QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Again, I don't care about Lawrence or Perry. I'm talking about the niners situation . And that situation is that Purdy has cemented himself as the #1 guy in the eyes of the coaches, FO and players and he will be allowed to play through some rough patches unless he is an absolute disaster and the season is going down the toilet . Those who desperately want Trey to start may not like it, and it may suck fit Trey, but that's the reality of the situation.

Beyond our season literally going in the toilet, Brock struggling doesn't actually change Lance's trajectory. Only his play in camp/preseason/practice will do that. That's why Sam Darnold is here. To give us another option to potentially play if things go sideways with Brock. Brock isn't healthy, or Brock struggles, we have two other talented guys who the team hopes can deliver good performance right away. If Trey can't out perform Sam right away, he won't be playing based on theoretical potential.

The whole situation sucks a little bit because when we drafted Lance I was excited because we would pick up at least 3-5 first downs per game with his legs alone. Not to mention that he can throw deep very well which we have not seen since Steve Young and extend plays. So I was beyond hopeful. However now we have a quarterback that can play at a very good or elite level and if he does not then we can go back to Lance this year and by that time he will be a solid/good quarterback with running upside and deep ball accuracy.

We are good to go for #6

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think Brock being the "leader in the clubhouse" is a reflection on Brock and what he did. I think Lance having to compete with darnold for QB2 is a relegation on Lance. It's hard for me to believe that they believe in Lance when they're making him split reps with darnold.

if they really thought Lance was a potential superstar or were impressed with him, they'd be giving all the first team reps to him (or as many as possible) and letting it be known he could unseat Purdy. Not split reps with a bust journeyman for a backup job.

they can say whatever they want in the media but actions speak louder than words. That's the takeaway I get. Lance hopefully develops really nicely but I think their opinion of him is on full display.

If they were comfortable with Lance being even a short term starter or quality backup going into this offseason, Darnold wouldn't be here.

The last time they were comfortable rolling with Lance they brought in Nate Sudfeld to be the backup. Once camp and preseason happened and they got a real look at year two Lance that calculus changed. This is why we have seen two unprecedented QB2 and QB3 contracts over the last two seasons. They are hedging as much as they can, and trying to protect a Super Bowl team's chances.

Originally posted by elguapo:
You guys, at this point NY will say anything to support Lance and question Brock. He's even going off the rails comparing other examples of situations like a back up to Lawrence when that quarterback did not break rookie records like Brock Purdy did. That would not be the situation and Lawrence did have a few good games to show he has vast potential. Lance may not have so that example is unrealistic. Oh my s**t this is amusing. He won't concede to anything at this point and it's OK. He can have his opinions, even if they are very biased and quite often wrong regarding the situation.

We all want the best quarterback that gives us the best chance to win and sadly right now it is Brock Purdy. I would love Trey Lance to reach his full potential and the only way is more playing time. It just is a bad situation on a championship team. However, Lance has not looked great at all or even very good but I think all of us can agree he will improve.

We should look at it this way. Brock is going to start and if he plays even remotely as well as he did last year, let's say at a top 8 to 10 level even though he was playing at a top 1-2 level, we will most likely win a Super Bowl. If he falters then we have Lance and could move forward with him indefinitely. It's a win-win.

Sorry to call you out like that and why but your stance overall is genuine. We have to give a quarterback a bigger sample size to make a final determination. I think Brock has shown almost enough so we will see this year if he continues playing very well.

If that's what you got out of my posts then you're completely wrong

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think Brock being the "leader in the clubhouse" is a reflection on Brock and what he did. I think Lance having to compete with darnold for QB2 is a relegation on Lance. It's hard for me to believe that they believe in Lance when they're making him split reps with darnold.

if they really thought Lance was a potential superstar or were impressed with him, they'd be giving all the first team reps to him (or as many as possible) and letting it be known he could unseat Purdy. Not split reps with a bust journeyman for a backup job.

they can say whatever they want in the media but actions speak louder than words. That's the takeaway I get. Lance hopefully develops really nicely but I think their opinion of him is on full display.

If they were comfortable with Lance being even a short term starter or quality backup going into this offseason, Darnold wouldn't be here.

The last time they were comfortable rolling with Lance they brought in Nate Sudfeld to be the backup. Once camp and preseason happened and they got a real look at year two Lance that calculus changed. This is why we have seen two unprecedented QB2 and QB3 contracts over the last two seasons. They are hedging as much as they can, and trying to protect a Super Bowl team's chances.

