QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
True , no reports of ulnar nerve damage, but with an UCL tear, you have to consider that the ulnar nerve was subjected to the same grossly unnatural force that tore the UCL. No idea if ulnar nerve was torn but GTD it was severely stressed. The fact he was able to throw a tiny bit means the ulnar nerve, even tho traumatized, is still working, and that is a positive sign. The UCL tear, tho, has to be fixed, but the internal artificial ligament procedure, would mean a lot less time off than TJ repair. Remember the snapping of the wrist/ elbow is inherent in pitching but not in throwing a football. The artificial ligament gives him protection at the elbow and isn't subjected to the similar forces a pitcher's elbow requires.

Only question is , no matter which surgery is done, how does Brock's elbow function post op? The old dictum, "no surgery makes things better than they were originally" is key here, but the good news is that for TJ surgery , in-game forces are not the same for pitchers vs Brock's situation. Brock has no need to rotate/snap his wrist/ elbow to throw a ball. That is the best thing i can see thru all this.

As for the ulnar nerve, it can always be moved…or transposed, if you will. I had that done over 25 yrs ago and they just move the nerve from where it was in ulnar notch to mid forearm. Makes no difference in function and protects it. So he should be okay nerve wise , even tho ulnar nerve got traumatized also.

An equally big question is how the 9ers handle moving forward. Man , if there ever were a sticky wicket, this is it. Again i stress the absolute necessity of being certain our QB is protected and that means upgrading the R side of the OL if possible. With no 1st of 2nd rd picks, that is going to be tough. Worse, McG is the best FA out there. This has to be one of the toughest problems 49ers have to figure out. But pulling a RT and assuming a TE could handle Riddick was not a great choice. Yes McG got beaten also at least once but the TE blocking Riddick? Ye gads.

Hi Doc, I am hopeful that medical procedures have advanced far enough that the support tapes can actually strengthen that ligament, as the artificial tendon would. You would know best with regards to medical science. As we all know, it's progressing forward, but how fast - nobody really knows but the experts/ you included.

Going forward, I think Kyle - **ASSuming that Purdy comes back 100 💯% ** Kyle can shade the offense towards the pass more than the run and begin to address in a much more comprehensive way the pass protection schemes and breakdowns. In other words, Kyle will still strive to get that 50/50 run pass balance - but I think he'll start drafting/signing OLinemen that are a shade better at pass protection than run blocking. At least that's my hope.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jcs:
Irony is trolls are allowed on the Jimmy thread but don't we dare say anything negative about Trey being the least accomplished of the 1st round QB's in his class.

Trolls are hall monitored like crazy in the Jimmy thread. Yet none of those hall monitors say a word when Trey (or literally any other player or coached) are trolled.

And most people that criticized Jimmy allowed him to play for years before coming to a conclusion on him…the people s**tting on Lance hated him from day 1 with little to go off of..they was no allowance to grow and develop. It had more to do with how people talked about Jimmy after the fact with those people. It was personal to the Jimmy truthers and not just about football.

Injury helped us discover Purdy, injury will help us develop Trey. I think Trey can be a guuuud 'un. Once Brock is 100%, we'll have one hell of a QB bullpen.

This.

IF IF IF Brock will get back to 100% of what he was then this injury helps us.

We need to find out what Trey is for real...ie getting more than three starts as NO ONE can know what he is after three non-consecutive starts and being very raw in the first place. Well I want to know and see with my own eyes over a good chunk of games if Trey can get the job done. I think he can but do not know he can and want to see it. We should still win games even if Trey is not lighting it up since our roster is stacked - and if Trey is not performing well we can go to Brock mid-season and make another run.

Problem is the injury to Brock hurt us in the present as first we might have won the SB and second we needed to see if Brock could get the job done when the stakes are the highest. Now we don't get to see if Brock would have won that game and lost a chance at the SB :(

I'd rather have *NO* injury than what happened to Purdy, but between happening now vs happening later, I am hoping (1) he's young enough to recover 100% and at a faster rate than if this happened at Montana's age when he got hit by Jim Burt/Lendard Marshall (I can't remember). (2) this is a wakeup call to ShanaLynch to really question and investigate why so many of his QB's are getting injured and at the same specific spot. I think Kyle needs to do a 180 and emphasize the pass more than the run. I'm not saying Kyle needs to abandon the run, but more like getting players that are better pass protectors than run blockers. The scheme may have to change to more of a Greatest Show on Turf kind of offense - maybe. Kyle will be the one to make those changes. I'm confident if he makes those changes, his offense will be even more explosive.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Wrathman:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Terrible news for Brock and the 49ers. Was refreshing Twitter all morning and finally gave up around 11ish and told myself I'm not getting worked up about it - he's gonna be ok - a few weeks and he'll be back. This sucks - same feeling I had when Lance went down in week 2.

