QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
I hope my theory is wrong. I also hope we see a deal signing announcement next week. no need to push this up against the limit to argue over 5-10$mil a year.

>>no need to push this up against the limit to argue over 5-10$mil a year.

I'm glad that you are not working in the 49ers front office then. I hope we can sign Purdy to a reasonable contract, but I don't understand so many fans that just say "Pay Him".

As 49er fans, shouldn't we all want to have him signed for the lower range of QB's so that the team has more $ to spend on other players? Having an extra $10 Mil per year that we don't have to pay to our QB means that we have $10 Mil available each year to spend on other positions. I'm not understanding how that is a bad thing.

Unless you are Purdy's immediate family..... why do so many fans want to sign him to the higher end of the QB range? Maybe I'm missing something, not sure.

Franchise tier quarterbacks are simply expensive. I would rather see them pay him 61M on an extension AAV than keep waiting for other franchise tier quarterbacks to push the price higher. A 61M extension AAV would still be less total cash/AAV than what Dak and Allen are signed for if extending on his final year of his rookie contract. I'm expecting a pretty standard extension for Purdy. Minimum salaries, large signing bonus, multiple option bonuses. The cap hits from such an extension will be small through the next 3-4 years. In 2029, when the hits are large, the salary cap will see a bump from the next media deal. 2030/2031 will see another bump on the salary cap from the next CBA negotiation. And the cap continues to grow at like 7.3% without those bumps.

Hurts was the top franchise QB contract when he extended in 2023. Since then, he's been passed in the following

• #1 Extension AAV (51M) - Lamar (52M), Herbert (52.5M), Burrow (55M), Goff (53M), The Prince (55M), Love (55M), Tua (53.1M), Dak (60M), Allen (100.2M).
• #3 New Cash (255M) - Lamar (260M), Herbert (262.5M), Burrow (275M), The Prince (275M).
• #2 Total AAV (43.2M) - Lamar (52M), Burrow (44.3M), Mahomes (46.3M), Goff (47.1M), The Prince (43.8M), Love (46.2M), Tua (47.1M), Dak (53.8M), Allen (55M).
• #5 Total Cash (259.3M) - Lamar (260M), Herbert (296.2M), Burrow (310M), Mahomes (417M), The Prince (306.3M), Dak (269M), Allen (330M).
• #3 Full Gtd At Signing (110M) - Lamar (135M), Herbert (133.7M), Burrow (146.5M), Mahomes (133.7M), Goff (113.6M), The Prince (142M), Dak (129M), Allen (147.5M).
• #3 Practical Gtd (179.3M) - Lamar (185M), Herbert (218.7M), Burrow (219M), Mahomes (417M), The Prince (201M), Dak (231M), Allen (250M).

Quarterbacks due for new contracts coming up - Lamar (already being discussed), Stroud (2026 eligible), Mahomes (yearly cash drops in 2028), Mayfield (is he the bucs future?), Stafford (expires 2026), Daniels (2027 eligible), Hurts (expires 2028), Dak (expires 2028), Goff (expires 2028), Tua (expires 2028), Love (expires 2028). How many of these guys are going to pass Dak? Who will join Allen in breaking the 75M extension AAV threshold?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
Unless you are Purdy's immediate family..... why do so many fans want to sign him to the higher end of the QB range? Maybe I'm missing something, not sure.

yea... many of these guys really give off "WWE Fan" vibes while the rest of us are actually concerned with the football team.

You don't need to gatekeep how fans act.

I'm pretty sure everyone here would love Purdy playing on vet minimum cap wise but anyone who disagrees with you that Purdy isn't worth comparable deals to guys who aren't proven elite QBs aren't WWE fans. Not even sure what that means honestly but I know it's not for you to label others.

How about some fans understand that they don't have to actually pay these players personally and prefer these key deals are done sooner rather than later by the team? Or is that not an option?

The real risk as it relates to competition are the cap hits as they relate directly to a team's chances of signing other players. Someone "breaking" an AAV tied to a bunch of money they'll likely never see is no big deal. GTD money tied to cap hits would be a much more useful list if you're interested in seeing something get broken.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
Unless you are Purdy's immediate family..... why do so many fans want to sign him to the higher end of the QB range? Maybe I'm missing something, not sure.

yea... many of these guys really give off "WWE Fan" vibes while the rest of us are actually concerned with the football team.

You don't need to gatekeep how fans act.

I'm pretty sure everyone here would love Purdy playing on vet minimum cap wise but anyone who disagrees with you that Purdy isn't worth comparable deals to guys who aren't proven elite QBs aren't WWE fans. Not even sure what that means honestly but I know it's not for you to label others.

How about some fans understand that they don't have to actually pay these players personally and prefer these key deals are done sooner rather than later by the team? Or is that not an option?

