QB Brock Purdy Thread

49ers have all the leverage. Brock is sort of stuck with us and everyone out there not in denial pretty much knows that he regressed last year and that he still has to prove he belongs in the NFL as a starting QB.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

lol there isn't even proof that your fantasy is playing out. They take forever with every player. I'm just saying what you want isn't a good idea and they will burn themselves with his contract and reputation going that route

Huh? What do I want? lol.

I want THEM to find that "number," take their time if need be, and make sure they don't overpay from a salary cap standpoint.

They are around the guy day in, day out. I think they're in a much better standpoint to make that call than I am.

As far as the franchise tag,...I've seen nothing but good, proven players [at that stage of their careers] on that list:

1) Steve Young
2) Drew Brees
3) Kirk Cousins
4) Dak Prescott
5) Lamar Jackson

Hell....it'd be an honor if we choose to tag the guy, from his vantage point.

From ours it'll be phenomenal, because it'll means he had a phenomenal year on the field and we've likely found our guy. A WIN-WIN scenario.

The middle ground is obvious, however: a cap-friendly deal that benefits him more NOW in 2025 than the $5M he's slotted for,...and helps us more later with reduced amounts on those cap hits, mixed in with an out clause or 2.

The difference is he's been a mvp candidate and been to a sb (had to carry them there and played more than well enough for a supposed super team to win), he's made a pro bowl (actually made it, not alternate) all while being paid less than guys that will never do anything like Trey Lance and even Carson Beck

He's probably the most underpaid player of all time for the production. At least have the respect to trade him instead of risking his career every year after making nothing and saving your job in the process

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Purdy is 4-1 in the playoffs and had a season that got him MVP votes before age 25. You have to take the gamble with someone at the QB position if you want to win a SB. Relying on drafting a phenom who is going to be ready to win a SB on his rookie contract is a terrible strategy.

Paying $50+ mil a year for your QB is reality now. Some fans just cant cope with that.

I'm a purdy fan but….

imagine paying someone 50+ million who can't play in the rain or snow? A fast but small player who is one injury away from just being small?

Once again he's 2-0 in the rain in the playoffs.

He played one game in the snow vs a much better team who was coming off a bye week.

This narrative is wildly overblown. The main issue is how our offense operates and that we seem to constantly fall more than the opposing teams in these conditions.

Originally posted by BP13:
The weather narrative is dumb. He won a playoff game in the rain. And the last game in the rain, people seem to forget that Stafford was far worse in that game, and Deebo dropped a sure TD.

But Brock wipes his hands on the towel! Surely, that time in AZ made him inept in the rain! Lol agree, very dumb. Wasn't it raining too that first Seattle game with the broken rib he had?

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Its not about " getting over the fact that QBs get paid"

Allocating a large portion of your salary cap to one player has impacts on the roster. This is already showed its effects. If Purdy cannot play at a high level that aligns with the pay raise, we are in trouble.

Purdy is 4-1 in the playoffs and had a season that got him MVP votes before age 25. You have to take the gamble with someone at the QB position if you want to win a SB. Relying on drafting a phenom who is going to be ready to win a SB on his rookie contract is a terrible strategy.

Paying $50+ mil a year for your QB is reality now. Some fans just cant cope with that.

If we pay him 50-60 million, he can no longer be the guy that depends on players around him anymore. He has to be the one that makes everyone around him better. I am not sure he can do that. The contasting evidence between 2023 and 2024 seems to be the tell for me.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I would give Brock a 10 year deal with an out after 6 years. That way you can keep restructuring his contract every season to keep the cap low. Look at what the Chiefs did with Mahomes,He's into like year 6 of his contract and I don't think his cap hit has ever been high because every year they keep restructuring it. You can't do that with a short-term contract. There is no wiggle room. It's why Dak's cap hit was like 50+ Million last season.

Why would he do that? He's going to want to hit free agency again by 30. He isn't going to let the 49ers have him locked in for a decade when we all know they can get out of those deals whenever. Its all about guaranteed money.

Dak - 231 mil
Burrow - 219 mil
Lawrence - 200 mil
Tua - 167 mil
Love - 160 mil

He's probably going to want around 175 mil guaranteed.

