49ers 2026 Salary Cap=$44,753,782 of 9/18/26 on a $340.1M adjusted salary cap

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Again for anyone who's worried, just read this article, keeping Bosa, Deebo, & Aiyuk is possible, as well as keeping DJ, Laken, Key, Willis, K'Waun, Al-Shaair, etc... https://49erscap.com/index.php/2022/02/13/an-updated-look-at-the-49ers-2022-salary-cap-situation-another-deep-look-at-the-49ers-2023-salary-cap-situation/

Quickly, if we kept all the above, what would our available cap situation be, factoring in estimate for draft pick salaries?

Put it another way, what outside FA spending will we have if we keep our core FAs?

We'd be fine, we have to get under the cap before we trade Jimmy, so we're gonna have to restructure 2 deals, I chose Armstead & Trent, saves the team over $15M combined, would put us at about $3M under, this assumes they re-sign Street & Brunskill to 1yr deals worth in the $1.265M range, and Al-Shaair to a multi-year deal with a $1.3M ish cap number for 2022, then you add in the $25.55M, we'd have over $28M to begin FA to re-sign DJ, Laken, Willis, Key, K'Waun, Tartt, Wilson, etc... Plus add some outside FAs, while keeping the 2023 cap healthy enough to extend Aiyuk(Deebo & Bosa are getting extended this offseason GTD IMO).

Check this, https://49erscap.com/index.php/2022-offseason-plan/, I have them re-signing those players, extending Deebo, Bosa, & Dre, and we'd be at $20M under, this is due to the low 2022 cap numbers for the FAs, as for Draft Picks, take away $7,964,844 which is what our current picks would cost, now if we were counting every player, before picks, we're $13M under, so we would be able to add 1-2 FAs with low 2022 cap numbers.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Agreed. Though I'd feel a lot better if we can find a "mid-tier" veteran CB. Not saying to try and get a Jalen Ramsey-level CB, but someone that can hold up long enough for our pass rush to get there.

I'm talking guys like... Walt Harris in 2006, and in 2011, we signed Carlos Rogers to a one-year deal for $4.5M. I assume, with 11 years of inflation... that's like... $5, 6, 7, 8M in today's numbers? Can we afford to sign a guy like that and still resign a lot of our important guys?

If they can get a good CB on a reasonable deal, I'm all for it, it all depends on what the price tag is for that mid-tier CB, and how many years he'd sign for, if it's a 1yr deal they'd add in incentives IMO, but yes, we'd be able to keep our more important guys.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm not for it, just because Pitt is ok now, and the FQB, the fact is redoing those deals, just to sign players is the reason why Pitt is rebuilding, and why GB, NO are way over the cap for 2022, this is the worst way to go, I don't get why people don't see it, the idea of Rodgers or Brady, we can't afford either plus bring back any FAs.

I'm all for trading or signing key players, but not at the risk of f**king the cap up in the future, did the late 90s & early 2000s not teach anyone why you don't redo deals over & over again? We were in cap hell, not anymore, if you go crazy in FA or trades, you're going back to the late 90s- early 2000s after the 49ers paid players under the table, it cost Eddie D the team, and f**ked our cap up.

I'm not advocating screwing the cap for a cool decade and those teams weren't bad because we were cap strapped, those teams were also bad because of the coaching. I'd also add that the 49ers were had good teams in the late 90s. It wasn't until 2003 when Dennis Erickson took over was when things got pretty bad. Those late 90s Mariucci teams were pretty darn good and honestly, not at all different from where this current squad is today in terms of how deep they would get into the playoffs. I think there are levels of going into cap debt.

It wasn't just the cap in the 2003 and on, but it was the entire FUBAR with Walsh leaving the FO, Terry Donahue taking over, the entire organization was bad. And despite drafting high, the team really didn't come back until - well -better coaching (Harbs). And then sucked again with two bad coaches until Shanahan.

Green Bay has a HOF QB. You keep and extend an HOF QB. I just feel like the cap shouldn't be the goal, rather winning should be, putting together a team that can win it all. I'm not advocating paying players under the table. I'm just saying we can't be completely risk averse because what we're doing today isn't winning championships.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Also is adding some overpriced vet worth losing Deebo, Bosa, Aiyuk? Cause that will happen, you sign some overpriced player long term, or keep redoing deals, we won't be able to keep them.

It depends on who it is. Would I trade to acquire a FQB in this offense for Aiyuk in what will be a weak NFC next year? Yes, yes I would. Because ultimately at some point you won't be able to keep Deebo, Bosa, Aiyuk, Fred, Ward, Williams, et al anyway plus what we're eventually going to pay whoever plays at QB. Team talent ebbs and flows. It's just the way of the NFL. I think trying to maintain a dynasty with a perfect cap situation is very, very hard and only the Patriots have done it recently. I don't see KC following in their footsteps even with Mahommes. KC can easily become the Saints under Brees and Peyton.

I'd love to be in cap hell this year coming off celebrating a 6th World Championship because at the end of the day, it's not our money.

But I hear ya bud, I don't want cap hell for like 10 years.