I get WWE fan-type vibes if you're all in on Purdy getting as much as possible to the detriment of the 49ers ability to do what I just stated above. That's the vibe I pick up. Not for me at all, so that is true. When it comes to football I'm more of a team-1st fan.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
Unless you are Purdy's immediate family..... why do so many fans want to sign him to the higher end of the QB range? Maybe I'm missing something, not sure.

yea... many of these guys really give off "WWE Fan" vibes while the rest of us are actually concerned with the football team.

You don't need to gatekeep how fans act.

I'm pretty sure everyone here would love Purdy playing on vet minimum cap wise but anyone who disagrees with you that Purdy isn't worth comparable deals to guys who aren't proven elite QBs aren't WWE fans. Not even sure what that means honestly but I know it's not for you to label others.

How about some fans understand that they don't have to actually pay these players personally and prefer these key deals are done sooner rather than later by the team? Or is that not an option?

I get WWE fan-type vibes if you're all in on Purdy getting as much as possible to the detriment of the 49ers ability to do what I just stated above. That's the vibe I pick up. Not for me at all, so that is true. When it comes to football I'm more of a team-1st fan.

You know very well people just want to see these deals done. Some fans simply don't care about the numbers so you get people saying "just get it done"

Only difference is you don't believe in Purdy enough where you think it's smart to give him Love/Lawrence like contracts and other fans do.

You know I've specifically avoided talking numbers because I simply don't care until the details come out but I certainly don't want Brock trying to get "all he's worth" and I'm confident given his comments in the past that he will not try to screw over the team from being able to add talent around him.

I do think some fans simply don't want to admit the QB contracts are out of hand but no team will take a hard stand when other teams refuse to do the same. The deal will get done. We just gotta wait and then we can argue about the details.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
They've said they want to get the deal done before OTAs. That is a deadline.

1) You said deadline and you're now switching to something else that I trimmed off.

2) It's not a deadline at all. It's a goal or a target date. It's simply something they like, as those workouts are not mandatory.

If you have any quotes I missed where they said they "need to" have a deal done by _____,....please post it. I'll leave open the chance that I missed something, but chances are it's more of the same exaggeration we're getting day in, day out here.

The dates to worry about (for Brock) are mandatory minicamp days,...as missing them are fineable offenses.... and mandatory training camp reporting (for accrual while still on a rookie contract),...though with how many here have been worrying nonstop since the season ended, I know that the anxiety will stay strong throughout the entire process.

1) I said deadline. You assumed I was talking about a hard deadline when I wasn't. I was talking about the deadline the team would like to get a deal done by. My point to the other commenter was there is no point in worrying about a deal not being done at this point and that worry shouldn't really begin until the day the people involved in the organization want a deal done by.

2) "Target Date" is the same thing as a deadline... "Deadline (noun): a date or time before which something must be done." A soft deadline is a flexible, non-binding target date for completing a task. Again, you are definitely proving the zone needs a vocab captcha test for posting comments...

What I find hilarious about your desperate attempt to get a gotcha on me, is that mandatory minicamp is TWO WEEKS after the start of OTAs... OOOOH! Mandatory Fines!!!! Say the 49ers and Purdy get to your deadline of mandatory minicamp with no extension. Can they still get a deal done after that date? Of course. Your suggestion that mandatory minicamp is also a deadline, specifically a soft deadline.

Also, lol @ bringing up "accrual while still on a rookie contract"... you really are salty about that still.

Originally posted by Typecast:
2) "Target Date" is the same thing as a deadline...

Lol. You're kidding, right? Okay man,...you win. Next subject.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
Unless you are Purdy's immediate family..... why do so many fans want to sign him to the higher end of the QB range? Maybe I'm missing something, not sure.

yea... many of these guys really give off "WWE Fan" vibes while the rest of us are actually concerned with the football team.

You don't need to gatekeep how fans act.

I'm pretty sure everyone here would love Purdy playing on vet minimum cap wise but anyone who disagrees with you that Purdy isn't worth comparable deals to guys who aren't proven elite QBs aren't WWE fans. Not even sure what that means honestly but I know it's not for you to label others.

How about some fans understand that they don't have to actually pay these players personally and prefer these key deals are done sooner rather than later by the team? Or is that not an option?

I get WWE fan-type vibes if you're all in on Purdy getting as much as possible to the detriment of the 49ers ability to do what I just stated above. That's the vibe I pick up. Not for me at all, so that is true. When it comes to football I'm more of a team-1st fan.

I do think some fans simply don't want to admit the QB contracts are out of hand but no team will take a hard stand when other teams refuse to do the same. The deal will get done. We just gotta wait and then we can argue about the details.

I think quarterback contracts have been out of hand for more than a decade, yet teams simply pay franchise quarterbacks the amounts they get because there are so few quarterbacks good enough to give the team a shot at winning a Super Bowl. The rookie wage scale is a driving factor in more quarterbacks resetting the market. Everyone with ties to the 49ers that have publicly spoken about him clearly state he's the franchise quarterback. The 49ers had their time with him on the discount. Now it's time to pay him. Even on a top-end extension, they'll have a few years to ease into the bigger cap hits. The rare occasions teams try to break the system and lowball their franchise guys did not work for the franchise, leading to the QB walking (see Washington-Cousins).