It's crazy that every single move that they make in regards to the QB position is entirely about their feelings regarding Trey Lance. They pay Sudfeld 2 million guaranteed? It's because they're worried about Lance. They get rid of Nate Sudfeld and bring back Jimmy on the cheap after unsuccessfully trying to trade him all offseason? Must be because they're worried about Lance. They bring in another viable starting QB after a season when all 3 of their QBs suffered season ending injuries? Only about Trey Lance. Sign another career backup QB? Must be because they're getting ready to trade/cut Lance. Considering how far down the depth chart some of you have placed him, you would think he wouldn't be the impetus for every decision the team makes.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Again, I don't care about Lawrence or Perry. I'm talking about the niners situation . And that situation is that Purdy has cemented himself as the #1 guy in the eyes of the coaches, FO and players and he will be allowed to play through some rough patches unless he is an absolute disaster and the season is going down the toilet . Those who desperately want Trey to start may not like it, and it may suck fit Trey, but that's the reality of the situation.

Why can't you answer my scenario? I mean it's not crazy dissimilar to this situation and you know it. You would said Perry should be the starter and get to develop/play through bad food, while Lawrence sat the bench.

There's no need to try to toss in things like desperately want to Trey to start. I don't give a f**k who it is. I have my questions with BCB and if he can't maintain it. I have a right to say hey 3 1sts and he gets 100 random passing attempts? That's stupid and any normal fan should agree.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think Brock being the "leader in the clubhouse" is a reflection on Brock and what he did. I think Lance having to compete with darnold for QB2 is a relegation on Lance. It's hard for me to believe that they believe in Lance when they're making him split reps with darnold.

if they really thought Lance was a potential superstar or were impressed with him, they'd be giving all the first team reps to him (or as many as possible) and letting it be known he could unseat Purdy. Not split reps with a bust journeyman for a backup job.

they can say whatever they want in the media but actions speak louder than words. That's the takeaway I get. Lance hopefully develops really nicely but I think their opinion of him is on full display.

If they were comfortable with Lance being even a short term starter or quality backup going into this offseason, Darnold wouldn't be here.

The last time they were comfortable rolling with Lance they brought in Nate Sudfeld to be the backup. Once camp and preseason happened and they got a real look at year two Lance that calculus changed. This is why we have seen two unprecedented QB2 and QB3 contracts over the last two seasons. They are hedging as much as they can, and trying to protect a Super Bowl team's chances.

It's crazy that every single move that they make in regards to the QB position is entirely about their feelings regarding Trey Lance. They pay Sudfeld 2 million guaranteed? It's because they're worried about Lance. They get rid of Nate Sudfeld and bring back Jimmy on the cheap after unsuccessfully trying to trade him all offseason? Must be because they're worried about Lance. They bring in another viable starting QB after a season when all 3 of their QBs suffered season ending injuries? Only about Trey Lance. Sign another career backup QB? Must be because they're getting ready to trade/cut Lance. Considering how far down the depth chart some of you have placed him, you would think he wouldn't be the impetus for every decision the team makes.

I didn't think the sudfield thing had to do with Lance. Sudfield was expected to be QB2 and $2M is relatively cheap for that. You have to remember that jimmy wasn't supposed to be on the team. I didn't view anytbing last year to do with Lance besides them trying to get jimmy out of the building because of how well liked he was and that jimmy was obviously the better QB at the time.

whether someone likes it or not, a lot of the decisions at QB are a reflection on Trey Lance. Lol the fact Trey has to actually compete with Darnold says a lot. The fact Darnold has the capability to earn as much as Lance, says a lot. Some of it is protecting the team from health but there is also a portion of it that is because of the uncertainty around Lance. Uncertainty of if he will play, if he will stay healthy for the first time, if he will play good/bad, if someone wants to trade for him etc. not all of it is bad, but a lot of it is related to the unknown behind him.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think Brock being the "leader in the clubhouse" is a reflection on Brock and what he did. I think Lance having to compete with darnold for QB2 is a relegation on Lance. It's hard for me to believe that they believe in Lance when they're making him split reps with darnold.

if they really thought Lance was a potential superstar or were impressed with him, they'd be giving all the first team reps to him (or as many as possible) and letting it be known he could unseat Purdy. Not split reps with a bust journeyman for a backup job.

they can say whatever they want in the media but actions speak louder than words. That's the takeaway I get. Lance hopefully develops really nicely but I think their opinion of him is on full display.

If they were comfortable with Lance being even a short term starter or quality backup going into this offseason, Darnold wouldn't be here.

The last time they were comfortable rolling with Lance they brought in Nate Sudfeld to be the backup. Once camp and preseason happened and they got a real look at year two Lance that calculus changed. This is why we have seen two unprecedented QB2 and QB3 contracts over the last two seasons. They are hedging as much as they can, and trying to protect a Super Bowl team's chances.