I understand, I just don't want them to actually screw up the cap long term, if they can get a solid player for a reasonable price, yes bring them in, but not at the cost of Bosa, Deebo, Aiyuk's extensions. Yes there will be a time where we won't have those players, but also remember that guys like Warner, Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, & Bosa are all younger, where Trent, Ward, & Armstead are much older, so no guarantee those 3 get new deals, this is likely Trent's last deal(big deal)

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Great article. That was a lot of moving parts, but I like the longterm look at both 2022 and 2023 as well as the rationale for who would get approached and who didn't. Looking at the roster, I really don't see the need to bring in a big FA and just don't see how they can when you take everything into account and articles like this spell out why it would be difficult to do this. It's not impossible, but I'd rather we not keep borrowing against future years because as we are going to see with the Saints, the bill will eventually come. I was surprised by you having Key getting a 4 year deal. What's the norm for a player that is only playing in a backup role? I suppose the benefit is that they can spread out the signing bonus over the length of the contract. At any rate, this is Paraag's biggest offseason yet.

Thanks man, I'm on the fence about Arden Key, I wonder if he was just a product of Kocurek's W9 scheme, like Hyder, it'd likely be 2-3 yrs, I just don't see him getting huge offers, same with Jordan Willis. And yes the ability to spread the bonus over 4yr or however many years helps, especially in 2022 when we need to be smart with every dollar(well million lol).

Originally posted by kirkscrafford:
Love reading all your analyses, AB!

Thanks man, appreciate it,

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm not for it, just because Pitt is ok now, and the FQB, the fact is redoing those deals, just to sign players is the reason why Pitt is rebuilding, and why GB, NO are way over the cap for 2022, this is the worst way to go, I don't get why people don't see it, the idea of Rodgers or Brady, we can't afford either plus bring back any FAs.

I'm all for trading or signing key players, but not at the risk of f**king the cap up in the future, did the late 90s & early 2000s not teach anyone why you don't redo deals over & over again? We were in cap hell, not anymore, if you go crazy in FA or trades, you're going back to the late 90s- early 2000s after the 49ers paid players under the table, it cost Eddie D the team, and f**ked our cap up.

I'm not advocating screwing the cap for a cool decade and those teams weren't bad because we were cap strapped, those teams were also bad because of the coaching. I'd also add that the 49ers were had good teams in the late 90s. It wasn't until 2003 when Dennis Erickson took over was when things got pretty bad. Those late 90s Mariucci teams were pretty darn good and honestly, not at all different from where this current squad is today in terms of how deep they would get into the playoffs. I think there are levels of going into cap debt.

It wasn't just the cap in the 2003 and on, but it was the entire FUBAR with Walsh leaving the FO, Terry Donahue taking over, the entire organization was bad. And despite drafting high, the team really didn't come back until - well -better coaching (Harbs). And then sucked again with two bad coaches until Shanahan.

Green Bay has a HOF QB. You keep and extend an HOF QB. I just feel like the cap shouldn't be the goal, rather winning should be, putting together a team that can win it all. I'm not advocating paying players under the table. I'm just saying we can't be completely risk averse because what we're doing today isn't winning championships.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Also is adding some overpriced vet worth losing Deebo, Bosa, Aiyuk? Cause that will happen, you sign some overpriced player long term, or keep redoing deals, we won't be able to keep them.

It depends on who it is. Would I trade to acquire a FQB in this offense for Aiyuk in what will be a weak NFC next year? Yes, yes I would. Because ultimately at some point you won't be able to keep Deebo, Bosa, Aiyuk, Fred, Ward, Williams, et al anyway plus what we're eventually going to pay whoever plays at QB. Team talent ebbs and flows. It's just the way of the NFL. I think trying to maintain a dynasty with a perfect cap situation is very, very hard and only the Patriots have done it recently. I don't see KC following in their footsteps even with Mahommes. KC can easily become the Saints under Brees and Peyton.

I'd love to be in cap hell this year coming off celebrating a 6th World Championship because at the end of the day, it's not our money.

But I hear ya bud, I don't want cap hell for like 10 years.

I'd make the trade if we didn't already have Lance. We just saw Joe Burrow make a Super Bowl with far less to work with, on both offense and defense (and I mean talent across the board because Joe Burrow absolutely has talent at the receiver position). I think the sustainability will come from if they team can continue to add talent at the rate they are doing. For all of our All-Pros, or should be All-Pro players, only one was drafted in the first. Then outside of that group of 4, we have added players that play at a high level yearly. Will it win us a Super Bowl? I don't know, but the Rams didn't know before they won, neither did the Bucs, nor the Chiefs, Patriots, Eagles, Broncos, etc. What recent history is showing us is that both ways work very well (building a team- Patriots, Eagles, Chiefs) verses getting a high caliber veteran QB (Broncos, Rams). If we were going to do it, last season was it and we passed up on it.

I think people say that now, they'd rather be celebrating a Super Bowl, but I don't think fans of Kansas City or Tampa took that approach of hey, we just won in 2019/20, so it's all good that we got bounced from the playoffs. People really want to win every year. Honestly, all of this back and forth is pointless because nothing will really be settled until we see Trey get his shot at it for a season or 2.

