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Originally posted by dman:Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by dman:Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by dman:Originally posted by StOnEy333:
I take Monta Ellis
taken
Damn, I tried to look through everybody.
You get Pig Miller as punishment ...
YES!!!
Dude I love those mid 90's Lakers
Originally posted by SLICK:
When I was in HS, the rumor was that Lloyd Daniels was the greatest outdoor bball player of all-time. He was supposed to go to UNLV with Tark, but messed it up some how. SI had a big article on him in the early 90's. I so was anxious to see him finally sign with an NBA team. Not even CLOSE to the hype....
Originally posted by MoistButtCheeks:
Dont forget about Anthony Peeler
Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by AmpLee:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by AmpLee:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Love in here for Elmore Smith and Alvin Adams but nothing for Maurice Lucas? LOL Smith was a totally 1 dimensional player who never made an AS team. Adams had a good rookie year and made 1 AS game but not much more. Lucas made several AS games and was the leading scorer on the 76 Blazers that won the title with Bill Walton. He was probably the toughest player in the NBA at that time... someone no one would mess with.
I can see the virtue of taking a shot blocker like Smith but Lucas was by far and away the best player taken so far in round 8.
Wow, are you really campaigning for people to ride your jock?
LOL. No. I just think Lucas was a solid pick and a very underrated player who was a star. Just wanted to point it out to those that are too young to know him. I think most of us have made some good picks and bad ones ( in my case George Mikan wasnt the best where I took him) but I though Lucas was a steal there.
He was a nice pick judging by the stats. I don't think enough people know about some of these guys to really comment on these picks. I know I don't.
I agree. Obviously we all know the players from the 90s on. Its the players from the 80's and earlier that the younger Zone members are not too familiar with. Stats dont always tell the story either. Lucas was just a bad bad man who was a true enforcer yet could play great defense and still skilled enough to be his teams leading scorer. Put it this way... he is exactly the type of player that the Warriors need right now.
Lucas definitely was a good pick. He was a tough guy, but he was helped out considerably by Walton on the defensive end. The only times Lucas made the all-defensive team in his 14 year career is when he played next to Bill Walton. He wasn't a shot-blocker or shot-changer, and was extremely turnover and foul prone. A power forward that averages more than 4 turnovers & 4 fouls per game in the same season is incredible.
Excellent two-way player, no doubt, but I think that all-star appearances are overrated.
As for Smith, he wasn't one-dimensional...he was two-dimensional. He was a superb rebounder an all-time great shot blocker. Lucas needed the ball a lot more than Smith did. Not that that is a bad thing, but on an all-time team there are plenty of guys who can score.
EDIT: I also think that there are a lot more quality PFs available than Centers. I did consider Lucas with my pick, but I can get another PF later that isn't a big dropoff from Lucas.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by AmpLee:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by AmpLee:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Love in here for Elmore Smith and Alvin Adams but nothing for Maurice Lucas? LOL Smith was a totally 1 dimensional player who never made an AS team. Adams had a good rookie year and made 1 AS game but not much more. Lucas made several AS games and was the leading scorer on the 76 Blazers that won the title with Bill Walton. He was probably the toughest player in the NBA at that time... someone no one would mess with.
I can see the virtue of taking a shot blocker like Smith but Lucas was by far and away the best player taken so far in round 8.
Wow, are you really campaigning for people to ride your jock?
LOL. No. I just think Lucas was a solid pick and a very underrated player who was a star. Just wanted to point it out to those that are too young to know him. I think most of us have made some good picks and bad ones ( in my case George Mikan wasnt the best where I took him) but I though Lucas was a steal there.
He was a nice pick judging by the stats. I don't think enough people know about some of these guys to really comment on these picks. I know I don't.
I agree. Obviously we all know the players from the 90s on. Its the players from the 80's and earlier that the younger Zone members are not too familiar with. Stats dont always tell the story either. Lucas was just a bad bad man who was a true enforcer yet could play great defense and still skilled enough to be his teams leading scorer. Put it this way... he is exactly the type of player that the Warriors need right now.
Lucas definitely was a good pick. He was a tough guy, but he was helped out considerably by Walton on the defensive end. The only times Lucas made the all-defensive team in his 14 year career is when he played next to Bill Walton. He wasn't a shot-blocker or shot-changer, and was extremely turnover and foul prone. A power forward that averages more than 4 turnovers & 4 fouls per game in the same season is incredible.
