support player his first couple of years.

Yeup. He started like 10 games his first two years lol.

Originally posted by valrod33:
MJ at age 21 scored 2313 points Kobe at age 21 had already scored 4240 points

Wilt at age 23 scored 2707 points, Kobe at 23 already had 8197 points

Kareem at age 22 scored 2361 points, Kobe at 22 had 6178 points

Malone at age 22 scored 1203 Kobe at 22 had 6178 points

Kobe ppg for first 2 seasons: 12ppg
MJ: 28ppg
WIlt: 38ppg
Kareem: 30.5ppg
Malone: 17.5ppg (by third season he was averaging 28 a game)

So...I don't think strictly using no. of games played makes it any fair-er - especially when Kobe started like 10 games in his first two years but played in pretty much every game for few minutes.

The stat stoney posted was Total points not PPG so yeah

I know. But I'm disagreeing with you. You're saying it should be points scored by no. of games played - which is ppg. Lol...so, I listed ppg for first 164 games or so and you can see your way is just as flawed.

I think you need to go back and re-read this convo

"I really wish they would use games played as a barometer instead of age"

lol you're basically saying do it by ppg

Not at all.

Im saying instead of saying no person has scored more points by a certain age to say Kobe bryant has scored the most points in the first 5000 games of his career than anybody in NBA history.


Some guys came into the league at different ages so a fair-er way to me is to use games played as the measuring stick not age

Yea bro...that's what I said. You're using no. of games played as a constant for every player. So...when I posted Kobe averaged about 12ppg in his first 164 games - he scored approx 1968 pts. Jordan scored 4592 in his first 164 games. Wilt scored almost 6232 pts. So, I don't think you can call this fair either.

Whether you do first 164 games or first 500 games...Kobe will be at a disadvantage because he jumped straight from high school and needed couple of years to figure out how to play at that level - so his pts scored in first 250 games or so were poor compared to those guys.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Yea bro...that's what I said. You're using no. of games played as a constant for every player. So...when I posted Kobe averaged about 12ppg in his first 164 games - he scored approx 1968 pts. Jordan scored 4592 in his first 164 games. Wilt scored almost 6232 pts. So, I don't think you can call this fair either.

Whether you do first 164 games or first 500 games...Kobe will be at a disadvantage because he jumped straight from high school and needed couple of years to figure out how to play at that level - so his pts scored in first 250 games or so were poor compared to those guys.

How is that not fair? Are they all not playing in the NBA? Just because Kobe wasn't starting early in his career doesn't change the fact that he started playing in the NBA at age 18. If Kobe came into the NBA at 21 he would no have any of the records people have been arguing about.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Kobe didn't come out as a 1st team starter, either. He was a support player his first couple of years.

Yeup. He started like 10 games his first two years lol.

Originally posted by valrod33:

MJ at age 21 scored 2313 points Kobe at age 21 had already scored 4240 points

Wilt at age 23 scored 2707 points, Kobe at 23 already had 8197 points

Kareem at age 22 scored 2361 points, Kobe at 22 had 6178 points

Malone at age 22 scored 1203 Kobe at 22 had 6178 points

Kobe ppg for first 2 seasons: 12ppg
MJ: 28ppg
WIlt: 38ppg
Kareem: 30.5ppg
Malone: 17.5ppg (by third season he was averaging 28 a game)

So...I don't think strictly using no. of games played makes it any fair-er - especially when Kobe started like 10 games in his first two years but played in pretty much every game for few minutes.

The stat stoney posted was Total points not PPG so yeah

I know. But I'm disagreeing with you. You're saying it should be points scored by no. of games played - which is ppg. Lol...so, I listed ppg for first 164 games or so and you can see your way is just as flawed.

I think you need to go back and re-read this convo

"I really wish they would use games played as a barometer instead of age"

lol you're basically saying do it by ppg

Not at all.

Im saying instead of saying no person has scored more points by a certain age to say Kobe bryant has scored the most points in the first 5000 games of his career than anybody in NBA history.


Some guys came into the league at different ages so a fair-er way to me is to use games played as the measuring stick not age

Yea bro...that's what I said. You're using no. of games played as a constant for every player. So...when I posted Kobe averaged about 12ppg in his first 164 games - he scored approx 1968 pts. Jordan scored 4592 in his first 164 games. Wilt scored almost 6232 pts. So, I don't think you can call this fair either.

Whether you do first 164 games or first 500 games...Kobe will be at a disadvantage because he jumped straight from high school and needed couple of years to figure out how to play at that level - so his pts scored in first 250 games or so were poor compared to those guys.

I think you're forgetting or don't have knowledge that val hates Kobe with a passion. Especially since mrs val and val jr love Kobe. So he'll scew any arguement against the greatest scorer of his generation. lol

It doesnt matter if its Kobe or Jordan or whoever, I hate when people use age as a measuring point for stats. not everybody came in the league at the same age thats why IMO i think games played is better measuring stick



If it would say Kobe Bryant was the fastest to 30,000 points and then said he did it in 1000 games or whatever i have no problem with that

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Yea bro...that's what I said. You're using no. of games played as a constant for every player. So...when I posted Kobe averaged about 12ppg in his first 164 games - he scored approx 1968 pts. Jordan scored 4592 in his first 164 games. Wilt scored almost 6232 pts. So, I don't think you can call this fair either.

Whether you do first 164 games or first 500 games...Kobe will be at a disadvantage because he jumped straight from high school and needed couple of years to figure out how to play at that level - so his pts scored in first 250 games or so were poor compared to those guys.

