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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I can only speak for myself but I am rooting for Brock. If he turns into a super star you're not gonna see me upset lol…. As far as Lance what's the point in making such rash assumptions off such little data? That's my point. Every single fan in here turning into skip Bayless and Grant Cohn?

I can only speak for myself. And to me he is looking exactly as I expected. We had to change our offense just as I expected. People are calling for k**e Shanahan as COTY. Mainly because of his play calling. With Trey he had to change his offense to a point that he wouldn't be in a position to be COTY.

There is more data than some people think. Like QB traits, we all look at the data differently.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Injuries shouldn't be looked at as equal either. Lance had to learn to grip a football differently last yr because of his broken finger. Broken ankle is a broken ankle…unfortunately Brock could suffer the same s**t at any point. Blown block or s**tty tackle is all it takes.

This is my main concern with Purdy rn. He gets really competitive and wants those extra yards if he can run it himself & doesn't mind being hit. Which is great but at the same time it could result in a major injury.The dude is really intense, I just hope he plays smart football & doesn't allow himself to be too vulnerable. He is super smart, no doubt about it but the intensity kinda worries me lol. It's nice though, to have some intensity. He is pure drive. I just hope he makes good judgment and keeps as safe as possible. His eyes are so intense lol. I don't see that kinda drive often. It's rare but proceed with a bit of caution. I want him to last a long time lol. Go Niners
[ Edited by Montana on Dec 26, 2022 at 8:28 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
You do realize that I never mentioned that start in week 2, right? But since you want to bring up injuries. He was also injured multiple times last season, right? How do you establish any kind of continuity if you are always injured, right? Brock did play through injury, right? He played well in his second start inspite of a rib injury, right?

Injuries shouldn't be looked at as equal either. Lance had to learn to grip a football differently last yr because of his broken finger. Broken ankle is a broken ankle…unfortunately Brock could suffer the same s**t at any point. Blown block or s**tty tackle is all it takes.

The conversation was about why Trey has had a slow start to his career. I wasn't even trying to bring up injuries. ix4n6 brought up the injuries and so I wanted to put that argument to rest. If ix4n6 would do a little research he'd know that Trey's passing efficiency numbers have been mostly average to below average. While Brock on the other hand has been mostly above average and some borderline elite stats in passing efficiency. So whether one wants to give it the eye test, durability test, or efficiency test, Trey has had a very slow start to his career. Anyone who cannot see that are uninformed or just playing dumb.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Dec 26, 2022 at 8:35 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think it's dumb to look at it like that as well…how about the idea of having a top 5 roster and it HELPING a QB like Lance? Half the time what destroys a young QB is being surrounded by s**t and forced to do more than you can.

would Brock be this good on the Texans? Highly unlikely.

It goes both ways. Would Trey be even worse on the Texans? Highly likely.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
And on whose time are we going to do that? Trent Williams whose what, 35? George Kittle, who will soon be 30. How long would it take him to get those 1500 pass attempts in the NFL three years? With two games left in the season Mahomes has 580 attempts. So is it your contention that the team should just wait around for two and a half years while Lance learns on the job? Lance's problem, and by extension, the 49ers, is that they have a roster that is built to win now. Purdy has come in and shown that, so far, he as what it takes to run the offense. He is efficient, mobile, aggressive with the ball down field and helps the team put points on the board.

At this stage of their careers in what faction of the game has Lance demonstrated that he is observably better except as a nose down runner? While he certainly has gained more yards running than Purdy he is not particularly elusive or quick. He is larger and stronger but I don't see that as a benefit for anything other than taking a dive into the line. I suspect a lot of those yards also came on plays where he broke out of the pocket on a pass that broke down, part of his 54.9 completion %. But I have also seen him get stoned on several runs where he was trying to get to the sticks with only a yard to go.

I remember one play where he was going around the edge on third down and ran out of bounds a half yard short of the sticks as opposed to that play by Purdy where he slid under a tackler, extended the ball, and got the first down with damaged ribs and a partially torn oblique muscle. There was also a play against Seattle I think where Purdy was rolling out after the snap and fell down. Fell down! But still had the presence of mind to get up and complete a pass for positive yards. Jimmy never makes that play and I seriously doubt Lance would make it simply because he isn't as nimble or quick footed as Purdy.