People need to just get over the fact that QB's get PAID. Thats just the market. You can either pay up or rebuild. Purdy is young, he's a fast processor, hes won in the playoffs, and hes a great role model. The only reason people don't want to pay him is because he was a 7th round pick. If he were a 1st round pick everyone would be happy to give him 55+ mil.

Of the players on that list , Burrows is the only player that is worth that type of financial committment. Yes pay them, but not if they are not worth it. None of those QBs on that list will ever be elite and the financial burden will keep those teams from being competetive long term.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
If we pay him 50-60 million, he can no longer be the guy that depends on players around him anymore. He has to be the one that makes everyone around him better. I am not sure he can do that. The contasting evidence between 2023 and 2024 seems to be the tell for me.

This is not true at all.

First of all you literally have a perfect example of a team paying their limited QB at the time "top QB contract" money, signing their top two WRs, singing a bunch of other guys and winning the SB.

Like it JUST happened.

Second just like Jalen's contract the average number that gets thrown around by the media and the agents is fluff for almost anyone who isn't a Mahomes/Allen/Lamar type. The cap hits are never at those levels and certainly not yearly so people really gotta stop throwing that stuff around.

Third the salary cap is going up every year. The expectation is the cap will only balloon once the new TV/streaming deals are starting.

And you're making an absurd leap in judgement thinking 2024 is comparable at all to 2023 and it means Brock has to have all these great players around him.

Brock still had a good season stat wise. He was top 10 in a lot of metrics despite everything that happened.

And what did happen? Virtual team wise regression - maybe 4 players total didn't regress from 2023 and one of them was Colton McKivitz!

29th defense in points allowed. Special teams constantly shooting us in the foot. Injuries to our top playmakers. Poor coaching.

That's a pretty ridiculous bar to set for a kid in his 3rd season. And it's not like things in 2023 were perfect either. I'd say the OL is more conducive to QB success than great skill players. Yet you still had casuals from other teams acting like Brock had a dominant OL cuz that was the stupid narrative how he had it made.

The plays he made with anticipation throws, his legs were plentiful and so many just give the credit to his skill players.

You have our own fans listen to his comments about not seeing guys open 40% of the time and instead of seeing it as a strength considering how many times Brock made huge plays on throws due to anticipation and perfect placement…it's "well he's short and can't see"

Meanwhile the comment was for all QBs REGARDLESS of height. That should be a reminder to some how important the mental part of the game is. Yet here we are…

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
There are two big issues with your post

1- It's not clear yet if Brock had success two years ago because of the talent around him and playing on a stacked team or if he can do it by himself and carry a team.

He's basically been a starter for two years. We have two years of tape and evidence. His first year he set a team record for passing, had 31 TD passes, voted to the Pro Bowl and was a MVP finalist and went to the SB. The second year he was league average and regressed.

What was the common denominator? Year 1 we were stacked at every position and stayed healthy. Year 2 we had injuries to all those same key players.

So, I think it's evident that unless Brock has an All Star cast supporting him we will see more of year two stats with him. Is that someone we want to pay 50 million to?

2- You say the key is drafting and I agree but this regime has shown they are not capable of building through the draft and make questionable decisions. Their miss rate of prospects in rounds 1-3 is astonishing. If we didn't find late round gems like Kittle, Warner, Purdy and Lenoir we would be a bottom 3 team in the league.

Hoping we hit on 5th round picks and finding a starting QB with the last overall pick is not sustainable.

All star cast? Does that apply to the OL as well or are we going to pretend that Trent Williams being an all pro at LT means we have an all pro OL across the board?

You saw Mahomes, the greatest in the game right now, with poor pass pro right? 0-2 in SBs with 4 picks and only 3 garbage time TDs.

Pass pro is pretty important and ignoring how well Brock played with pretty poor pass protection in 2023 and just giving all that love to the skill players as if Brock wasn't an MVP runner up for a reason?

Brock has 40+ starts under his belt. That's plenty to evaluate whether he can play in this game or not.