Agreed, plus if you end up bringing in Rodgers or Brady, how long do they stay, 1yr, then Lance hasn't played a full season since 2019, then going into yr 3, he'd be a starter for 1 yr before they have to make a decision on his 5th yr option in the 2024 offseason, which will come in at most likely $20M+ fully GTD.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Again for anyone who's worried, just read this article, keeping Bosa, Deebo, & Aiyuk is possible, as well as keeping DJ, Laken, Key, Willis, K'Waun, Al-Shaair, etc... https://49erscap.com/index.php/2022/02/13/an-updated-look-at-the-49ers-2022-salary-cap-situation-another-deep-look-at-the-49ers-2023-salary-cap-situation/

Quickly, if we kept all the above, what would our available cap situation be, factoring in estimate for draft pick salaries?

Put it another way, what outside FA spending will we have if we keep our core FAs?

Yeah, I'm all about signing our own but every team does that. And this isn't a Superbowl roster. So what can we ADD to our own to get us closer to striking distance? That's what the off season is all about.

Is this team a SB team? Maybe, Maybe Not, we could have been in the SB. If you're gonna add key pieces, it has to be for a reasonable price tag, not overpaying players that you just know will end up being bad, or hurt the cap.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Again for anyone who's worried, just read this article, keeping Bosa, Deebo, & Aiyuk is possible, as well as keeping DJ, Laken, Key, Willis, K'Waun, Al-Shaair, etc... https://49erscap.com/index.php/2022/02/13/an-updated-look-at-the-49ers-2022-salary-cap-situation-another-deep-look-at-the-49ers-2023-salary-cap-situation/

Quickly, if we kept all the above, what would our available cap situation be, factoring in estimate for draft pick salaries?

Put it another way, what outside FA spending will we have if we keep our core FAs?

We'd be fine, we have to get under the cap before we trade Jimmy, so we're gonna have to restructure 2 deals, I chose Armstead & Trent, saves the team over $15M combined, would put us at about $3M under, this assumes they re-sign Street & Brunskill to 1yr deals worth in the $1.265M range, and Al-Shaair to a multi-year deal with a $1.3M ish cap number for 2022, then you add in the $25.55M, we'd have over $28M to begin FA to re-sign DJ, Laken, Willis, Key, K'Waun, Tartt, Wilson, etc... Plus add some outside FAs, while keeping the 2023 cap healthy enough to extend Aiyuk(Deebo & Bosa are getting extended this offseason GTD IMO).

Check this, https://49erscap.com/index.php/2022-offseason-plan/, I have them re-signing those players, extending Deebo, Bosa, & Dre, and we'd be at $20M under, this is due to the low 2022 cap numbers for the FAs, as for Draft Picks, take away $7,964,844 which is what our current picks would cost, now if we were counting every player, before picks, we're $13M under, so we would be able to add 1-2 FAs with low 2022 cap numbers.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Agreed. Though I'd feel a lot better if we can find a "mid-tier" veteran CB. Not saying to try and get a Jalen Ramsey-level CB, but someone that can hold up long enough for our pass rush to get there.

I'm talking guys like... Walt Harris in 2006, and in 2011, we signed Carlos Rogers to a one-year deal for $4.5M. I assume, with 11 years of inflation... that's like... $5, 6, 7, 8M in today's numbers? Can we afford to sign a guy like that and still resign a lot of our important guys?

If they can get a good CB on a reasonable deal, I'm all for it, it all depends on what the price tag is for that mid-tier CB, and how many years he'd sign for, if it's a 1yr deal they'd add in incentives IMO, but yes, we'd be able to keep our more important guys.

Hmmm... Just going off this: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency

How about?:
Casey Hayward Jr. (Raiders) --- 32 years old, comes from a Zone-Heavy scheme, 1 year deal for $6, $7M.
Steven Nelson (Eagles) --- 29 years old, feisty... PFF says two year, $14M deal. Can we stomach that?
Rasul Douglas (Packers) --- 26 years old, 6'2, but not so great in man, PFF says 3 year deal..

And then there's a number of older CB's like Robert Alford (Cardinals), Patrick Peterson (Vikings), Joe Haden (Steelers). Pretty sure they've all lost a step, but I'd be interested in kicking the tires for a one year deal.

PFF suggested that Jason Verrett's price tag would be $3M. Would we be willing to bring him back on an incentive-laden contract?

Ambry Thomas looks like he's going to have a solid career, but we still need to do some drafting here, I think. I feel we need to find veteran CB's so we're not having to rely on rookies and these young guys.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I'm not for it, just because Pitt is ok now, and the FQB, the fact is redoing those deals, just to sign players is the reason why Pitt is rebuilding, and why GB, NO are way over the cap for 2022, this is the worst way to go, I don't get why people don't see it, the idea of Rodgers or Brady, we can't afford either plus bring back any FAs.

I'm all for trading or signing key players, but not at the risk of f**king the cap up in the future, did the late 90s & early 2000s not teach anyone why you don't redo deals over & over again? We were in cap hell, not anymore, if you go crazy in FA or trades, you're going back to the late 90s- early 2000s after the 49ers paid players under the table, it cost Eddie D the team, and f**ked our cap up.

