QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
I'm fascinated by Trey's ceiling so I can't jump immediately on the Brock bandwagon.

I can't jump on any bandwagon after we passed up on the chance to develop Vance McDonald at QB. He was so big, so strong, so fast, his ceiling as a QB was just out of this world. I'm still not over it

Dumb and dumber lol

dude even had a broken finger nail, couldn't even grip the ball, they never gave him a chance...but his ceiling was so high at QB

It's not like he woulda been far behind Trey and his 1 season coming into the league lol. We shoulda set him up with that Mahomes QB coach and just let him develop. I love what Brock did, but he will never be Vance. That's just a fact

Just me but the winning touchdown to John Taylor from Joe wasn't a rocket arm throw. I think Vance would have been a great tight end though.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
I'm fascinated by Trey's ceiling so I can't jump immediately on the Brock bandwagon.

I can't jump on any bandwagon after we passed up on the chance to develop Vance McDonald at QB. He was so big, so strong, so fast, his ceiling as a QB was just out of this world. I'm still not over it

Dumb and dumber lol

dude even had a broken finger nail, couldn't even grip the ball, they never gave him a chance...but his ceiling was so high at QB

It's not like he woulda been far behind Trey and his 1 season coming into the league lol. We shoulda set him up with that Mahomes QB coach and just let him develop. I love what Brock did, but he will never be Vance. That's just a fact

Just me but the winning touchdown to John Taylor from Joe wasn't a rocket arm throw. I think Vance would have been a great tight end though.

fore reals, if we just coulda hooked up Vance with Mahomes QB guru that could have made the difference

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
I'm fascinated by Trey's ceiling so I can't jump immediately on the Brock bandwagon.

I can't jump on any bandwagon after we passed up on the chance to develop Vance McDonald at QB. He was so big, so strong, so fast, his ceiling as a QB was just out of this world. I'm still not over it

Dumb and dumber lol

dude even had a broken finger nail, couldn't even grip the ball, they never gave him a chance...but his ceiling was so high at QB

It's not like he woulda been far behind Trey and his 1 season coming into the league lol. We shoulda set him up with that Mahomes QB coach and just let him develop. I love what Brock did, but he will never be Vance. That's just a fact

Just me but the winning touchdown to John Taylor from Joe wasn't a rocket arm throw. I think Vance would have been a great tight end though.

fore reals, if we just coulda hooked up Vance with Mahomes QB guru that could have made the difference

The inverse to this argument is that physical traits mean nothing, Maybe we should sign a quadruple amputee as our backup QB if he understands coverages and the playbook.

If someone in here is arguing that Trey has the higher ceiling than Purdy based on his physical traits alone? Then I get the jokes.

But I find most people view his physical traits as a part of the equation, not the whole thing, making this joke inaccurate at best and a sign of their own bias against Trey at worst.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
I'm fascinated by Trey's ceiling so I can't jump immediately on the Brock bandwagon.

I can't jump on any bandwagon after we passed up on the chance to develop Vance McDonald at QB. He was so big, so strong, so fast, his ceiling as a QB was just out of this world. I'm still not over it

Dumb and dumber lol

dude even had a broken finger nail, couldn't even grip the ball, they never gave him a chance...but his ceiling was so high at QB

It's not like he woulda been far behind Trey and his 1 season coming into the league lol. We shoulda set him up with that Mahomes QB coach and just let him develop. I love what Brock did, but he will never be Vance. That's just a fact

Just me but the winning touchdown to John Taylor from Joe wasn't a rocket arm throw. I think Vance would have been a great tight end though.

fore reals, if we just coulda hooked up Vance with Mahomes QB guru that could have made the difference

The inverse to this argument is that physical traits mean nothing, Maybe we should sign a quadruple amputee as our backup QB if he understands coverages and the playbook.

If someone in here is arguing that Trey has the higher ceiling than Purdy based on his physical traits alone? Then I get the jokes.

But I find most people view his physical traits as a part of the equation, not the whole thing, making this joke inaccurate at best and a sign of their own bias against Trey at worst.