How is that not fair? Are they all not playing in the NBA? Just because Kobe wasn't starting early in his career doesn't change the fact that he started playing in the NBA at age 18. If Kobe came into the NBA at 21 he would no have any of the records people have been arguing about.

That's debatable. How can one say that? Maybe Kobe would have been a better player had he gone to college at Duke and have an even greater NBA career.

If someone becomes a millionaire at 25...they are a millionaire at 25. No one gives a f**k whether that person started his career at 18...or at 22. No one stopped those other guys from trying to get a job in the NBA. Clearly they felt they weren't ready for the big stage or had other priorities. Kobe started his NBA career with 0pts just like everyone else.

The simple point of that stat is - Kobe achieved more as a scorer than anyone else in the history of the game by the age of 36.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Yea bro...that's what I said. You're using no. of games played as a constant for every player. So...when I posted Kobe averaged about 12ppg in his first 164 games - he scored approx 1968 pts. Jordan scored 4592 in his first 164 games. Wilt scored almost 6232 pts. So, I don't think you can call this fair either.

Whether you do first 164 games or first 500 games...Kobe will be at a disadvantage because he jumped straight from high school and needed couple of years to figure out how to play at that level - so his pts scored in first 250 games or so were poor compared to those guys.

How is that not fair? Are they all not playing in the NBA? Just because Kobe wasn't starting early in his career doesn't change the fact that he started playing in the NBA at age 18. If Kobe came into the NBA at 21 he would no have any of the records people have been arguing about.

That's debatable. How can one say that? Maybe Kobe would have been a better player had he gone to college at Duke and have an even greater NBA career.

If someone becomes a millionaire at 25...they are a millionaire at 25. No one gives a f**k whether that person started his career at 18...or at 22. No one stopped those other guys from trying to get a job in the NBA. Clearly they felt they weren't ready for the big stage or had other priorities. Kobe started his NBA career with 0pts just like everyone else.

The simple point of that stat is - Kobe achieved more as a scorer than anyone else in the history of the game by the age of 36.

Except Kobe had 2 more years to do it lol

Originally posted by marshulk:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Yea bro...that's what I said. You're using no. of games played as a constant for every player. So...when I posted Kobe averaged about 12ppg in his first 164 games - he scored approx 1968 pts. Jordan scored 4592 in his first 164 games. Wilt scored almost 6232 pts. So, I don't think you can call this fair either.

Whether you do first 164 games or first 500 games...Kobe will be at a disadvantage because he jumped straight from high school and needed couple of years to figure out how to play at that level - so his pts scored in first 250 games or so were poor compared to those guys.

How is that not fair? Are they all not playing in the NBA? Just because Kobe wasn't starting early in his career doesn't change the fact that he started playing in the NBA at age 18. If Kobe came into the NBA at 21 he would no have any of the records people have been arguing about.

That's debatable. How can one say that? Maybe Kobe would have been a better player had he gone to college at Duke and have an even greater NBA career.

If someone becomes a millionaire at 25...they are a millionaire at 25. No one gives a f**k whether that person started his career at 18...or at 22. No one stopped those other guys from trying to get a job in the NBA. Clearly they felt they weren't ready for the big stage or had other priorities. Kobe started his NBA career with 0pts just like everyone else.

The simple point of that stat is - Kobe achieved more as a scorer than anyone else in the history of the game by the age of 36.

Except Kobe had 2 more years to do it lol

Yea, that's what he chose to do while others needed/wanted to go to college. They decided against going pro but they too had the opportunity to take the same path. Can't put it against him if he was good/smart enough to start at an earlier age.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Yea, that's what he chose to do while others needed/wanted to go to college. They decided against going pro but they too had the opportunity to take the same path. Can't put it against him if he was good/smart enough to start at an earlier age.

But the stat is skewed is it not?

Originally posted by marshulk:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Yea, that's what he chose to do while others needed/wanted to go to college. They decided against going pro but they too had the opportunity to take the same path. Can't put it against him if he was good/smart enough to start at an earlier age.

But the stat is skewed is it not?

It only is because haters gon hate. lol

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by marshulk:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Yea, that's what he chose to do while others needed/wanted to go to college. They decided against going pro but they too had the opportunity to take the same path. Can't put it against him if he was good/smart enough to start at an earlier age.

But the stat is skewed is it not?

It only is because haters gon hate. lol

It has nothing to do with hate, Kobe is probably my favorite player to ever play the game even though I'm a kings fan. He just had 2 more years to score points than everyone else

Originally posted by marshulk:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by marshulk:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Yea, that's what he chose to do while others needed/wanted to go to college. They decided against going pro but they too had the opportunity to take the same path. Can't put it against him if he was good/smart enough to start at an earlier age.

But the stat is skewed is it not?

It only is because haters gon hate. lol

It has nothing to do with hate, Kobe is probably my favorite player to ever play the game even though I'm a kings fan. He just had 2 more years to score points than everyone else

I agree he had an advantage over those other players. Its pretty easy to see.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by marshulk:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Yea, that's what he chose to do while others needed/wanted to go to college. They decided against going pro but they too had the opportunity to take the same path. Can't put it against him if he was good/smart enough to start at an earlier age.

But the stat is skewed is it not?

It only is because haters gon hate. lol

Who really cares? LeBron gonna take all those records anyways.

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by marshulk:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Yea, that's what he chose to do while others needed/wanted to go to college. They decided against going pro but they too had the opportunity to take the same path. Can't put it against him if he was good/smart enough to start at an earlier age.

But the stat is skewed is it not?

It only is because haters gon hate. lol

Who really cares? LeBron gonna take all those records anyways.

And then Durant's going to take them from LeBron a couple of years later, even with the forced year of college.