I'm not advocating screwing the cap for a cool decade and those teams weren't bad because we were cap strapped, those teams were also bad because of the coaching. I'd also add that the 49ers were had good teams in the late 90s. It wasn't until 2003 when Dennis Erickson took over was when things got pretty bad. Those late 90s Mariucci teams were pretty darn good and honestly, not at all different from where this current squad is today in terms of how deep they would get into the playoffs. I think there are levels of going into cap debt.

It wasn't just the cap in the 2003 and on, but it was the entire FUBAR with Walsh leaving the FO, Terry Donahue taking over, the entire organization was bad. And despite drafting high, the team really didn't come back until - well -better coaching (Harbs). And then sucked again with two bad coaches until Shanahan.

Green Bay has a HOF QB. You keep and extend an HOF QB. I just feel like the cap shouldn't be the goal, rather winning should be, putting together a team that can win it all. I'm not advocating paying players under the table. I'm just saying we can't be completely risk averse because what we're doing today isn't winning championships.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Also is adding some overpriced vet worth losing Deebo, Bosa, Aiyuk? Cause that will happen, you sign some overpriced player long term, or keep redoing deals, we won't be able to keep them.

It depends on who it is. Would I trade to acquire a FQB in this offense for Aiyuk in what will be a weak NFC next year? Yes, yes I would. Because ultimately at some point you won't be able to keep Deebo, Bosa, Aiyuk, Fred, Ward, Williams, et al anyway plus what we're eventually going to pay whoever plays at QB. Team talent ebbs and flows. It's just the way of the NFL. I think trying to maintain a dynasty with a perfect cap situation is very, very hard and only the Patriots have done it recently. I don't see KC following in their footsteps even with Mahommes. KC can easily become the Saints under Brees and Peyton.

I'd love to be in cap hell this year coming off celebrating a 6th World Championship because at the end of the day, it's not our money.

But I hear ya bud, I don't want cap hell for like 10 years.

I'd make the trade if we didn't already have Lance. We just saw Joe Burrow make a Super Bowl with far less to work with, on both offense and defense (and I mean talent across the board because Joe Burrow absolutely has talent at the receiver position). I think the sustainability will come from if they team can continue to add talent at the rate they are doing. For all of our All-Pros, or should be All-Pro players, only one was drafted in the first. Then outside of that group of 4, we have added players that play at a high level yearly. Will it win us a Super Bowl? I don't know, but the Rams didn't know before they won, neither did the Bucs, nor the Chiefs, Patriots, Eagles, Broncos, etc. What recent history is showing us is that both ways work very well (building a team- Patriots, Eagles, Chiefs) verses getting a high caliber veteran QB (Broncos, Rams). If we were going to do it, last season was it and we passed up on it.

I think people say that now, they'd rather be celebrating a Super Bowl, but I don't think fans of Kansas City or Tampa took that approach of hey, we just won in 2019/20, so it's all good that we got bounced from the playoffs. People really want to win every year. Honestly, all of this back and forth is pointless because nothing will really be settled until we see Trey get his shot at it for a season or 2.

Agreed, plus if you end up bringing in Rodgers or Brady, how long do they stay, 1yr, then Lance hasn't played a full season since 2019, then going into yr 3, he'd be a starter for 1 yr before they have to make a decision on his 5th yr option in the 2024 offseason, which will come in at most likely $20M+ fully GTD.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Again for anyone who's worried, just read this article, keeping Bosa, Deebo, & Aiyuk is possible, as well as keeping DJ, Laken, Key, Willis, K'Waun, Al-Shaair, etc... https://49erscap.com/index.php/2022/02/13/an-updated-look-at-the-49ers-2022-salary-cap-situation-another-deep-look-at-the-49ers-2023-salary-cap-situation/

Quickly, if we kept all the above, what would our available cap situation be, factoring in estimate for draft pick salaries?

Put it another way, what outside FA spending will we have if we keep our core FAs?

Yeah, I'm all about signing our own but every team does that. And this isn't a Superbowl roster. So what can we ADD to our own to get us closer to striking distance? That's what the off season is all about.

Is this team a SB team? Maybe, Maybe Not, we could have been in the SB. If you're gonna add key pieces, it has to be for a reasonable price tag, not overpaying players that you just know will end up being bad, or hurt the cap.

Did the Rams overpay?

The goal is to win a Superbowl. Not to be in healthy cap space annually.

Right now we're a top 4-8 team in talent (probably #1 in depth) BUT we have a rookie QB so he's going to need some extra help around him.

Of the teams ahead of us in talent, what are they going to do? You gotta figure the Bengals will go all-in on pass protection (ironically) like the Chiefs did after their Superbowl loss. Rams? Packers? Bills? Chiefs? Cowboys? How about the Chargers?

Every team has their own big ticket in-house players to sign. Like us.

The key will be making up on the talent gap with the top teams via the draft and free agency to get within true striking distance.

This team could be within striking distance after just a few great moves so I can't wait to see what they do!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Did the Rams overpay?

The goal is to win a Superbowl. Not to be in healthy cap space annually.

Right now we're a top 4-8 team in talent (probably #1 in depth) BUT we have a rookie QB so he's going to need some extra help around him.