Excellent two-way player, no doubt, but I think that all-star appearances are overrated.
As for Smith, he wasn't one-dimensional...he was two-dimensional. He was a superb rebounder an all-time great shot blocker. Lucas needed the ball a lot more than Smith did. Not that that is a bad thing, but on an all-time team there are plenty of guys who can score.
EDIT: I also think that there are a lot more quality PFs available than Centers. I did consider Lucas with my pick, but I can get another PF later that isn't a big dropoff from Lucas.
Pete... I just dont see how all star teams are overrated. If he was selected to simply start because of fan voting and popularity I would agree. That wasnt the case however. I think AS games is a great measure of whether a player is a star in the league. Lucas was an NBA all star 5 times. I do think that means a lot.
As for ALL defense team.. yes he made it once. The vast majority of players including those taken in this draft never make it at all. Sure he benefited from Walton. Who wouldnt? I dont know if any other player that Walton ever played with received such an award however.
Originally posted by TX9R:
I will say I have really enjoyed this, learning about different players and eras and how much the game has changed. I'm kind of a casual fan, but I've also been surprised at how much I actually do know about the NBA and it's history for someone who hasn't followed the sport as much as say the NFL. I'll be sad when this is over, how many more rounds have we got now?
Originally posted by dman:Originally posted by MoistButtCheeks:
Dont forget about Anthony Peeler
KG fears Peeler!
Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by LA9erFan:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by AmpLee:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Originally posted by AmpLee:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Love in here for Elmore Smith and Alvin Adams but nothing for Maurice Lucas? LOL Smith was a totally 1 dimensional player who never made an AS team. Adams had a good rookie year and made 1 AS game but not much more. Lucas made several AS games and was the leading scorer on the 76 Blazers that won the title with Bill Walton. He was probably the toughest player in the NBA at that time... someone no one would mess with.
I can see the virtue of taking a shot blocker like Smith but Lucas was by far and away the best player taken so far in round 8.
Wow, are you really campaigning for people to ride your jock?
LOL. No. I just think Lucas was a solid pick and a very underrated player who was a star. Just wanted to point it out to those that are too young to know him. I think most of us have made some good picks and bad ones ( in my case George Mikan wasnt the best where I took him) but I though Lucas was a steal there.
He was a nice pick judging by the stats. I don't think enough people know about some of these guys to really comment on these picks. I know I don't.
I agree. Obviously we all know the players from the 90s on. Its the players from the 80's and earlier that the younger Zone members are not too familiar with. Stats dont always tell the story either. Lucas was just a bad bad man who was a true enforcer yet could play great defense and still skilled enough to be his teams leading scorer. Put it this way... he is exactly the type of player that the Warriors need right now.
Lucas definitely was a good pick. He was a tough guy, but he was helped out considerably by Walton on the defensive end. The only times Lucas made the all-defensive team in his 14 year career is when he played next to Bill Walton. He wasn't a shot-blocker or shot-changer, and was extremely turnover and foul prone. A power forward that averages more than 4 turnovers & 4 fouls per game in the same season is incredible.
Excellent two-way player, no doubt, but I think that all-star appearances are overrated.
As for Smith, he wasn't one-dimensional...he was two-dimensional. He was a superb rebounder an all-time great shot blocker. Lucas needed the ball a lot more than Smith did. Not that that is a bad thing, but on an all-time team there are plenty of guys who can score.
EDIT: I also think that there are a lot more quality PFs available than Centers. I did consider Lucas with my pick, but I can get another PF later that isn't a big dropoff from Lucas.
Pete... I just dont see how all star teams are overrated. If he was selected to simply start because of fan voting and popularity I would agree. That wasnt the case however. I think AS games is a great measure of whether a player is a star in the league. Lucas was an NBA all star 5 times. I do think that means a lot.
As for ALL defense team.. yes he made it once. The vast majority of players including those taken in this draft never make it at all. Sure he benefited from Walton. Who wouldnt? I dont know if any other player that Walton ever played with received such an award however.
I think I came across as sounding like I disliked your pick more than I do. He was a good pick, no doubt. I think this is an appropriate spot in the draft for him, but I think that I was overly negative because of you asking for props on the pick.
He was an excellent player, no doubt.
Originally posted by dobophile:Originally posted by SLICK:
I was watching the ESPN Top 10 NBA shots of the decade. Didn't Fisher have a turnaround against the Spurs in the Playoffs with less than a second left? It wasn't on there if he did.
Never. Happened.