As a passer? Here are there stat lines so far.

Lance 8 games
Passing 102 Atts. 54.9% Comp 797 YDs. 7.8 Avg. 5 TDs 3 Int. 84,5 rating / Rushing 54 Atts. 235 Yds 4.4 Avg. 1 TD

Purdy 7 games
115 Atts. 67% Comp. 912 Yds. 7.9 Avg 8 TDS 3 Ints. 103.2 Rating / Rushing 16 Atts. 9 YDS .06 Avg. 1 TD

Regardless of what happens the rest of this year Lance is facing an uphill climb going into camp next season. About the only way he wins that job is if Shanahan and Lynch hand it to him again like they did this year. If it is really an open competition I don't see how he comes out on top quite frankly. Time will tell though I guess.

That decision (on whose time) was made when he was drafted…if you can't handle that then I don't know what to tell ya. Those dudes are all in the early stages of making top money. They ain't going anywhere and IMO this regime clearly knows how to make a roster and should continue to do such.

8 games lol? What are you even talking about random given plays on any given week? Same with Brock. In no objective world should you be tossing out those types of stats UNLESS you're trying to put out some confirmation bias.

I'm not arguing stats and we all can see that Brock has played better…no one is debating that. He also showed up with 1,500 passing attempts and 4 yrs starting. That's 5xs more attempts than Lance had. So yeah I'm not shocked that he looks more prepared right now, that's what I've been f**king saying since lance was taken…he NEEDS live reps to get better.

Whatever kyle and Lynch do next yr, I support. That's also discussions for next yr.

why can't we discuss the game right now? Do you think our offense was amazing this weekend? Let's talk about it…thank god for those explosives because I thought we stunk in the red zone. I thought we let DC hang in for way too long.
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Injuries shouldn't be looked at as equal either. Lance had to learn to grip a football differently last yr because of his broken finger. Broken ankle is a broken ankle…unfortunately Brock could suffer the same s**t at any point. Blown block or s**tty tackle is all it takes.

This is my main concern with Purdy rn. He gets really competitive and wants those extra yards if he can run it himself & doesn't mind being hit. Which is great but at the same time it could result in a major injury.The dude is really intense, I just hope he plays smart football & doesn't allow himself to be too vulnerable. He is super smart, no doubt about it but the intensity kinda worries me lol. It's nice though, to have some intensity. He is pure drive. I just hope he makes good judgment and keeps as safe as possible. His eyes are so intense lol. I don't see that kinda drive often. It's rare but proceed with a bit of caution. I want him to last a long time lol. Go Niners

You can't tell a really competitive player to be careful. That would take away from what makes them who they are. Nobody wants to see any player get hurt but these guys play like they do because that's their nature. Deebo and Kittle play like mad men. They get injured but if they didn't play as hard they wouldn't be as good. They know that and understand the risks. Brock has injured ribs but his instincts kick in and he's willing to take the hits. The games is so fast that they don't hav etime to stop and consider the consequences of what they are doing. They just react.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The conversation was about why Trey has had a slow start to his career. I wasn't even trying to bring up injuries. ix4n6 brought up the injuries and so I wanted to put that argument to rest. If ix4n6 would do a little research he'd know that Trey's passing efficiency numbers have been mostly average to below average. While Brock on the other hand has been mostly above average and some borderline elite stats in passing efficiency. So whether one wants to give it the eye test, durability test, or efficiency test, Trey has had a very slow start to his career. Anyone who cannot see that are uninformed or just playing dumb.

What career lol? Dude has like 100 passing attempts. I just feel like we're comparing the smallest sample sizes ever to make some brash decision…Im just glad we can stop with the Jimmy makes Kyle great crap.
Calling a career 3 starts is pretty ridiculous. 99% of QBs do not light it up in 2 backup role starts and their first actual start in a monsoon.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You can't tell a really competitive player to be careful. That would take away from what makes them who they are. Nobody wants to see any player get hurt but these guys play like they do because that's their nature. Deebo and Kittle play like mad men. They get injured but if they didn't play as hard they wouldn't be as good. They know that and understand the risks. Brock has injured ribs but his instincts kick in and he's willing to take the hits. The games is so fast that they don't hav etime to stop and consider the consequences of what they are doing. They just react.