Of the teams ahead of us in talent, what are they going to do? You gotta figure the Bengals will go all-in on pass protection (ironically) like the Chiefs did after their Superbowl loss. Rams? Packers? Bills? Chiefs? Cowboys? How about the Chargers?

Every team has their own big ticket in-house players to sign. Like us.

The key will be making up on the talent gap with the top teams via the draft and free agency to get within true striking distance.

This team could be within striking distance after just a few great moves so I can't wait to see what they do!

Cap wise, I mean kinda with past deals, there's a reason why they're over the 2022 cap, but draft wise, hell yeah they overpaid, but it worked, kudos to them.

I agree that we're a top 4-8 roster, I believe both starters & depth, we need to keep some key FAs or find suitable replacements, I'm all for adding impact players, as long as we don't use future cap room to do so, or overpay in a way that will clearly hurt the cap, which is why I trust this regime, Paraag is the best in the business, so we'll have the best deals structure wise, so if we can have a impact CB for a reasonable price, you do it, but if the top 2(JC Jackson & Carlton Davis) get tagged, that means those next tier(Charvarius Ward, Donte Jackson, Levi Wallace, Darious Williams, Stephon Gilmore, etc...) will get overpaid with Jackson & Davis off the market.

If we let Laken walk, then maybe they look to move Banks to LG, and sign a James Daniels or Alex Cappa to play RG.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Hmmm... Just going off this: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency

How about?:
Casey Hayward Jr. (Raiders) --- 32 years old, comes from a Zone-Heavy scheme, 1 year deal for $6, $7M.
Steven Nelson (Eagles) --- 29 years old, feisty... PFF says two year, $14M deal. Can we stomach that?
Rasul Douglas (Packers) --- 26 years old, 6'2, but not so great in man, PFF says 3 year deal..

And then there's a number of older CB's like Robert Alford (Cardinals), Patrick Peterson (Vikings), Joe Haden (Steelers). Pretty sure they've all lost a step, but I'd be interested in kicking the tires for a one year deal.

PFF suggested that Jason Verrett's price tag would be $3M. Would we be willing to bring him back on an incentive-laden contract?

Ambry Thomas looks like he's going to have a solid career, but we still need to do some drafting here, I think. I feel we need to find veteran CB's so we're not having to rely on rookies and these young guys.

If they could be had for under $10m a yr yeah it'd be doable, but only 1, like we can't pay Laken & pay James Daniels or Alexa Cappa $10m+ a year, can't tie that much in two guards not when you drafted Banks, -plus Moore & McKivitz.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Hmmm... Just going off this: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency

How about?:
Casey Hayward Jr. (Raiders) --- 32 years old, comes from a Zone-Heavy scheme, 1 year deal for $6, $7M.
Steven Nelson (Eagles) --- 29 years old, feisty... PFF says two year, $14M deal. Can we stomach that?
Rasul Douglas (Packers) --- 26 years old, 6'2, but not so great in man, PFF says 3 year deal..

And then there's a number of older CB's like Robert Alford (Cardinals), Patrick Peterson (Vikings), Joe Haden (Steelers). Pretty sure they've all lost a step, but I'd be interested in kicking the tires for a one year deal.

PFF suggested that Jason Verrett's price tag would be $3M. Would we be willing to bring him back on an incentive-laden contract?

Ambry Thomas looks like he's going to have a solid career, but we still need to do some drafting here, I think. I feel we need to find veteran CB's so we're not having to rely on rookies and these young guys.

If they could be had for under $10m a yr yeah it'd be doable, but only 1, like we can't pay Laken & pay James Daniels or Alexa Cappa $10m+ a year, can't tie that much in two guards not when you drafted Banks, -plus Moore & McKivitz.

I hoping Banks get's a chance.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Hmmm... Just going off this: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency

How about?:
Casey Hayward Jr. (Raiders) --- 32 years old, comes from a Zone-Heavy scheme, 1 year deal for $6, $7M.
Steven Nelson (Eagles) --- 29 years old, feisty... PFF says two year, $14M deal. Can we stomach that?
Rasul Douglas (Packers) --- 26 years old, 6'2, but not so great in man, PFF says 3 year deal..

And then there's a number of older CB's like Robert Alford (Cardinals), Patrick Peterson (Vikings), Joe Haden (Steelers). Pretty sure they've all lost a step, but I'd be interested in kicking the tires for a one year deal.

PFF suggested that Jason Verrett's price tag would be $3M. Would we be willing to bring him back on an incentive-laden contract?

Ambry Thomas looks like he's going to have a solid career, but we still need to do some drafting here, I think. I feel we need to find veteran CB's so we're not having to rely on rookies and these young guys.

If they could be had for under $10m a yr yeah it'd be doable, but only 1, like we can't pay Laken & pay James Daniels or Alexa Cappa $10m+ a year, can't tie that much in two guards not when you drafted Banks, -plus Moore & McKivitz.

I hoping Banks get's a chance.

As do I, but I'd rather us getting in one guard at a time and not two- I'd rather we not run it back with Brunskill. Maybe they are thinking Williams-Banks-Mack-Moore-McGlinchey if they don't bring back Tomlinson. That line-up makes me a lot more nervous than Williams-Tomlinson-Mack-Banks-the best of McGlinchey/Moore/Brunskill/McKitvitz. We'll see.

