Malone, Pippen elected to Hall

Originally posted by crzy:
That's not fair. Pippen was 35 in 2000.

Just the fact that the Blazers almost beat the Lakers says something to me.

Word. The Shaq-led Lakers were pretty damn good.

Originally posted by crzy:
That's not fair. Pippen was 35 in 2000.

Just the fact that the Blazers almost beat the Lakers says something to me.

Yeah, that's a ridiculous argument.

Pippen had one year where the team was his, and that team made the ECFs despite having the worst starting SG in the league. I agree that he's in the Top 25. IMO, he's the 6th best wing player ever behind Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Robertson, and LeBron.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Apr 7, 2010 at 20:16:18 ]

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

That's a kick ass video right there. He guards every position on the court, and shows how good he was at every aspect of defense. Full court pressure, beating his man to the spot, fronting, shooting the passing lanes, weak side shot blocking, taking charges...everything.

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

I remember this s**t.... they need more commercials like this nowadays, instead Charles Barkley just lays around in a recliner while Dwight Howard acts like a queer.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

That's a kick ass video right there. He guards every position on the court, and shows how good he was at every aspect of defense. Full court pressure, beating his man to the spot, fronting, shooting the passing lanes, weak side shot blocking, taking charges...everything.

That was beautiful!

Originally posted by TheSixthRing:

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

I remember this s**t.... they need more commercials like this nowadays, instead Charles Barkley just lays around in a recliner while Dwight Howard acts like a queer.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by TheSixthRing:

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

I remember this s**t.... they need more commercials like this nowadays, instead Charles Barkley just lays around in a recliner while Dwight Howard acts like a queer.

And WTF?!? A coke only cost a quarter back then???

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by crzy:

Originally posted by Niners99:
and the best PF in NBA history

Karl Malone accomplished absolutely nothing in his prime.

Only when Barkley, Hakeem were way past their primes, and the Kemp Sonics imploded did the Jazz make the Finals.

One of the most overrated players in NBA history.

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all time leading scorers:

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 38,387
2. Karl Malone - 36,928
3. Michael Jordan - 32,292
4. Wilt Chamberlain - 31,419
5. Shaquille O'Neal - 28,255



34. Tim Duncan - 20,330

Malone is also 1st in NBA history in free throws attempted and made, as well as 1st in defensive rebounds.

i watched Malone play alot more than most other people. he was that good, and he was the best PF ever. people have the same bias against Malone that they do with Barry Bonds. you dont like Malone, you think hes an ass, and a crappy person, so you laugh off the notion that the NBA's 2nd all time leading scorer might be the best to play his position.

basketball is a team sport. Malone not winning any titles shouldnt detract from how hes remembered as a player. he was an MVP caliber force that could dominate the paint, and stick a fade jumper in your face on the perimeter.

That's a terrible argument. Karl Malone played for 19 seasons, which is why he's #2 all time on the list. It's a testament to his longevity. He was a slightly better scorer than Duncan, but Duncan was a better rebounder and a MUCH, MUCH better defender.

You say that he ran into the "Jordan buzzsaw", but the truth is...he only got out of the West twice in his 18 years in Utah, despite having arguably the 2nd best PG of all time feeding him the ball. That has nothing to do with the Bulls. By contrast, Duncan's lead his team to 4 titles despite having to face the Kobe/Shaq Lakers for years.

Duncan was the better player, and it isn't really all that close.

a slightly better scorer eh? how about Duncan would have to nearly DOUBLE his current total of career pts in the next 6 seasons to catch Malone. 37,000 pts in 19 years > 20,000 pts in 13 years.

better rebounder? really? if duncan continues at his current career pace, hed be at 16,000 rebounds in 19 seasons compared to Malones 15,000 rebounds in 19 seasons. lets see if he lasts 6 more years first. you said "better rebounder" so confidently for someone who didnt look up the stats first. so IF he keeps up his career pace for 6 more years, he will be "slightly" better than Malone at rebounds.

Malone may have not been as good of a defender as Duncan, but he still was on 3 NBA all-defensive 1st teams and 1 second team.

Malone has a better career FG%, higher career MVP award shares, a better free throw shooter (74% career vs duncans 68%), he ranks 43rd all time in assists, despite being a PF, was a better passer, 10th all time in steals, again duncan nowhere to be found.

Duncan winning the rings is the only reason why you are high on him over Malone. and winning an NBA championship is a team effort. you think Duncan is solely responsible for any Spurs championship? heck no.

is Ben Roethlisberger a better QB than Dan Marino because he quarterbacked his team to more championships? Duncan is very good. 2nd best. but Malone was just too dominant for too long in too many different areas to not be number 1. he was an elite caliber scorer, rebounder, passer, and his assists and steals abilities for his position were incredible. he was also a very good defender as well as free throw shooter.

[ Edited by Niners99 on Apr 8, 2010 at 01:12:47 ]

Yeah, Malone's 3.6 assists per game are way more significant than Duncan's 3.2. And using career totals doesn't explain anything except longevity. Malone, in his best year, grabbed 12 boards a game, which is just above Duncan's career average of 11.6 (compared to Malone's 10.1). Duncan is a far superior rebounder and defender. In all of his 12 seasons, Duncan has either made the first or second all defensive team (8 first team). Malone made 4, and only 3 first.

And let's not act like it was anyone but Tim Duncan that lead the team to the 99 and 03 championships (especially 2003).

Oh, and one of those years Malone won MVP, Duncan won Finals MVP. Which do you think Malone would rather have?

Duncan's #1 because you can just tell the difference he makes for the spurs... he's got 4 titles to back it up. Parker and Ginobili weren't even that polished IMO during their first 2 titles.

He's kinda like a nose tackle, in the way that he won't put up all-world stats but you can see the impact he makes.