QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by jcs:
Sure it can but the objective is to not have to rely on a whistle to win a game. Seattle certainly didn't, they beat us by 35 points. We lost the SB because our HC/OC got figured out to close both games despite being up double digits twice in the 4th Quarter.

Kyle needs a blowout SB win to get it at this point....he doesn't seem to have the ability to close tight games.

Now be a good sport and point to me when the 49ers were up by double digits in the 4th quarter in that 2023 SB please.

And I can assure you had the refs called the game properly in 2019 we would've held that lead considering it would've prevented them from picking up that 3rd and 17 and it would've kept our drive alive on offense after this

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:
Sure it can but the objective is to not have to rely on a whistle to win a game. Seattle certainly didn't, they beat us by 35 points. We lost the SB because our HC/OC got figured out to close both games despite being up double digits twice in the 4th Quarter.

Kyle needs a blowout SB win to get it at this point....he doesn't seem to have the ability to close tight games.

Now be a good sport and point to me when the 49ers were up by double digits in the 4th quarter in that 2023 SB please.

And I can assure you had the refs called the game properly in 2019 we would've held that lead considering it would've prevented them from picking up that 3rd and 17 and it would've kept our drive alive on offense after this

I'll rephrase. We were up double digits in to start the 2nd half of the 2024 SB and blew 4 different leads in that half.

2019 we did blow a 10 point 4th quarter lead....and it happened quickly as our HC/OC appeared to forget that we had the lead and let them back into the game without killing much of clock. I don't blame refs for losses and wins because at the end of the day, you and your team need to determine your own fate and how to overcome like the 95 team did blowing out SD. Example Macdonald and Seattle didn't wait for the refs to hand it to them they curb stomped us by 35 which could have been much worse if they didn't pull their starters early in the 4th Quarter.

Like I said earlier it's looking like Kyle needs a blowout victory because if a game gets close or if he's needing a come from behind he's just going to choke it away.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Nah f**k that. I stand by what I said. Not sure what receipts he's saving but I must have missed Brock lighting the league on fire the last week of the season and in the playoffs. Dude is a decent QB. He's a starter but like many who aren't complete 49ers homers have said he's not an elite QB. He's far from it. Hope and pray JB becomes available.

Seems like you did miss something...

Considering Purdy did exactly what you claimed he couldn't do in those receipts saying he needs all this help...while he dropped 5 TDs in back to back weeks. One on a defense that without Deforest Buckner held Seattle to 0 TDs and the other game where he started with a pick 6 and his defense gave him almost no help after that until the very end.

Using his performance without his top players against one of the best defenses in the game who had a rest advantage is pretty comical when you have those two games preceding that. Not to mention Purdy was far from the problem against Seattle in each game and did everything he could to get us points.

Also there is a difference in calling a QB elite and saying he's mid. There are maybe 3-4 QBs who are elite in the NFL right now. Purdy isn't one of them but that doesn't mean he's mid or not top 10.

Ohh you mean the game where basically the entire Colts secondary was out? Or the Bears bottom tier D? How did he fair against Seattle? His Phili game he wasn't exactly playing well.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Nah f**k that. I stand by what I said. Not sure what receipts he's saving but I must have missed Brock lighting the league on fire the last week of the season and in the playoffs. Dude is a decent QB. He's a starter but like many who aren't complete 49ers homers have said he's not an elite QB. He's far from it. Hope and pray JB becomes available.

Seems like you did miss something...

Considering Purdy did exactly what you claimed he couldn't do in those receipts saying he needs all this help...while he dropped 5 TDs in back to back weeks. One on a defense that without Deforest Buckner held Seattle to 0 TDs and the other game where he started with a pick 6 and his defense gave him almost no help after that until the very end.

Using his performance without his top players against one of the best defenses in the game who had a rest advantage is pretty comical when you have those two games preceding that. Not to mention Purdy was far from the problem against Seattle in each game and did everything he could to get us points.

Also there is a difference in calling a QB elite and saying he's mid. There are maybe 3-4 QBs who are elite in the NFL right now. Purdy isn't one of them but that doesn't mean he's mid or not top 10.

Ohh you mean the game where basically the entire Colts secondary was out? Or the Bears bottom tier D? How did he fair against Seattle? His Phili game he wasn't exactly playing well.

Did they have that secondary against Seattle when they allowed 0 TDs just a week prior? How many TDs did Stafford score against that Bears bottom tier D? How about Jared Goff with all his weapons the week after we played them?

And yes his Eagles game was closer to great than it was to bad given the competition and who he had available in the game. Most people would rather be wrong when it means the franchise QB of the team you supposedly root for is doing well but here you are fighting tooth and nail trying to act like you weren't wrong.

Originally posted by jcs:
I'll rephrase. We were up double digits in to start the 2nd half of the 2024 SB and blew 4 different leads in that half.

2019 we did blow a 10 point 4th quarter lead....and it happened quickly as our HC/OC appeared to forget that we had the lead and let them back into the game without killing much of clock. I don't blame refs for losses and wins because at the end of the day, you and your team need to determine your own fate and how to overcome like the 95 team did blowing out SD. Example Macdonald and Seattle didn't wait for the refs to hand it to them they curb stomped us by 35 which could have been much worse if they didn't pull their starters early in the 4th Quarter.

