Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Anyone who tries to argue that he isn't one of the top-tier NFL qbs is just an idiot who doesn't know how to judge qb play. He's the best qb to play for this franchise since Steve Young.
It depends on how many QBs you include in that top tier. That could be 5, 10 or 15. He's not top 5 but he may be edging into the top 10. If you go just by stats then he is. I don't rely much on stats because they can really be affected by the coach, scheme and receivers . QB rating for example is the worst way to evaluate a QB. That's a stat made for fantasy football leagues. You can have a high rating just by completing a high percentage of short throws and avoiding INTs. You can also have alower rating even though you throw for 350 yards and a coiple TDs if you have an INT or two.
When we see rankings for QBs they're usually based on physical things liked arm strength and size. This is why Brock is often not in the top 10. The fact is there's no real way to decide who is and isn't in the top 10 or whatever. It's usually just subjective. All that should matter to Niner fans is Brock's performance on gameday. A QB is best measured by how well he executes the game plan.
If I'm starting a franchise today, Brock is top #3 QB for me.
His advanced and non-advanced stats consistently put him among the top three QBs. His tape shows elite traits that back up the numbers. I've never seen a young QB start his career so well and consistently get put outside the top ten. The Merri go round of love affairs with young QBs put ahead of him (Maye, Nix, Love, Darnold, Daniels, Stroud), including by fans on this board, and Brock continues to play better and more consistent than even Mahomes since entering this league. I'm having none of it any longer. I said it before the season and I'll say it again, Brock is winning the MVP this year.
The thing is if you put any of those other QBs in K**e's system they may well be a lot better than they are now. Kyle''s system is QB friendly. He's shown that over and over with success he's had with JG, Cousins and others. His backups have consistently come in and played well when needed. Darnold commented on how much he learned just practicing with the Niners during his time there. Mac Jones looked much better playing in this system than he ever did anywhere else.
Brock came in about as ready to play as a college QB can be. Four years starting at the same school in a pro style offense. He fit's well in Kyle's type of offense as do some other QBs. Like I said before, I don't care about the stats. I only care about wins and he's done a good job of leading the team so that's all you can ask. Is he a system QB? Maybe but so what. The QBs #1 job is to execute the game plan and that means following the system.
I just don't agree that Brock is a system QB. Unless you mean by system, he could go onto any team and run their system like a top QB.
Screw the stats. Look at the tape then. Brock consistently does things that are elite. His anticipation is arguably the best in the league. His footwork is elite. He has elite pocket awareness and pocket maneuverability. He routinely makes plays when the play breaks down.
Yes, Kyle has a great system. So does Andy Reid. Is Mahomes a system QB who owes his success to the weapons and offense around him? But somehow Brock is?
At first, it was the Jimmy G effect. Jimmy fell off a cliff QB wise and got carried by a great defense and running game to a lot of wins. So when Purdy came onto the scene as a successful rookie, the narrative was that he was just a game manager being carried by Kyle and the system. Then when Purdy put up the stats, it was well he is on a super team. (which looking back is kind of a ridiculous take). Then it is let's see him do it without a great team, and then he just lead the team to a playoff win with half the team injured and It is still not enough. Meanwhile many of the other "Elite" QBs are missing the playoffs entirely or getting bounced from them early every year and everyone acts like it never happened. Purdy statistically has had one of the best starts to a career in history in multiple categories. That is just a fact. If he put up another great statistical winning season it still won't be enough. They will go back to the Purdy is on a Kyle super team. Even though the majority of the media picked the Niners to miss the playoffs. And those that did have us going had us 3rd in the division.
I agree that other QBs are not held to the same standard. Which in Purdy's case seems like an impossible standard. The only other QBs I can think of treated to an unfair standard is Darnold and Hurts. And in Darnold's case he was so bad at the start of his career and with Hurts it is the lack statistical sucess. So there is still a huge difference from Purdy's career. I completely understand if people don't want to put Purdy in the top 5. But everyone having QBs like Herbert, Love, and Caleb ahead of him, is just ridiculous at this point.