It's crazy that every single move that they make in regards to the QB position is entirely about their feelings regarding Trey Lance. They pay Sudfeld 2 million guaranteed? It's because they're worried about Lance. They get rid of Nate Sudfeld and bring back Jimmy on the cheap after unsuccessfully trying to trade him all offseason? Must be because they're worried about Lance. They bring in another viable starting QB after a season when all 3 of their QBs suffered season ending injuries? Only about Trey Lance. Sign another career backup QB? Must be because they're getting ready to trade/cut Lance. Considering how far down the depth chart some of you have placed him, you would think he wouldn't be the impetus for every decision the team makes.

I didn't think the sudfield thing had to do with Lance. Sudfield was expected to be QB2 and $2M is relatively cheap for that. You have to remember that jimmy wasn't supposed to be on the team. I didn't view anytbing last year to do with Lance besides them trying to get jimmy out of the building because of how well liked he was and that jimmy was obviously the better QB at the time.

whether someone likes it or not, a lot of the decisions at QB are a reflection on Trey Lance. Lol the fact Trey has to actually compete with Darnold says a lot. The fact Darnold has the capability to earn as much as Lance, says a lot. Some of it is protecting the team from health but there is also a portion of it that is because of the uncertainty around Lance. Uncertainty of if he will play, if he will stay healthy for the first time, if he will play good/bad, if someone wants to trade for him etc. not all of it is bad, but a lot of it is related to the unknown behind him.

How much does Darnold have the chance to earn relative to Brock Purdy? The decisions they've made this offseason regarding the QB position can be interpreted just as easily to be about their confidence in Brock Purdy, either regarding his recovery or his legitimacy as a long-term starter. It's weird to go out and bring in a backup QB and pay him significantly more than your presumed starter. No other team has done that.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
It's crazy that every single move that they make in regards to the QB position is entirely about their feelings regarding Trey Lance. They pay Sudfeld 2 million guaranteed? It's because they're worried about Lance. They get rid of Nate Sudfeld and bring back Jimmy on the cheap after unsuccessfully trying to trade him all offseason? Must be because they're worried about Lance. They bring in another viable starting QB after a season when all 3 of their QBs suffered season ending injuries? Only about Trey Lance. Sign another career backup QB? Must be because they're getting ready to trade/cut Lance. Considering how far down the depth chart some of you have placed him, you would think he wouldn't be the impetus for every decision the team makes.

You're not understanding my post correctly, or the situation overall… which isn't a new development.

They didnt sign Nate Sudfeld for two million dollars because they were worried about Lance. That was much more in line with a traditional backup contract, when a team is comfortable with their starter… which is where the 49ers were BEFORE camp and preseason last year. That was the last time they were comfortable with their decision to roll with Lance.

They also didn't bring back Jimmy on the cheap. He was expensive, and his contract was further incentivized with additional money and a no trade clause and removal of the team's ability to tag him. This contract was given to Jimmy when he had no other leverage other than to tell the team to release him. No trade market. Every other team's QB situation effectively settled for the season. He was able to get that money and those perks because the team knew there was a great chance they'd need him. That was AFTER seeing Lance in camp and preseason. Again, if you think there was nothing unusual about that contract, try finding another like it in league history. You won't. Pretty much everyone who saw that deal knew exactly what the motivation was, except for this group of delusional 49ers fans who are fully bought into Lance no matter what evidence is against their position.

This offseason, with an injured starter, they didn't just go out and get a solid QB3 for insurance in the unlikely event that Brock and Trey suffer long term injuries. They again gave what would be an unprecedented contract for QB3, incentivized with additional money for real playing time. Again, find a contract like it for a QB3 in NFL history. It doesn't exist. They were clearly signing a guy to compete to be QB2… which again most people outside of the same small group of 49ers/Lance fans clearly understood. If it was just about QB3, he wouldn't be competing with Lance and splitting reps. If it was just about QB3, Darnold doesn't sign here. He's a QB2. We didn't know if we had a good one, and that's really important when your QB1 is dealing with a significant injury and your team is primed to win a SB.

These moves were easily predictable before they happened, and easily readable once they did. That's why if you go back into these threads you'll see a group of posters predict them nearly exactly as they happened and the other group constantly tripping over themselves in explaining otherwise.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
How much does Darnold have the chance to earn relative to Brock Purdy? The decisions they've made this offseason regarding the QB position can be interpreted just as easily to be about their confidence in Brock Purdy, either regarding his recovery or his legitimacy as a long-term starter. It's weird to go out and bring in a backup QB and pay him significantly more than your presumed starter. No other team has done that.