How can we possibly have such terrible luck with keeping our QBs upright.

Well, don't leave a back up tight end to block Hassan Riddick, maybe?

What could possibly go wrong?

I dunno the removal of Playactoin from the west coast offense?

I think it was supposed to be MM and the TE to block Reddick on that play. For some reason MM shifted over and blocked no one.

Boy, if that is true I wouldn't bank on MM being here much longer.

That's not surprising Tbh. MM Is either getting tossed aside like a ragdoll, or he's blocking the Invisible man.

I hate to blame it all on Mcglinchy when it may be other folks - I just don't know. But it's no secret that McGlinchy has performed below his draft pick status. Meaning, he's a good above average OLineman, but you can get those on Day two and Day three.

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Will he come back with a stronger arm?

He will come back Mahomes!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
True , no reports of ulnar nerve damage, but with an UCL tear, you have to consider that the ulnar nerve was subjected to the same grossly unnatural force that tore the UCL. No idea if ulnar nerve was torn but GTD it was severely stressed. The fact he was able to throw a tiny bit means the ulnar nerve, even tho traumatized, is still working, and that is a positive sign. The UCL tear, tho, has to be fixed, but the internal artificial ligament procedure, would mean a lot less time off than TJ repair. Remember the snapping of the wrist/ elbow is inherent in pitching but not in throwing a football. The artificial ligament gives him protection at the elbow and isn't subjected to the similar forces a pitcher's elbow requires.

Only question is , no matter which surgery is done, how does Brock's elbow function post op? The old dictum, "no surgery makes things better than they were originally" is key here, but the good news is that for TJ surgery , in-game forces are not the same for pitchers vs Brock's situation. Brock has no need to rotate/snap his wrist/ elbow to throw a ball. That is the best thing i can see thru all this.

As for the ulnar nerve, it can always be moved…or transposed, if you will. I had that done over 25 yrs ago and they just move the nerve from where it was in ulnar notch to mid forearm. Makes no difference in function and protects it. So he should be okay nerve wise , even tho ulnar nerve got traumatized also.

An equally big question is how the 9ers handle moving forward. Man , if there ever were a sticky wicket, this is it. Again i stress the absolute necessity of being certain our QB is protected and that means upgrading the R side of the OL if possible. With no 1st of 2nd rd picks, that is going to be tough. Worse, McG is the best FA out there. This has to be one of the toughest problems 49ers have to figure out. But pulling a RT and assuming a TE could handle Riddick was not a great choice. Yes McG got beaten also at least once but the TE blocking Riddick? Ye gads.

Hi Doc, I am hopeful that medical procedures have advanced far enough that the support tapes can actually strengthen that ligament, as the artificial tendon would. You would know best with regards to medical science. As we all know, it's progressing forward, but how fast - nobody really knows but the experts/ you included.

Going forward, I think Kyle - **ASSuming that Purdy comes back 100 💯% ** Kyle can shade the offense towards the pass more than the run and begin to address in a much more comprehensive way the pass protection schemes and breakdowns. In other words, Kyle will still strive to get that 50/50 run pass balance - but I think he'll start drafting/signing OLinemen that are a shade better at pass protection than run blocking. At least that's my hope.

Doc, how long is just a repair good for? Is it just temporary? Is he just better getting the TJ for the better long term?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Wrathman:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Terrible news for Brock and the 49ers. Was refreshing Twitter all morning and finally gave up around 11ish and told myself I'm not getting worked up about it - he's gonna be ok - a few weeks and he'll be back. This sucks - same feeling I had when Lance went down in week 2.

How can we possibly have such terrible luck with keeping our QBs upright.

Well, don't leave a back up tight end to block Hassan Riddick, maybe?

What could possibly go wrong?

I dunno the removal of Playactoin from the west coast offense?

