QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Here we go with the broken finger. What about the broken rib?

Addressing his point, fans didn't actually know he had an injured finger last season. The message to the public at that time was that he was healthy. That was said this offseason retroactively in defense of his performance. Not sure how real it is. Also, FWIW, try to remember the reaction of a certain group of fans when the arm fatigue report came out. They weren't having it. In their eyes there was nothing wrong with the health of his arm, nothing wrong with his throwing motion.

My understanding, is the finger was 2021. It's an odd saga, however what is worth noting is he was cleared to play vs ARZ, and cleared to play vs HOU. So while the finger may have been bothersome, it wasn't injured to the extent he wasn't able to perform, prax, and play in games. The only game he didn't dress was IND, due to a knee. So this is like BPs rib, in that you play thru it, and kind of tough it out. When you look at guys who play 17 games every season, they are playing thru a lot of stuff, and wearing it without ppl knowing.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/8/2/23815862/49ers-brock-purdy-kyle-shanahan-quarterback-trust

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
He shouldn't be handed the starting job. He should compete with Brock by playing with and against the 1's as much as Brock. I speak for myself at least I don't want Trey handed anything. Brock should beat him no problem in a competition then right?

Brock established himself as QB1 last season in the eyes of the coaches. It's not usual for backups to share reps with the starting QB. Now that can change as camp progresses based on both players performance, and Darnold's as well, but it's not a surprise it's not starting that way. We're less than a week into TC.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My understanding, is the finger was 2021. It's an odd saga, however what is worth noting is he was cleared to play vs ARZ, and cleared to play vs HOU. So while the finger may have been bothersome, it wasn't injured to the extent he wasn't able to perform, prax, and play in games. The only game he didn't dress was IND, due to a knee. So this is like BPs rib, in that you play thru it, and kind of tough it out. When you look at guys who play 17 games every season, they are playing thru a lot of stuff, and wearing it without ppl knowing.

That was everyone's understanding last year. Nobody knew his finger injury was lingering because again, the public message was he was healthy. A two year long finger injury is the story now.

I made this point months ago, but just think Kyle gave the starting job to a raw, unproven, and apparently injured QB without competition when the team was primed to go on a SB run. Absolutely absurdly bad management.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My understanding, is the finger was 2021. It's an odd saga, however what is worth noting is he was cleared to play vs ARZ, and cleared to play vs HOU. So while the finger may have been bothersome, it wasn't injured to the extent he wasn't able to perform, prax, and play in games. The only game he didn't dress was IND, due to a knee. So this is like BPs rib, in that you play thru it, and kind of tough it out. When you look at guys who play 17 games every season, they are playing thru a lot of stuff, and wearing it without ppl knowing.

That was everyone's understanding last year. Nobody knew his finger injury was lingering because again, the public message was he was healthy. A two year long finger injury is the story now.

I made this point months ago, but just think Kyle gave the starting job to a raw, unproven, and apparently injured QB without competition when the team was primed to go on a SB run. Absolutely absurdly bad management.

It's not a two year long finger injury. The timetable got messed up here. He had it in 2021, preseason. He is confirmed to have a healthy finger in spring 2022. I think how the timeline got messed up, is at an event in 2023 KS was asked about his QBs, and he mentioned TL's finger is now healed, KS was giving the full history of the challenges he's faced since being in the NFL, yet some reporters ran with it as a 'breaking news' TL finger finally healed, a few months back, when it was very much old news by that time.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
He shouldn't be handed the starting job. He should compete with Brock by playing with and against the 1's as much as Brock. I speak for myself at least I don't want Trey handed anything. Brock should beat him no problem in a competition then right?

Brock established himself as QB1 last season in the eyes of the coaches. It's not usual for backups to share reps with the starting QB. Now that can change as camp progresses based on both players performance, and Darnold's as well, but it's not a surprise it's not starting that way. We're less than a week into TC.

Not just the coaches, but basically the whole team. Players were very vocal early in the off-season that Purdy should be QB1.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Nah, only a few posters getting bent out of shape thinking we're missing on some sort of generational talent if Trey's not handed the starting job.

He shouldn't be handed the starting job. He should compete with Brock by playing with and against the 1's as much as Brock. I speak for myself at least I don't want Trey handed anything. Brock should beat him no problem in a competition then right?

Why would Brock have to share QB1 reps with Trey if the coach is very confident that Brock is so much better than Trey?

Just because Brock can beat Trey no problem doesn't mean you want your QB1 to lose valuable QB1 reps.

In fact, Trey is competing with Darnold for the QB2 reps. Everything indicates Brock is the far better QB.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Drew Brees said one reasons his throws were so good is because his throws start from the base of his legs and goes on up to his arm. Purdy is so quick with his base, I think that is one reason he's so accurate - is that lower base quickness. He can get set up quick and hence can throw quick.