1st off, AB you're the man.

2nd, I think I read it right that after restructures to AA and Trent, resigning our guys, extending Bosa, Deebo, and Dre, we'd be about $20M under. And then factor another $8M or so for draft picks puts us at $12M under, with other maneuvers we can do if needed.

So that's the number we head to in FA? $12M, and obviously back load contracts when available?

Sorry for the silly question, but we must be under the cap to trade Jimmy G ? Is it because of a money hit we have to make , or can we trade him and set it for a particular date? Unless a day like June 1 after OTAs which constrains us.

Why does the cap space as of 2/14 in the header reflect $8.6+ mil?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
1st off, AB you're the man.

2nd, I think I read it right that after restructures to AA and Trent, resigning our guys, extending Bosa, Deebo, and Dre, we'd be about $20M under. And then factor another $8M or so for draft picks puts us at $12M under, with other maneuvers we can do if needed.

So that's the number we head to in FA? $12M, and obviously back load contracts when available?

This all depends on what their adjustment number comes in at, last year they had over $11M, that was extra cap room to use, as of now I have them at just $618K, so they'd be $8,960,061 over, that assumes the 8 players that will fill in the 51 players(they have 43 signed) are making $705K, but that won't happen, as we have 5 ERFAs, & 3 RFAs.

The 5 ERFAs are RB JaMycal Hasty, WR Jauan Jennings, OL Colton McKivitz, DT Kevin Givens, & SLB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles, those would add up to $4.405M, as Jennings gets the $825K tender, the other 4 the $895K tender, so that would give them 48 players, and be $9,840,061 over the cap.

Now the 3 RFAs are RG Daniel Brunskill, DT Kentavius Street, & SLB Azeez Al-Shaair, I doubt they tender Brunskill, as if they tender him at the lowest($2.443M) we'd get no pick back if he signed elsewhere, which I doubt anyone would sign him for that, and I don't think Street is worth the lowest tender for him($2.54M), as he was a 4th rd pick, which we could get if he signs elsewhere, but we should be able to get both to sign to 1yr deals, in the $1.265M-$1.3M area.

As for Al-Shaair, this depends on if they can get a multi-year deal done with him, with a low 2022 cap number, like $1.3M-$1.5M, $3.5M a yr I think is fair on a multi-year deal, Moseley signed a 2yr deal instead of being tendered, if they tendered Al-Shaair, I believe it'd be the 2nd-round tender($3.986M) because he was a UDFA, we get nothing, & someone will sign him IMO, but not at the 2nd rd tender.

So it's hard to say exactly what they'll be over before they must be cap compliant before 4PM EST/1PM PST on March 16th, plus the fact that they'll be able to negotiate with free agents who have agents on the 14th & 15th, up to the opening of the new league year, which is the 16th at 4pm est/1pm pst as I said above, they have to have Jimmy on the books when the league year opens, so they're either gonna need to redo some deals, or hope they get enough adjustments/credits like in 2021.

In my mock offseason, I have them signing Brunskill, & Street to 1yr $1.265M deals, & Al-Shaair to a 3yr deal worth $3.5M a yr, with a $1,298,333 cap number, I have it as the minimum base($965K), and a $1M signing bonus, no Per game RBs or Workout bonuses, this is what they did with Moseley for year 1, but in years 2 & 3, I have him with $250K per game RB, & $100K workout bonus.

So, if this were to happen, they'd end up being $11,553,394 over the cap, so that's why I chose to redo Armstead, as he has a void year already in 2025, so just add on 1 more, you save the max of $10.424M, and I went with Trent, as he has 5yrs left, $4.904M saved, total of $15.382M, which leaves them with $3,774,606, before trading Jimmy, which saves the team $25.55M, but he'd be replaced by someone on the team making at least $705K, so $24.845M savings, so they could start FA with $28,619,606 in cap room, this is depended on them having a deal agreed to with another team for Jimmy.

As for my offseason plan, I have them $20,165,901 under after the restructures, & re-signing Laken, DJ, Willis, Key, Wilson, & K'Waun to multi-year deals(likely won't happen, but this is what I'd do if I was the 49ers), those 6 add up to $12,803,705, but they'd be replace 6 players on the top 51, which would be 2 guys making $825K(Jennings & Robinson or Austin Mack or Alex Barrett, doesn't matter, as they all will have a $825K cap hit), & 4 players making $705K(Alfredo Gutierrez, Josh Hokit, Chris Slayton, & Connor Wedington), that's a total of $4.47M, so those 6 players re-signed would actually count in the offseason $8,333,705.

I also have them re-signing RB Trenton Cannon, C Jake Brendel, WR Trent Sherfield, RT Tom Compton, & SS Jaquiski Tartt to 1yr deals, they add up to $5.005M, but after top 51 it should be just $880K as they'd replace 5 players making $825K.