I think it was supposed to be MM and the TE to block Reddick on that play. For some reason MM shifted over and blocked no one.

Boy, if that is true I wouldn't bank on MM being here much longer.

That's not surprising Tbh. MM Is either getting tossed aside like a ragdoll, or he's blocking the Invisible man.

I hate to blame it all on Mcglinchy when it may be other folks - I just don't know. But it's no secret that McGlinchy has performed below his draft pick status. Meaning, he's a good above average OLineman, but you can get those on Day two and Day three.

Just as a frame of reference, of the top 50 OTs in the league, only 7 were drafted in the 4th round or later. This year, our earliest pick is a comp at the end of the 3d round. Do you feel lucky?

Originally posted by Giedi:
I hate to blame it all on Mcglinchy when it may be other folks - I just don't know. But it's no secret that McGlinchy has performed below his draft pick status. Meaning, he's a good above average OLineman, but you can get those on Day two and Day three.

in one of those plays, McG definitely pulled L to block someone else upstream and left Riddick a clean route to Brock. TE Croft got in the way but not enough to do any good. so that was on play call. Man i scratched my head on that one.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
True , no reports of ulnar nerve damage, but with an UCL tear, you have to consider that the ulnar nerve was subjected to the same grossly unnatural force that tore the UCL. No idea if ulnar nerve was torn but GTD it was severely stressed. The fact he was able to throw a tiny bit means the ulnar nerve, even tho traumatized, is still working, and that is a positive sign. The UCL tear, tho, has to be fixed, but the internal artificial ligament procedure, would mean a lot less time off than TJ repair. Remember the snapping of the wrist/ elbow is inherent in pitching but not in throwing a football. The artificial ligament gives him protection at the elbow and isn't subjected to the similar forces a pitcher's elbow requires.

Only question is , no matter which surgery is done, how does Brock's elbow function post op? The old dictum, "no surgery makes things better than they were originally" is key here, but the good news is that for TJ surgery , in-game forces are not the same for pitchers vs Brock's situation. Brock has no need to rotate/snap his wrist/ elbow to throw a ball. That is the best thing i can see thru all this.

As for the ulnar nerve, it can always be moved…or transposed, if you will. I had that done over 25 yrs ago and they just move the nerve from where it was in ulnar notch to mid forearm. Makes no difference in function and protects it. So he should be okay nerve wise , even tho ulnar nerve got traumatized also.

An equally big question is how the 9ers handle moving forward. Man , if there ever were a sticky wicket, this is it. Again i stress the absolute necessity of being certain our QB is protected and that means upgrading the R side of the OL if possible. With no 1st of 2nd rd picks, that is going to be tough. Worse, McG is the best FA out there. This has to be one of the toughest problems 49ers have to figure out. But pulling a RT and assuming a TE could handle Riddick was not a great choice. Yes McG got beaten also at least once but the TE blocking Riddick? Ye gads.

Hi Doc, I am hopeful that medical procedures have advanced far enough that the support tapes can actually strengthen that ligament, as the artificial tendon would. You would know best with regards to medical science. As we all know, it's progressing forward, but how fast - nobody really knows but the experts/ you included.

Going forward, I think Kyle - **ASSuming that Purdy comes back 100 ????% ** Kyle can shade the offense towards the pass more than the run and begin to address in a much more comprehensive way the pass protection schemes and breakdowns. In other words, Kyle will still strive to get that 50/50 run pass balance - but I think he'll start drafting/signing OLinemen that are a shade better at pass protection than run blocking. At least that's my hope.

Doc, how long is just a repair good for? Is it just temporary? Is he just better getting the TJ for the better long term?

Based on my understanding, a repair is not temporary. The goal is 100% recovery, and that is a realistic goal.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Only question is , no matter which surgery is done, how does Brock's elbow function post op? The old dictum, "no surgery makes things better than they were originally" is key here, but the good news is that for TJ surgery , in-game forces are not the same for pitchers vs Brock's situation.

That is the key question, and one we will not know the answer to until BP can actually play again. Hence, it would be foolish to set any plans on the basis of Purdy being able to be Purdy again by the start of the league season. "Plan for the worst and hope for the best" is the dictum that makes the most sense for now.

March 15 is the next critical window. Until then, we are all guessing/hoping. By the start of FA signing, we will know what the surgery actually revealed and have a better idea of his return time. Until then, let the rumors fly.