I've never seen nor heard of a guy being able to add 5+ mph to his arm passing in one offseason, but if Brock's body is composed of mostly quick twitch muscles, a bigger arm might result in greater velocity. That's the only thing I can think of because I've never seen anybody do what Brock did by training camp last year.

Yeah, I'm super curious on the details regarding what he did to add so much velocity/power to his throws. I can understand him adding 5+MPH over the course 2 years or so of grinding, but he did it in a few months. Whatever those coaches were teaching and looking at - needs to be done with more guys.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Here we go with the broken finger. What about the broken rib?

Addressing his point, fans didn't actually know he had an injured finger last season. The message to the public at that time was that he was healthy. That was said this offseason retroactively in defense of his performance. Not sure how real it is. Also, FWIW, try to remember the reaction of a certain group of fans when the arm fatigue report came out. They weren't having it. In their eyes there was nothing wrong with the health of his arm, nothing wrong with his throwing motion.

My understanding, is the finger was 2021. It's an odd saga, however what is worth noting is he was cleared to play vs ARZ, and cleared to play vs HOU. So while the finger may have been bothersome, it wasn't injured to the extent he wasn't able to perform, prax, and play in games. The only game he didn't dress was IND, due to a knee. So this is like BPs rib, in that you play thru it, and kind of tough it out. When you look at guys who play 17 games every season, they are playing thru a lot of stuff, and wearing it without ppl knowing.

My issue with the finger is that if it was making him THAT inaccurate, he shouldn't of been playing. No way you think your best chance of winning last season, especially early, is with a guy who can't properly hold and throw a ball. It must of been known in camp too, so if it was that bad - they would of had him heal it and come back later in the season, IMO. I don't buy that it was the whole issue, I think he just has accuracy issues (which seem to be improved).

but yes, everyone gets injured. It's just part of a violent sport. The question comes down to can you play through it and still be effective. Allen messed up his UCL last season and played through it. Hurts with a bum shoulder and played through it for a period, Mahomes with a high ankle sprain and somehow didn't miss a beat - incredible. Lol jimmy did it with a torn thumb ligament in his throwing hand and separated throwing shoulder. It's just part of the game, you won't always be 100% once the season starts.

the game Brock broke his ribs was a blowout.. it can happen anytime.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Here we go with the broken finger. What about the broken rib?

Addressing his point, fans didn't actually know he had an injured finger last season. The message to the public at that time was that he was healthy. That was said this offseason retroactively in defense of his performance. Not sure how real it is. Also, FWIW, try to remember the reaction of a certain group of fans when the arm fatigue report came out. They weren't having it. In their eyes there was nothing wrong with the health of his arm, nothing wrong with his throwing motion.

My understanding, is the finger was 2021. It's an odd saga, however what is worth noting is he was cleared to play vs ARZ, and cleared to play vs HOU. So while the finger may have been bothersome, it wasn't injured to the extent he wasn't able to perform, prax, and play in games. The only game he didn't dress was IND, due to a knee. So this is like BPs rib, in that you play thru it, and kind of tough it out. When you look at guys who play 17 games every season, they are playing thru a lot of stuff, and wearing it without ppl knowing.

My issue with the finger is that if it was making him THAT inaccurate, he shouldn't of been playing. No way you think your best chance of winning last season, especially early, is with a guy who can't properly hold and throw a ball. It must of been known in camp too, so if it was that bad - they would of had him heal it and come back later in the season, IMO. I don't buy that it was the whole issue, I think he just has accuracy issues (which seem to be improved).

but yes, everyone gets injured. It's just part of a violent sport. The question comes down to can you play through it and still be effective. Allen messed up his UCL last season and played through it. Hurts with a bum shoulder and played through it for a period, Mahomes with a high ankle sprain and somehow didn't miss a beat - incredible. Lol jimmy did it with a torn thumb ligament in his throwing hand and separated throwing shoulder. It's just part of the game, you won't always be 100% once the season starts.

the game Brock broke his ribs was a blowout.. it can happen anytime.

The finger was a 2021 injury, you can find a bunch of reports, where it's healed, long before the start of 2022. He had to play on it in 2021, kinda like BP had to play on the rib in 2022.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I'm super curious on the details regarding what he did to add so much velocity/power to his throws. I can understand him adding 5+MPH over the course 2 years or so of grinding, but he did it in a few months. Whatever those coaches were teaching and looking at - needs to be done with more guys.

Lol if you leave the webzone long enough to search it wouldn't have been hard to find

https://www.ninersnation.com/2022/12/14/23509567/san-francisco-49ers-brock-purdy-throwing-coach-will-hewlett-transformed-game

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My understanding, is the finger was 2021. It's an odd saga, however what is worth noting is he was cleared to play vs ARZ, and cleared to play vs HOU. So while the finger may have been bothersome, it wasn't injured to the extent he wasn't able to perform, prax, and play in games. The only game he didn't dress was IND, due to a knee. So this is like BPs rib, in that you play thru it, and kind of tough it out. When you look at guys who play 17 games every season, they are playing thru a lot of stuff, and wearing it without ppl knowing.