Like I said earlier it's looking like Kyle needs a blowout victory because if a game gets close or if he's needing a come from behind he's just going to choke it away.

And that's a ridiculous take. You don't always have the luxury of being a juggernaut team facing a weak opponent in the SB. Chiefs have a HOF HC/DC and at least 3 HOF players including QB and one on defense. Expecting to blow them out is a ridiculous notion when your QB is Jimmy Garoppolo.

We went into that game on the strength of our pass rush. That's how the team was built and that's how we had all that success that season. We went into the SB playing one of the top passing offenses in the league with a down the field passing attack to frighten even the best defenses.

If the refs turn a blind eye to offensive holding out of the gate who does that hurt more? The team build off their passing offense or the team built off their pass rush?

As for the 2023 SB, sorry but to me you can't claim you had a double digit lead when your offense isn't on the field with that lead. The game was 10-0 and then KC made it 10-3 on their next possession. My goodness...what an insurmountable lead we had going into halftime 10-3 with KC getting the ball to start the 2nd half.

I'm not going to get into the details of us losing that game since this has all been covered before(it's why I don't bring up the refs in this game cuz we had way too many opportunities to close it out) but your post before is just another reminder how people make outlandish claims and then if unchecked people run with it.

We had a double digit lead in 2019 and the refs played a critical factor in us being unable to hold that lead. It's ok to call it out. When playing a tough opponent and your best asset as a team is taken from you it's tough to overcome especially if you don't have the greatest QB.

Just a thought on the refs. I think they usually do a decent job consideringhg the speed of the game and the fact that they can't always see everything. They are often blocked from view where as we get to see it from an overhead view.

I think the bigger problem is the way some rules are written. Some are too vague and leave too much open to interpretation. The PI rule need sto be revisited. I read the rule and they allow that constant hand fighting ONLY if it was initiated by the offense. Then the defensive player can respond and the battle is on. So now it's up to the ref to be able to see if it was started by the offense or was it PI. Here's my solution. Go back to when contact wasn't allowed past 5 yards. After that any type of grabbing, pushing or otherwise interfering with a catch is PI.

The other rule I hat his the catch rule. Does he complete the catch or not. Does he possess it all the way even after he hits the ground. Does the ball move a little. Way to much technical stuff that can often only be seen in slow motion closeups. Even then we have controversy like we saw in the Bills game. The game isn't bette rbecause they can disect every play. Before they started this constant review the games moved faster and the good and bad calls usually evened out. It was part of the game. I hate the fact that a ball carrier can fumble the ball as he crosses the goal line and it's still a TD but if the ball wiggles a little when a receiver hits the ground it isn't a catch.

Just a couple of rules I wish were cleaned up.

The 2019 and 2023 SBs were reffed very different than the 2020 SB. First two games no holding calls but in 2020 I believe there were at least 4 if not more. That makes a huge difference in how the games turn out.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Just a thought on the refs. I think they usually do a decent job consideringhg the speed of the game and the fact that they can't always see everything. They are often blocked from view where as we get to see it from an overhead view.

I think the bigger problem is the way some rules are written. Some are too vague and leave too much open to interpretation. The PI rule need sto be revisited. I read the rule and they allow that constant hand fighting ONLY if it was initiated by the offense. Then the defensive player can respond and the battle is on. So now it's up to the ref to be able to see if it was started by the offense or was it PI. Here's my solution. Go back to when contact wasn't allowed past 5 yards. After that any type of grabbing, pushing or otherwise interfering with a catch is PI.

The other rule I hat his the catch rule. Does he complete the catch or not. Does he possess it all the way even after he hits the ground. Does the ball move a little. Way to much technical stuff that can often only be seen in slow motion closeups. Even then we have controversy like we saw in the Bills game. The game isn't bette rbecause they can disect every play. Before they started this constant review the games moved faster and the good and bad calls usually evened out. It was part of the game. I hate the fact that a ball carrier can fumble the ball as he crosses the goal line and it's still a TD but if the ball wiggles a little when a receiver hits the ground it isn't a catch.

Just a couple of rules I wish were cleaned up.

Can't see everything I agree. But I'm sorry there are several shots of refs staring right at the Chiefs holding in that SB and no flag thrown.

On top of it, even though it put us in a total disadvantage from the start, if you're going to let teams play so to speak...then why were the only two post snap penalties called on the 49ers that day? Both easily could've been let go. Kittle OPI that put us in FG range before the half and Travarious Moore DPI on Kelce. Moore one was closer to being a penalty but once again...if you're going to let guys play then keep the same energy for both teams.

Call it a crazy coincidence or what not but the reality is KC is 3-0 in SBs where they're not flagged for offensive holding even once. They're 0-2 when they get flagged for offensive holding. And while I don't blame officiating for our 2023 loss, I do find it ironic that they were the most penalized team in the regular season for offensive holding and I think 0 calls the whole playoff run(could be wrong there but definitely none against us)

Kinda over how the refs robbed us from the SB talk..we need to just make enough good plays to win it.

It's crazy that Sam might win a ring before Brock. Seattle D has really carried Sam when he hasn't been great. But good for him getting on a team that can win it. The injuries screwed us again.