This just seems like a redux of when Jimmy had his surgery scheduled. we were hamstrung in that nobody wanted to sign a QB not knowing if he could throw following surgery, and boom...here we are once again. it is true about March 15,but still, we are not going to know FOR SURE what we have in Brock's throwing arm. This is just almost too much to lay on the 9ers. Same scenario last yrs FA and Draft....just different guy but same position. WTH?

surgery wiil be over but we will be left wtih same exact situation, post op that we were with JG. Only comment is we have to protect our passer , something NC has been beating on last 8 yrs or so. With no picks until comps in rd 3, and McG being the best RT in FA....good luck with that.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Wrathman:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Terrible news for Brock and the 49ers. Was refreshing Twitter all morning and finally gave up around 11ish and told myself I'm not getting worked up about it - he's gonna be ok - a few weeks and he'll be back. This sucks - same feeling I had when Lance went down in week 2.

How can we possibly have such terrible luck with keeping our QBs upright.

Well, don't leave a back up tight end to block Hassan Riddick, maybe?

What could possibly go wrong?

I dunno the removal of Playactoin from the west coast offense?

I think it was supposed to be MM and the TE to block Reddick on that play. For some reason MM shifted over and blocked no one.

Boy, if that is true I wouldn't bank on MM being here much longer.

That's not surprising Tbh. MM Is either getting tossed aside like a ragdoll, or he's blocking the Invisible man.

I hate to blame it all on Mcglinchy when it may be other folks - I just don't know. But it's no secret that McGlinchy has performed below his draft pick status. Meaning, he's a good above average OLineman, but you can get those on Day two and Day three.

Just as a frame of reference, of the top 50 OTs in the league, only 7 were drafted in the 4th round or later. This year, our earliest pick is a comp at the end of the 3d round. Do you feel lucky?

Umm...we can move up?

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
True , no reports of ulnar nerve damage, but with an UCL tear, you have to consider that the ulnar nerve was subjected to the same grossly unnatural force that tore the UCL. No idea if ulnar nerve was torn but GTD it was severely stressed. The fact he was able to throw a tiny bit means the ulnar nerve, even tho traumatized, is still working, and that is a positive sign. The UCL tear, tho, has to be fixed, but the internal artificial ligament procedure, would mean a lot less time off than TJ repair. Remember the snapping of the wrist/ elbow is inherent in pitching but not in throwing a football. The artificial ligament gives him protection at the elbow and isn't subjected to the similar forces a pitcher's elbow requires.

Only question is , no matter which surgery is done, how does Brock's elbow function post op? The old dictum, "no surgery makes things better than they were originally" is key here, but the good news is that for TJ surgery , in-game forces are not the same for pitchers vs Brock's situation. Brock has no need to rotate/snap his wrist/ elbow to throw a ball. That is the best thing i can see thru all this.

As for the ulnar nerve, it can always be moved…or transposed, if you will. I had that done over 25 yrs ago and they just move the nerve from where it was in ulnar notch to mid forearm. Makes no difference in function and protects it. So he should be okay nerve wise , even tho ulnar nerve got traumatized also.

An equally big question is how the 9ers handle moving forward. Man , if there ever were a sticky wicket, this is it. Again i stress the absolute necessity of being certain our QB is protected and that means upgrading the R side of the OL if possible. With no 1st of 2nd rd picks, that is going to be tough. Worse, McG is the best FA out there. This has to be one of the toughest problems 49ers have to figure out. But pulling a RT and assuming a TE could handle Riddick was not a great choice. Yes McG got beaten also at least once but the TE blocking Riddick? Ye gads.

Hi Doc, I am hopeful that medical procedures have advanced far enough that the support tapes can actually strengthen that ligament, as the artificial tendon would. You would know best with regards to medical science. As we all know, it's progressing forward, but how fast - nobody really knows but the experts/ you included.

Going forward, I think Kyle - **ASSuming that Purdy comes back 100 ????% ** Kyle can shade the offense towards the pass more than the run and begin to address in a much more comprehensive way the pass protection schemes and breakdowns. In other words, Kyle will still strive to get that 50/50 run pass balance - but I think he'll start drafting/signing OLinemen that are a shade better at pass protection than run blocking. At least that's my hope.