Darnold's contract indicates nothing long term. It indicates they were concerned about Purdy's health, and Lance's ability short term. Simple as that. If they're confident Purdy will be healthy and stay healthy, they don't give out a contract like they did with Darnold. If they're confident in Lance's ability to be a successful player in the short term, they don't give out the contract to Darnold.

When they're confident, they'll invest less resources… just as they did with Sudfeld a year ago.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Darnold's contract indicates nothing long term. It indicates they were concerned about Purdy's health, and Lance's ability short term. Simple as that. If they're confident Purdy will be healthy and stay healthy, they don't give out a contract like they did with Darnold. If they're confident in Lance's ability to be a successful player in the short term, they don't give out the contract to Darnold.

When they're confident, they'll invest less resources… just as they did with Sudfeld a year ago.

Lol that's about as subjective as it gets.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol that's about as subjective as it gets.

I have no doubt that you believe that, lol.

Again, easy to see every step of the way.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think Brock being the "leader in the clubhouse" is a reflection on Brock and what he did. I think Lance having to compete with darnold for QB2 is a relegation on Lance. It's hard for me to believe that they believe in Lance when they're making him split reps with darnold.

if they really thought Lance was a potential superstar or were impressed with him, they'd be giving all the first team reps to him (or as many as possible) and letting it be known he could unseat Purdy. Not split reps with a bust journeyman for a backup job.

they can say whatever they want in the media but actions speak louder than words. That's the takeaway I get. Lance hopefully develops really nicely but I think their opinion of him is on full display.

If they were comfortable with Lance being even a short term starter or quality backup going into this offseason, Darnold wouldn't be here.

The last time they were comfortable rolling with Lance they brought in Nate Sudfeld to be the backup. Once camp and preseason happened and they got a real look at year two Lance that calculus changed. This is why we have seen two unprecedented QB2 and QB3 contracts over the last two seasons. They are hedging as much as they can, and trying to protect a Super Bowl team's chances.

It's crazy that every single move that they make in regards to the QB position is entirely about their feelings regarding Trey Lance. They pay Sudfeld 2 million guaranteed? It's because they're worried about Lance. They get rid of Nate Sudfeld and bring back Jimmy on the cheap after unsuccessfully trying to trade him all offseason? Must be because they're worried about Lance. They bring in another viable starting QB after a season when all 3 of their QBs suffered season ending injuries? Only about Trey Lance. Sign another career backup QB? Must be because they're getting ready to trade/cut Lance. Considering how far down the depth chart some of you have placed him, you would think he wouldn't be the impetus for every decision the team makes.

I didn't think the sudfield thing had to do with Lance. Sudfield was expected to be QB2 and $2M is relatively cheap for that. You have to remember that jimmy wasn't supposed to be on the team. I didn't view anytbing last year to do with Lance besides them trying to get jimmy out of the building because of how well liked he was and that jimmy was obviously the better QB at the time.

whether someone likes it or not, a lot of the decisions at QB are a reflection on Trey Lance. Lol the fact Trey has to actually compete with Darnold says a lot. The fact Darnold has the capability to earn as much as Lance, says a lot. Some of it is protecting the team from health but there is also a portion of it that is because of the uncertainty around Lance. Uncertainty of if he will play, if he will stay healthy for the first time, if he will play good/bad, if someone wants to trade for him etc. not all of it is bad, but a lot of it is related to the unknown behind him.

How much does Darnold have the chance to earn relative to Brock Purdy? The decisions they've made this offseason regarding the QB position can be interpreted just as easily to be about their confidence in Brock Purdy, either regarding his recovery or his legitimacy as a long-term starter. It's weird to go out and bring in a backup QB and pay him significantly more than your presumed starter. No other team has done that.

Well my personal opinion on darnold is that he if we keep Lance, darnold doesn't play at all. If Lance gets moved, I think it's very small. If Lance is here, I expect him to be QB2.

im not saying that every single move is because of Lance or negative towards lance, but a lot are related to him in some way. Brock was injured but it was more of a freak accident, where as Lance hasn't been healthy at all his entire career, literally not a single regular season game yet. So if we had someone that's stayed healthy, we wouldn't of signed someone like darnold - especially with his incentives. So that's a factor when they're signing guys like that - no one can stay healthy. Brocks injury is also a factor. Ultimately, we drafted Lance to solve all our QB issues and that hasn't happened, so a lot of our decisions today are based around his selection being a bust so far.