Yeah, I saw an interview with him & how he said he plays gritty to get extra yards but he said it's important to play smart too. Just hope he continues to have balance regarding decision making. It's ok to slide here and there lol. I am sure he understands the risks, he's just a damn good player. I want him around lol.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The conversation was about why Trey has had a slow start to his career. I wasn't even trying to bring up injuries. ix4n6 brought up the injuries and so I wanted to put that argument to rest. If ix4n6 would do a little research he'd know that Trey's passing efficiency numbers have been mostly average to below average. While Brock on the other hand has been mostly above average and some borderline elite stats in passing efficiency. So whether one wants to give it the eye test, durability test, or efficiency test, Trey has had a very slow start to his career. Anyone who cannot see that are uninformed or just playing dumb.

What career lol? Dude has like 100 passing attempts. I just feel like we're comparing the smallest sample sizes ever to make some brash decision…Im just glad we can stop with the Jimmy makes Kyle great crap.
Meh... These guys need to trash someone. Yesterday it was Jimmy, today it's Trey after 3 starts, tomorrow it's Purdy.
Originally posted by krizay:
I can only speak for myself. And to me he is looking exactly as I expected. We had to change our offense just as I expected. People are calling for k**e Shanahan as COTY. Mainly because of his play calling. With Trey he had to change his offense to a point that he wouldn't be in a position to be COTY.

There is more data than some people think. Like QB traits, we all look at the data differently.

What did we change outside of being able to add in some running elements? From pass play concepts, what was Kyle not able to call with Lance? I saw bootlegs, PA under center and from the gun. We saw those yankee concepts that he loves so much. We saw those in breaking routes he likes to use. We saw those quick screens for Deebo etc etc. So he added some read options and QB power elements, clearly that was part of the reason he wanted Lance to begin with.

you have no idea what Kyle would be doing if Lance was playing from WK1 to right now…none. You're making some brash see I told ya moment off of what, 100 passing attempts? bravo, I guess.

If you want to use 100 passing attempts (also including some weird in game lance packages) as being "more data" than people think…more power to ya, logical objected people would call that an extremely small sample size. Clearly we know what people in here want to use that as meaningful data and guys like waterbear have called ya'll out for it.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The conversation was about why Trey has had a slow start to his career. I wasn't even trying to bring up injuries. ix4n6 brought up the injuries and so I wanted to put that argument to rest. If ix4n6 would do a little research he'd know that Trey's passing efficiency numbers have been mostly average to below average. While Brock on the other hand has been mostly above average and some borderline elite stats in passing efficiency. So whether one wants to give it the eye test, durability test, or efficiency test, Trey has had a very slow start to his career. Anyone who cannot see that are uninformed or just playing dumb.

What career lol? Dude has like 100 passing attempts. I just feel like we're comparing the smallest sample sizes ever to make some brash decision…Im just glad we can stop with the Jimmy makes Kyle great crap.

What brash decision are you referring to exactly? Because I am not one of the posters calling for Trey to be traded. I am simply in favor of letting this Purdy ride go as long as it will naturally go. In the meantime, Trey can continue to learn from passer's that are much better and much more experienced than him.
There's one thing Purdy has established: wins are not a QB stat with this team.
Originally posted by zugschef:
There's one thing Purdy has established: wins are not a QB stat with this team.

Why is that?
Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Calling a career 3 starts is pretty ridiculous. 99% of QBs do not light it up in 2 backup role starts and their first actual start in a monsoon.

Jalen Hurts who had over 1,000 passing attempts in college…his first season playing in Philly? 148 passing attempts…competed 52% of his passes for 6TDs and 4INTs. This forum would have ate him alive, now he's in the discussion for MVP. I'm not saying he's the next Hurts…but or f**k sake give him the chance to at least fail.
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