Doc, how long is just a repair good for? Is it just temporary? Is he just better getting the TJ for the better long term?

Based on my understanding, a repair is not temporary. The goal is 100% recovery, and that is a realistic goal.

i'm getting out of my comfort zone here, as I am not an orthopod but a dermatopathologist and a dermatologist. But i have had MCL, ACL , PCL, LCL, medial and lateral meniscus, surgeries, plus a "pes anserina" (crow's foot) surgery done 50 yrs ago by Dr Jobe . That was a ligament /muscle surgery in which the gracilis muscle that originates in the hip, goes to the knee and inserts in the ankle/foot is cut/sectioned a few inches below the knee and reflected (turned over on itself) and then sewn into the lateral aspect of the knee, thus giving a lateral ligament to the knee. That worked beautifully for 20 yrs until a total knee replacement was done, the first of six replacements.

Point is, the Kerlan-Jobe clinic guys have been doing these tricky ligament replacements/substitutions/repairs for over 50 yrs now and if there is anyone who can do it they can .But as to how long an artificial ligament lasts, my guess would be forever. An allogenic ligament vs a cadaver ligament vs an artificial ligament, should last indefinitely, but all that is subject to amount of trauma it is going to receive from playing in NFL ,etc. What we aren't talking about is a TJ repair with the lengthy recovery time. How much time, IDK, before Brock is throwing again, all dependent 100% on what is done. If Jobe docs come up with something we haven't even discussed yet, i would not be terribly surprised.

All the questions of when, and how much, and how strong, are 100 % dependent on what exactly is done (and of course, is any other damage noted at surgery). I hope Brock goes with Kerlan Jobe guys because they are all world class at this kind of injury.

Brock Purdy weighing options on his elbow, hopes to make a decision soon - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

"I still have some options to weigh and will make a final decision soon," Purdy said Tuesday, via video from Cam Inman of the San Jose Mercury News.

"I've heard multiple things," Purdy said. "I think in that scenario that would be six months ready to go. I think in that scenario they said after three months, you can start throwing and getting into a throwing program and getting into a routine. I think six months would be like when you're allowed to just go and practice and be part of everything. That's a scenario, but I definitely have some other options, too. So definitely going to go through these MRI scans and make a decision, hopefully soon."

Originally posted by rorrim:
He will come back Mahomes!

Yes even better Can't wait to see him on the field

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Wrathman:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Terrible news for Brock and the 49ers. Was refreshing Twitter all morning and finally gave up around 11ish and told myself I'm not getting worked up about it - he's gonna be ok - a few weeks and he'll be back. This sucks - same feeling I had when Lance went down in week 2.

How can we possibly have such terrible luck with keeping our QBs upright.

Well, don't leave a back up tight end to block Hassan Riddick, maybe?

What could possibly go wrong?

I dunno the removal of Playactoin from the west coast offense?

I think it was supposed to be MM and the TE to block Reddick on that play. For some reason MM shifted over and blocked no one.

Boy, if that is true I wouldn't bank on MM being here much longer.

That's not surprising Tbh. MM Is either getting tossed aside like a ragdoll, or he's blocking the Invisible man.

I hate to blame it all on Mcglinchy when it may be other folks - I just don't know. But it's no secret that McGlinchy has performed below his draft pick status. Meaning, he's a good above average OLineman, but you can get those on Day two and Day three.

Just as a frame of reference, of the top 50 OTs in the league, only 7 were drafted in the 4th round or later. This year, our earliest pick is a comp at the end of the 3d round. Do you feel lucky?

curious where Jordon Mailata ranks ? He was drafted in the 7th round the same year MM and I'm sure most would take him over MM. t
There are players out there just have to find them, We have found great players in the later rounds.

Originally posted by OldMort49:
Brock Purdy weighing options on his elbow, hopes to make a decision soon - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

"I still have some options to weigh and will make a final decision soon," Purdy said Tuesday, via video from Cam Inman of the San Jose Mercury News.

"I've heard multiple things," Purdy said. "I think in that scenario that would be six months ready to go. I think in that scenario they said after three months, you can start throwing and getting into a throwing program and getting into a routine. I think six months would be like when you're allowed to just go and practice and be part of everything. That's a scenario, but I definitely have some other options, too. So definitely going to go through these MRI scans and make a decision, hopefully soon."

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