They'd now be at $19,285,901 under the 2022 cap, next I have their extensions with Bosa, Deebo, & Dre, which takes up $1,694,775 for Bosa, $29K for Deebo, & we'd save $1.375M the Greenlaw extension, so just $348,775 used up in cap room, putting them at $18,937,126 under the cap, this would include the $1,204,059 in dead money if no deal with Laken is reached by Friday when his deal voids, but I have them re-signing him before then, so it would be $20,141,185 in cap room.

This includes 61 players signed.

QB(1): Trey Lance
RB(5): Elijah Mitchell, Trey Sermon, Jeff Wilson Jr., JaMycal Hasty, Trenton Cannon
FB(2): Kyle Juszczyk, Josh Hokit
WR(7): Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk, Jauan Jennings, Trent Sherfield, Connor Wedington, Austin Mack, KeeSean Johnson
TE(4): George Kittle, Charlie Woerner, Jordan Matthews, Tanner Hudson
C(2): Alex Mack, Jake Brendel
OG(4): Laken Tomlinson, Aaron Banks, Daniel Brunskill, Colton McKivitz
OT(6): Trent Williams, Mike McGlinchey, Tom Compton, Jaylon Moore, Justin Skule, Alfredo Gutierrez
DE(7): Nick Bosa, Samson Ebukam, Arden Key, Charles Omenihu, Jordan Willis, Dee Ford, Alex Barrett
IDL(6): Arik Armstead, Javon Kinlaw, Kentavius Street, Kevin Givens, D.J. Jones, Chris Slayton
LB(5): Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Azeez Al-Shaair, Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles, Curtis Robinson
CB(5): Emmanuel Moseley, Ambry Thomas, K'Waun Williams, Deommodore Lenoir, Ka'dar Hollman
S(4): Jimmie Ward, Tarvarius Moore, Jaquiski Tartt, Talanoa Hufanga
ST(3): Robbie Gould, Mitch Wishnowsky, Taybor Pepper

I didn't mock any outside FAs to the team, not that I don't see any signed, just so hard to mock who might be signed.

So, they'd have between $18M-$20M to sign FAs, & draft picks.

So they should have cap room to sign some outside FAs, just depends on the price tag, also no guarantee those 6 players I have signed to multi-year deals(UFAs), & 5 UFAs back on 1yr deals will happen, again, this is what I'd do, not what I think the 49ers will do.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Why does the cap space as of 2/14 in the header reflect $8.6+ mil?

That's what they'd be over the cap by with 51 players signed, but they'll be under the cap by the 16th of March, then trading Jimmy will net them $24.845M to $24.725M depending on what player replaces him on the top 51, the number also includes(the money we'd be over the cap) with the 43 players signed, current dead money, & 8 players making $705K, but that won't be how it is, as they have 5 ERFAs, Hasty, Jennings, McKivitz, Givens, & DFF, they'll all get tendered, all but Jennings will get the $895K tender, Jauan will get $825K.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
1st off, AB you're the man.

2nd, I think I read it right that after restructures to AA and Trent, resigning our guys, extending Bosa, Deebo, and Dre, we'd be about $20M under. And then factor another $8M or so for draft picks puts us at $12M under, with other maneuvers we can do if needed.

So that's the number we head to in FA? $12M, and obviously back load contracts when available?

This all depends on what their adjustment number comes in at, last year they had over $11M, that was extra cap room to use, as of now I have them at just $618K, so they'd be $8,960,061 over, that assumes the 8 players that will fill in the 51 players(they have 43 signed) are making $705K, but that won't happen, as we have 5 ERFAs, & 3 RFAs.

The 5 ERFAs are RB JaMycal Hasty, WR Jauan Jennings, OL Colton McKivitz, DT Kevin Givens, & SLB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles, those would add up to $4.405M, as Jennings gets the $825K tender, the other 4 the $895K tender, so that would give them 48 players, and be $9,840,061 over the cap.

Now the 3 RFAs are RG Daniel Brunskill, DT Kentavius Street, & SLB Azeez Al-Shaair, I doubt they tender Brunskill, as if they tender him at the lowest($2.443M) we'd get no pick back if he signed elsewhere, which I doubt anyone would sign him for that, and I don't think Street is worth the lowest tender for him($2.54M), as he was a 4th rd pick, which we could get if he signs elsewhere, but we should be able to get both to sign to 1yr deals, in the $1.265M-$1.3M area.

As for Al-Shaair, this depends on if they can get a multi-year deal done with him, with a low 2022 cap number, like $1.3M-$1.5M, $3.5M a yr I think is fair on a multi-year deal, Moseley signed a 2yr deal instead of being tendered, if they tendered Al-Shaair, I believe it'd be the 2nd-round tender($3.986M) because he was a UDFA, we get nothing, & someone will sign him IMO, but not at the 2nd rd tender.

So it's hard to say exactly what they'll be over before they must be cap compliant before 4PM EST/1PM PST on March 16th, plus the fact that they'll be able to negotiate with free agents who have agents on the 14th & 15th, up to the opening of the new league year, which is the 16th at 4pm est/1pm pst as I said above, they have to have Jimmy on the books when the league year opens, so they're either gonna need to redo some deals, or hope they get enough adjustments/credits like in 2021.