Originally posted by Typecast:
I think quarterback contracts have been out of hand for more than a decade, yet teams simply pay franchise quarterbacks the amounts they get because there are so few quarterbacks good enough to give the team a shot at winning a Super Bowl. The rookie wage scale is a driving factor in more quarterbacks resetting the market. Everyone with ties to the 49ers that have publicly spoken about him clearly state he's the franchise quarterback. The 49ers had their time with him on the discount. Now it's time to pay him. Even on a top-end extension, they'll have a few years to ease into the bigger cap hits. The rare occasions teams try to break the system and lowball their franchise guys did not work for the franchise, leading to the QB walking (see Washington-Cousins).

I don't know about this conclusion generally. Washington had two losing seasons before he left and had similar levels of success without him in 4 out of 6 years afterwards.

He was also replaced in Minnesota with a budget FA signing who had similar levels of production and the team had similar success.

Did Washington get worse at the position in the short term? Of course. Did it make any difference at all… hard to say definitively but it doesn't seem like it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I don't know about this conclusion generally. Washington had two losing seasons before he left and had similar levels of success without him in 4 out of 6 years afterwards.

He was also replaced in Minnesota with a budget FA signing who had similar levels of production and the team had similar success.

Did Washington get worse at the position in the short term? Of course. Did it make any difference at all… hard to say definitively but it doesn't seem like it.

I would figure the Washington coaches who got fired before Jayden Daniels came in would see this as a bigger difference than you do.

That gets lost by fans a lot. We have no skin in the game outside of our time but 49ers don't pay our bills. If they have a bad season we get to talk draft and rebuild, etc.

For the front office and coaches they can't turn away a proven QB to make a point other teams refuse to make. They want to win. They don't want to start over, especially when there aren't clearly better options readily available.

Cousins played under the franchise tag for 2 seasons w/Washington.

I think the staff and pretty much everyone else will be fully comfortable with whatever direction they choose to go in after Purdy does his 2 here.

Originally posted by genus49:
I would figure the Washington coaches who got fired before Jayden Daniels came in would see this as a bigger difference than you do.

That gets lost by fans a lot. We have no skin in the game outside of our time but 49ers don't pay our bills. If they have a bad season we get to talk draft and rebuild, etc.

For the front office and coaches they can't turn away a proven QB to make a point other teams refuse to make. They want to win. They don't want to start over, especially when there aren't clearly better options readily available.

I think you're missing the broader point. Does Kirk Cousins make a real difference for a team that has a decent at best roster and Ron Rivera as coach? I think the answer is no.

I understand it would have been beneficial to the coaching staff to have a better QB, in terms of job security. What does that actually mean though? Couldn't it be argued that you're kicking the can down the road at improving meaningfully at two of the most important positions on the team: HC and QB?

I would have been happy to move on from both and the fact that they did allowed them the opportunity to improve in both spots… which they seemingly certainly did at QB at least. It took some time.*

Now it turns that Purdy is "franchise-tier" QB.



I hope this FO is smarter than that

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Typecast:
I think quarterback contracts have been out of hand for more than a decade, yet teams simply pay franchise quarterbacks the amounts they get because there are so few quarterbacks good enough to give the team a shot at winning a Super Bowl. The rookie wage scale is a driving factor in more quarterbacks resetting the market. Everyone with ties to the 49ers that have publicly spoken about him clearly state he's the franchise quarterback. The 49ers had their time with him on the discount. Now it's time to pay him. Even on a top-end extension, they'll have a few years to ease into the bigger cap hits. The rare occasions teams try to break the system and lowball their franchise guys did not work for the franchise, leading to the QB walking (see Washington-Cousins).

I don't know about this conclusion generally. Washington had two losing seasons before he left and had similar levels of success without him in 4 out of 6 years afterwards.

He was also replaced in Minnesota with a budget FA signing who had similar levels of production and the team had similar success.

Did Washington get worse at the position in the short term? Of course. Did it make any difference at all… hard to say definitively but it doesn't seem like it.

Washington felt he was the franchise quarterback despite the record, they just didn't want to pay him the franchise qb price. Two franchise tags later and he was gone. Washington didn't find someone decent until Daniels this past year.

When Cousins signed his contract with Minnesota in 2018, he was #1 in extension AAV (28M), #1 in total AAV (28M), and #1 in guaranteed at signing (96M, 100%). He actually had a better offer from the Jets (90M/3, fully guaranteed). Cousins got an extension in 2020 that put him back to #1 on total AAV (32M) before he was replaced at age 35.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Now it turns that Purdy is "franchise-tier" QB.



I hope this FO is smarter than that

What is your definition of "franchise-tier"?