Let's ignore that Jauan Jennings was playing like a top WR with Brock. Let's forget how Brock answered all the stupid questions people had for him in that 2023 season in the playoffs.

Can he play in the rain - check

Can he win without Deebo - check

Can he win if he has to make a game winning drive - check(in the rain btw, with a key big play to Chris Conley)

Can he lead a comeback down by 10+ - check

It's silly to point to last year with so much stuff going wrong and act like he hasn't proven that he can't play without all the fancy weapons. How about just some consistent ones and a good OL?

That's exactly what Josh Allen had last year and everyone acts like he was a one man roster out there.

Very good OL, excellent running game. Very good defense and special teams. Solid and consistent weapons to throw to.

He had his top guy out one game - it was arguably his worst game of the season. What does that tell us about Josh?

Originally posted by genus49:
Once again he's 2-0 in the rain in the playoffs.

He played one game in the snow vs a much better team who was coming off a bye week.

This narrative is wildly overblown. The main issue is how our offense operates and that we seem to constantly fall more than the opposing teams in these conditions.

The games Purdy did not do well in we just happened to get the ball when it was pouring down. It's all perspective. Very few QB's are going to do well when they're playing in a tsunami

Originally posted by Cg9erSF:

Originally posted by genus49:
Once again he's 2-0 in the rain in the playoffs.

He played one game in the snow vs a much better team who was coming off a bye week.

This narrative is wildly overblown. The main issue is how our offense operates and that we seem to constantly fall more than the opposing teams in these conditions.

The games Purdy did not do well in we just happened to get the ball when it was pouring down. It's all perspective. Very few QB's are going to well when they're playing in a tsunami

Hmmmm. So Brock (not the team, somehow) is "2-0" in chosen weather games,....and Mahomes is "0-2" in chosen SBs. Nevermind the 3 rings.

And everything was the OLs fault,..and whenever it wasnt, it was the receivers' faults,...meanwhile we're listed as having a QB that held the ball for over three seconds on average, ranking as the league's sixth-highest rate. This is not exactly the shining example we're looking for when we say great players tend to raise the level of those around them.

And we really think we're making a solid case for Brock here? He has a much stronger case on his own merits without all of this spinning.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by BP13:
The weather narrative is dumb. He won a playoff game in the rain. And the last game in the rain, people seem to forget that Stafford was far worse in that game, and Deebo dropped a sure TD.

But Brock wipes his hands on the towel! Surely, that time in AZ made him inept in the rain! Lol agree, very dumb. Wasn't it raining too that first Seattle game with the broken rib he had?

that's right, two playoff games won in the rain!. I remember because his quads look even bigger in the rain

Originally posted by genus49:
All star cast? Does that apply to the OL as well or are we going to pretend that Trent Williams being an all pro at LT means we have an all pro OL across the board?

You saw Mahomes, the greatest in the game right now, with poor pass pro right? 0-2 in SBs with 4 picks and only 3 garbage time TDs.

Pass pro is pretty important and ignoring how well Brock played with pretty poor pass protection in 2023 and just giving all that love to the skill players as if Brock wasn't an MVP runner up for a reason?

Brock has 40+ starts under his belt. That's plenty to evaluate whether he can play in this game or not.

Let's ignore that Jauan Jennings was playing like a top WR with Brock. Let's forget how Brock answered all the stupid questions people had for him in that 2023 season in the playoffs.

Can he play in the rain - check

Can he win without Deebo - check

Can he win if he has to make a game winning drive - check(in the rain btw, with a key big play to Chris Conley)

Can he lead a comeback down by 10+ - check

It's silly to point to last year with so much stuff going wrong and act like he hasn't proven that he can't play without all the fancy weapons. How about just some consistent ones and a good OL?

That's exactly what Josh Allen had last year and everyone acts like he was a one man roster out there.

Very good OL, excellent running game. Very good defense and special teams. Solid and consistent weapons to throw to.

He had his top guy out one game - it was arguably his worst game of the season. What does that tell us about Josh?

So we are comparing Josh Allen to Brock Purdy now?

Brock's best season in 2023 he had Aiuyk, Deebo, Jennings, Kittle and CMC. Give Allen those weapons and he breaks NFL records.