In my mock offseason, I have them signing Brunskill, & Street to 1yr $1.265M deals, & Al-Shaair to a 3yr deal worth $3.5M a yr, with a $1,298,333 cap number, I have it as the minimum base($965K), and a $1M signing bonus, no Per game RBs or Workout bonuses, this is what they did with Moseley for year 1, but in years 2 & 3, I have him with $250K per game RB, & $100K workout bonus.

So, if this were to happen, they'd end up being $11,553,394 over the cap, so that's why I chose to redo Armstead, as he has a void year already in 2025, so just add on 1 more, you save the max of $10.424M, and I went with Trent, as he has 5yrs left, $4.904M saved, total of $15.382M, which leaves them with $3,774,606, before trading Jimmy, which saves the team $25.55M, but he'd be replaced by someone on the team making at least $705K, so $24.845M savings, so they could start FA with $28,619,606 in cap room, this is depended on them having a deal agreed to with another team for Jimmy.

As for my offseason plan, I have them $20,165,901 under after the restructures, & re-signing Laken, DJ, Willis, Key, Wilson, & K'Waun to multi-year deals(likely won't happen, but this is what I'd do if I was the 49ers), those 6 add up to $12,803,705, but they'd be replace 6 players on the top 51, which would be 2 guys making $825K(Jennings & Robinson or Austin Mack or Alex Barrett, doesn't matter, as they all will have a $825K cap hit), & 4 players making $705K(Alfredo Gutierrez, Josh Hokit, Chris Slayton, & Connor Wedington), that's a total of $4.47M, so those 6 players re-signed would actually count in the offseason $8,333,705.

I also have them re-signing RB Trenton Cannon, C Jake Brendel, WR Trent Sherfield, RT Tom Compton, & SS Jaquiski Tartt to 1yr deals, they add up to $5.005M, but after top 51 it should be just $880K as they'd replace 5 players making $825K.

They'd now be at $19,285,901 under the 2022 cap, next I have their extensions with Bosa, Deebo, & Dre, which takes up $1,694,775 for Bosa, $29K for Deebo, & we'd save $1.375M the Greenlaw extension, so just $348,775 used up in cap room, putting them at $18,937,126 under the cap, this would include the $1,204,059 in dead money if no deal with Laken is reached by Friday when his deal voids, but I have them re-signing him before then, so it would be $20,141,185 in cap room.

This includes 61 players signed.

QB(1): Trey Lance
RB(5): Elijah Mitchell, Trey Sermon, Jeff Wilson Jr., JaMycal Hasty, Trenton Cannon
FB(2): Kyle Juszczyk, Josh Hokit
WR(7): Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk, Jauan Jennings, Trent Sherfield, Connor Wedington, Austin Mack, KeeSean Johnson
TE(4): George Kittle, Charlie Woerner, Jordan Matthews, Tanner Hudson
C(2): Alex Mack, Jake Brendel
OG(4): Laken Tomlinson, Aaron Banks, Daniel Brunskill, Colton McKivitz
OT(6): Trent Williams, Mike McGlinchey, Tom Compton, Jaylon Moore, Justin Skule, Alfredo Gutierrez
DE(7): Nick Bosa, Samson Ebukam, Arden Key, Charles Omenihu, Jordan Willis, Dee Ford, Alex Barrett
IDL(6): Arik Armstead, Javon Kinlaw, Kentavius Street, Kevin Givens, D.J. Jones, Chris Slayton
LB(5): Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Azeez Al-Shaair, Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles, Curtis Robinson
CB(5): Emmanuel Moseley, Ambry Thomas, K'Waun Williams, Deommodore Lenoir, Ka'dar Hollman
S(4): Jimmie Ward, Tarvarius Moore, Jaquiski Tartt, Talanoa Hufanga
ST(3): Robbie Gould, Mitch Wishnowsky, Taybor Pepper

I didn't mock any outside FAs to the team, not that I don't see any signed, just so hard to mock who might be signed.

So, they'd have between $18M-$20M to sign FAs, & draft picks.

So they should have cap room to sign some outside FAs, just depends on the price tag, also no guarantee those 6 players I have signed to multi-year deals(UFAs), & 5 UFAs back on 1yr deals will happen, again, this is what I'd do, not what I think the 49ers will do.

Boom, you keep killing it with the nitty-gritty, but for us laymen, the $18-20M number is at least a good bogey we can use as we look out a the FA landscape.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Why does the cap space as of 2/14 in the header reflect $8.6+ mil?

That's what they'd be over the cap by with 51 players signed, but they'll be under the cap by the 16th of March, then trading Jimmy will net them $24.845M to $24.725M depending on what player replaces him on the top 51, the number also includes(the money we'd be over the cap) with the 43 players signed, current dead money, & 8 players making $705K, but that won't be how it is, as they have 5 ERFAs, Hasty, Jennings, McKivitz, Givens, & DFF, they'll all get tendered, all but Jennings will get the $895K tender, Jauan will get $825K.

AB, you think they will release Ford after June 1st to save $5M and possibly find a trade partner for McGlinchey to get his $10M off the books? The think the Ford release is likely but McGlinchey may be hard to get rid. Im thinking like a late round swap would do the trick or even a 2023 7th rounder. Potentially we could have $35M to sign outside FAs.