im not saying Lance is a bust. I'm saying the decision has been a bust so far cause it hasn't worked out after two years in any capacity. Lol we've just made him a millionaire and that's all. Lmao

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
It's crazy that every single move that they make in regards to the QB position is entirely about their feelings regarding Trey Lance. They pay Sudfeld 2 million guaranteed? It's because they're worried about Lance. They get rid of Nate Sudfeld and bring back Jimmy on the cheap after unsuccessfully trying to trade him all offseason? Must be because they're worried about Lance. They bring in another viable starting QB after a season when all 3 of their QBs suffered season ending injuries? Only about Trey Lance. Sign another career backup QB? Must be because they're getting ready to trade/cut Lance. Considering how far down the depth chart some of you have placed him, you would think he wouldn't be the impetus for every decision the team makes.

You're not understanding my post correctly, or the situation overall… which isn't a new development.

They didnt sign Nate Sudfeld for two million dollars because they were worried about Lance. That was much more in line with a traditional backup contract, when a team is comfortable with their starter… which is where the 49ers were BEFORE camp and preseason last year. That was the last time they were comfortable with their decision to roll with Lance.

They also didn't bring back Jimmy on the cheap. He was expensive, and his contract was further incentivized with additional money and a no trade clause and removal of the team's ability to tag him. This contract was given to Jimmy when he had no other leverage other than to tell the team to release him. No trade market. Every other team's QB situation effectively settled for the season. He was able to get that money and those perks because the team knew there was a great chance they'd need him. That was AFTER seeing Lance in camp and preseason. Again, if you think there was nothing unusual about that contract, try finding another like it in league history. You won't. Pretty much everyone who saw that deal knew exactly what the motivation was, except for this group of delusional 49ers fans who are fully bought into Lance no matter what evidence is against their position.

This offseason, with an injured starter, they didn't just go out and get a solid QB3 for insurance in the unlikely event that Brock and Trey suffer long term injuries. They again gave what would be an unprecedented contract for QB3, incentivized with additional money for real playing time. Again, find a contract like it for a QB3 in NFL history. It doesn't exist. They were clearly signing a guy to compete to be QB2… which again most people outside of the same small group of 49ers/Lance fans clearly understood. If it was just about QB3, he wouldn't be competing with Lance and splitting reps. If it was just about QB3, Darnold doesn't sign here. He's a QB2. We didn't know if we had a good one, and that's really important when your QB1 is dealing with a significant injury and your team is primed to win a SB.

These moves were easily predictable before they happened, and easily readable once they did. That's why if you go back into these threads you'll see a group of posters predict them nearly exactly as they happened and the other group constantly tripping over themselves in explaining otherwise.

My comment was about how you and others here have a tendency to start with your conclusion that Trey Lance is awful and then work backwards to ratlionalize how every decision the team makes is a reflection of that.

Jimmy's contract reflected the unusualness of his situation, not Lance's. His contract was about what you would expect for a high end backup with starter experience and the timing of his signing reflects their complete inability to trade him. It's only about Lance if you start with that as your conclusion and work backwards to rationalize it. What else were they supposed to do? Cut him and get nothing for a starting quality QB or keep him as the backup since he's better than what they had? Trey could have looked like the greatest QB to ever play in TC/preseason and it still would make sense to do exactly what they did.

The team signed Darnold for what they did because both him and the team know that it's likely not going to be a QB3 spot even if it starts out that way. Both Lance and Purdy have looked fragile out there and until it's proven otherwise the team should operate under the impression that all 3 QBs will play this year. It's not just about their confidence in Lance.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Again, I don't care about Lawrence or Perry. I'm talking about the niners situation . And that situation is that Purdy has cemented himself as the #1 guy in the eyes of the coaches, FO and players and he will be allowed to play through some rough patches unless he is an absolute disaster and the season is going down the toilet . Those who desperately want Trey to start may not like it, and it may suck fit Trey, but that's the reality of the situation.

Why can't you answer my scenario? I mean it's not crazy dissimilar to this situation and you know it. You would said Perry should be the starter and get to develop/play through bad food, while Lawrence sat the bench.

There's no need to try to toss in things like desperately want to Trey to start. I don't give a f**k who it is. I have my questions with BCB and if he can't maintain it. I have a right to say hey 3 1sts and he gets 100 random passing attempts? That's stupid and any normal fan should agree.

I did answer your scenario. I told you they are going to let Purdy play through rough patches and he's played infinitely better than Lance to this point.. You just need to accept it lol Also said I don't care about the jags. Purdys play made lances development a moot point .
and b******t lol . You do desperately want Lance to be the starter so not sure why you are even trying to deny that .