Last year Allen had a better year with worse weapons. Their top receiver was Shakir who had 800+ yards and Kincaid at TE who had 400+ yards. Brock still had Deebo, Jennings and Kittle and Mason wasn't far off from Cook in RB rankings.

Buffalo's run game was inconsistent every week. Cook had 1000 yards but a big part of their run game was Josh Allen and his legs who had 500+ yards. Take away his rushing yards and Buffalo is 2nd worst in the league in rushing yards just ahead of LV.

As for our Oline:

"15) San Francisco 49ersRegular-Season Grade: 80.2 (B-)

It was a tough end to the season for the San Francisco 49ers' offensive line, and having Trent Williams out with an injury was a big reason why. Williams ranked second on the year in OT PBWR, with Jake Brendel being the only other 49ers OL getting listed on the individual leaderboards to end the year.

With Williams absent, San Francisco posted four individual game grades of D+ or below in seven games. That led to their fall outside the top 10, ranking 18th over the final four weeks, thanks in part to a strong finish against the Cardinals.

Unlike the Chiefs, San Francisco did not have the interior depth to play well while struggling at left tackle. With a 37.1% pressure rate, the 49ers' pass-protection numbers looked bad on the surface, but their quarterbacks also hold the ball for over three seconds on average, ranking as the league's sixth-highest rate.

The main positive in San Francisco's numbers was run blocking, ranking fourth in RBYBC/rush (1.05). Yet, they ranked 24th in ESPN's RBWR metric, which suggests their yards before contact numbers are as much about the backs' style as the line's performance. When you combine those metrics, they average out as an average run-blocking group."

This is without Trent Williams and Aaron Banks for almost half the year. With them, we are a top 10 Oline.

The Bills were 4th BTW but statistically not far off from us.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

As for his comeback wins:

2 Fourth Quarter Comebacks and/or 2 Game-Winning Drives. One in 2022 and one in 2024

And.

One Postseason 4th Quarter Comeback and 3 Postseason Game-Winning Drives. One in 2022 vs Dallas and two in 2023 l. One vs GB and one vs Det.

"In regular-season action, Purdy has two career fourth-quarter comebacks. Tom Brady (46) and Peyton Manning (41) are atop the NFL record book; Dan Marino, for whom Purdy wears No. 13, registered 33 fourth-quarter comebacks, and Joe Montana's 26 are the 17th-most in NFL history"

Let's not act like he's Joe Montana all of a sudden with come from behind victories.

But overall Purdy is not good when trailing in the 4th quarter.

"#49ers Brock Purdy when down 1-8 points in 4th quarter or OT in regular season or playoffs: 41 for 72 for 502 yards, 3 TDs, 7 INTs, 52.9 passer rating (Purdy ranks 151st out of 160 QBs with 50+ attempts in that scenario since 2000)"

"Brock Purdy's career passer rating in the 4th quarter is lower than Zach Wilson's"

He has had 5 games in his career out of 46 games where he lead a comeback in the 4th But overall his 4th quarter stats sum up the fact that when we need him to make plays and put the game on his shoulders he is mediocre at best. He cannot get it done as of yet when it matters most.

He also has a 4-2 career playoff record but 0-2 in the biggest games of his career. The 2023 NFCC VS Philly when he got hurt and the 2024 SB.

Again, I like Purdy but paying him 50+ mil is a mistake IMO. The stats show that he is a league average QB without a star studded cast. The difference from 2023 to 2024 is night and day.

Purdy is clearly a Goff or Tua level guy. You can pay them but you need to make sure they have the support around them because they're not going do it on their own like the elite guys. After paying Purdy and our main guys getting older and regressing I don't see him having enough help around him. I'm not sure a massive contract extension is a wise move.

Originally posted by BP13:
that's right, two playoff games won in the rain!. I remember because his quads look even bigger in the rain

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49ers need a real FQB like this guy. Doesn't worry about money, just worries about improving his game and not causing any distractions.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

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49ers need a real FQB like this guy. Doesn't worry about money, just worries about improving his game and not causing any distractions.

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