That was everyone's understanding last year. Nobody knew his finger injury was lingering because again, the public message was he was healthy. A two year long finger injury is the story now.

I made this point months ago, but just think Kyle gave the starting job to a raw, unproven, and apparently injured QB without competition when the team was primed to go on a SB run. Absolutely absurdly bad management.

It's not a two year long finger injury. The timetable got messed up here. He had it in 2021, preseason. He is confirmed to have a healthy finger in spring 2022. I think how the timeline got messed up, is at an event in 2023 KS was asked about his QBs, and he mentioned TL's finger is now healed, KS was giving the full history of the challenges he's faced since being in the NFL, yet some reporters ran with it as a 'breaking news' TL finger finally healed, a few months back, when it was very much old news by that time.

Not really, that finger injury happened in preseason of 2021, it apparently was healed by like late 2022 or early 2023, that's a ridiculous long time. It healed wrong, apparently.

if they're saying it was healed wrong during the beginning of 2022, it must of been fixed sometime between his ankle breaking and March 2023.

I just don't understand why it wasn't fixed last off-season. There is no way in hell Lance and the staff weren't aware of it. I can't figure out why they let it linger during last off season.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I'm super curious on the details regarding what he did to add so much velocity/power to his throws. I can understand him adding 5+MPH over the course 2 years or so of grinding, but he did it in a few months. Whatever those coaches were teaching and looking at - needs to be done with more guys.

Lol if you leave the webzone long enough to search it wouldn't have been hard to find

https://www.ninersnation.com/2022/12/14/23509567/san-francisco-49ers-brock-purdy-throwing-coach-will-hewlett-transformed-game

1. I'll never leave the webzone. Hahaha
2. I've read this article. I meant more in detail - like the workouts, which part of his body needed adjustment specifically and how they did it.
i guess I'd just love to be a fly on the wall and watch it all play out.

but thanks for sharing rest though. It was a good refresher.

Just sharing this if anyone wants to read about the initial throwing work he did last off season.

"When Purdy arrived at Hewlett's training facility in Florida a few days after his Bowl Game, they immediately put him through motion capture, breaking down every detailed nuance of his throwing motion.

Based on the results, Hewlett and Gormely are able to put together a plan to improve the different areas of deficiencies for quarterbacks. Specific to Brock Purdy, Hewlett noted that he wasn't built like a traditional thrower.

Hewlett mentioned that Purdy wasn't necessarily a prototypical quarterback prospect. He wasn't built like a lengthy, tall, long prospect. Instead, Purdy's quads were built like a college fullback, which caused some issues in his overall throwing motion.

The private coach added that Purdy was built more for a position that required "forward-pushing movement, rather than a rotational thrower." They quickly identified these issues and worked on his strength and weight distribution to correct those issues.

"Brock was awesome. He wanted to fix every little thing. He was really into the program and made some fantastic strides through the process," Hewlett added on the 49ers' rookie quarterback. One thing that stood out in speaking to Hewlett was Purdy's desire to improve every bit of his motion in their short time together.

How impressive was Purdy's improvement? The Iowa State offensive coaching staff reached out to Hewlett after Purdy's Pro Day and asked if he could work with all of their quarterbacks.

"It was truly the perfect storm. [Brock] was the right type of young man for this program. His dad was also a baseball player, which meant he had the right type of background. He's also extremely driven and humble and just has this urge to be great," Hewlett described on Purdy's drastic improvement between his final college game and the NFL Draft.

Quantifiably, Hewlett said that Purdy's throwing velocity improved by nearly five miles per hour after his work with the throwing coach. On average, NFL quarterbacks reach 54-55 miles per hour on their throws, but Purdy was only throwing about 50-51 miles per hour when he came into the throwing program."

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Drew Brees said one reasons his throws were so good is because his throws start from the base of his legs and goes on up to his arm. Purdy is so quick with his base, I think that is one reason he's so accurate - is that lower base quickness. He can get set up quick and hence can throw quick.

I've never seen nor heard of a guy being able to add 5+ mph to his arm passing in one offseason, but if Brock's body is composed of mostly quick twitch muscles, a bigger arm might result in greater velocity. That's the only thing I can think of because I've never seen anybody do what Brock did by training camp last year.

Yeah, I'm super curious on the details regarding what he did to add so much velocity/power to his throws. I can understand him adding 5+MPH over the course 2 years or so of grinding, but he did it in a few months. Whatever those coaches were teaching and looking at - needs to be done with more guys.

Agree, if those coaches can replicate that with other QB's, they'll be swimming in money. The only other thing I can think of is teams have better measuring devices. These GPS devices are so accurate they can measure many more things like 10 yard splits etc... It may be that those added MPH's that Brock put on were there all the time with other QB's but weren't able to be accurately measure. Anyway, bottom line, Brock's arm is good enough to get him to last years NFC Championship game, and quite possibly beyond -- this upcoming year.