If you're being extreme, yeah. That's why I always say the physical aspect needs to be "good enough". Typically that 6'2-6'5 range, 210 lbs or so and a good arm.

to me, anything ontop of that is an incremental difference. Like having $5M and getting $50k more, makes a minor difference at that point. Not that it isn't nice, and doesn't add benefit, but doesn't make or break anything. The real dynamic now is, what do you do with that money? Do you put it to good use and turn it into $25M? Or $10M? Or $7M? That depends on how you put that money to good use.

unkess you have uniquely expensive additions like Lamar Jackson's legs or fields. Then the value added is much more. Treys speed and stuff is above average but it isn't unique or special, it doesn't have a major value add, IMO. It's incremental.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
I'm fascinated by Trey's ceiling so I can't jump immediately on the Brock bandwagon.

I can't jump on any bandwagon after we passed up on the chance to develop Vance McDonald at QB. He was so big, so strong, so fast, his ceiling as a QB was just out of this world. I'm still not over it

Dumb and dumber lol

dude even had a broken finger nail, couldn't even grip the ball, they never gave him a chance...but his ceiling was so high at QB

It's not like he woulda been far behind Trey and his 1 season coming into the league lol. We shoulda set him up with that Mahomes QB coach and just let him develop. I love what Brock did, but he will never be Vance. That's just a fact

Just me but the winning touchdown to John Taylor from Joe wasn't a rocket arm throw. I think Vance would have been a great tight end though.

fore reals, if we just coulda hooked up Vance with Mahomes QB guru that could have made the difference

The inverse to this argument is that physical traits mean nothing, Maybe we should sign a quadruple amputee as our backup QB if he understands coverages and the playbook.

If someone in here is arguing that Trey has the higher ceiling than Purdy based on his physical traits alone? Then I get the jokes.

But I find most people view his physical traits as a part of the equation, not the whole thing, making this joke inaccurate at best and a sign of their own bias against Trey at worst.

Why not just have Kyle play QB for us? He understands the offense better than anyone. How hard could it be?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

I'm fascinated by Trey's ceiling so I can't jump immediately on the Brock bandwagon.

I can't jump on any bandwagon after we passed up on the chance to develop Vance McDonald at QB. He was so big, so strong, so fast, his ceiling as a QB was just out of this world. I'm still not over it

Dumb and dumber lol

dude even had a broken finger nail, couldn't even grip the ball, they never gave him a chance...but his ceiling was so high at QB

It's not like he woulda been far behind Trey and his 1 season coming into the league lol. We shoulda set him up with that Mahomes QB coach and just let him develop. I love what Brock did, but he will never be Vance. That's just a fact

Just me but the winning touchdown to John Taylor from Joe wasn't a rocket arm throw. I think Vance would have been a great tight end though.

fore reals, if we just coulda hooked up Vance with Mahomes QB guru that could have made the difference

The inverse to this argument is that physical traits mean nothing, Maybe we should sign a quadruple amputee as our backup QB if he understands coverages and the playbook.

If someone in here is arguing that Trey has the higher ceiling than Purdy based on his physical traits alone? Then I get the jokes.

But I find most people view his physical traits as a part of the equation, not the whole thing, making this joke inaccurate at best and a sign of their own bias against Trey at worst.

When it comes down to it Trey being bigger stronger and faster really is the only reason they think Trey has a higher ceiling. He's played one season against trash, and people somehow think his ceiling is higher than a player that could walk in as a rookie with no reps and break records

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The inverse to this argument is that physical traits mean nothing, Maybe we should sign a quadruple amputee as our backup QB if he understands coverages and the playbook.

If someone in here is arguing that Trey has the higher ceiling than Purdy based on his physical traits alone? Then I get the jokes.

But I find most people view his physical traits as a part of the equation, not the whole thing, making this joke inaccurate at best and a sign of their own bias against Trey at worst.

Physical traits aside, what would give Trey a higher ceiling over Purdy?

MT

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The inverse to this argument is that physical traits mean nothing, Maybe we should sign a quadruple amputee as our backup QB if he understands coverages and the playbook.

If someone in here is arguing that Trey has the higher ceiling than Purdy based on his physical traits alone? Then I get the jokes.

But I find most people view his physical traits as a part of the equation, not the whole thing, making this joke inaccurate at best and a sign of their own bias against Trey at worst.

Physical traits aside, what would give Trey a higher ceiling over Purdy?

Yeah, my issue is I don't understand how they're predicting this high ceiling outside of physical traits? I think it's literally impossible because since 2016 - present, he's thrown the ball 500 times in a game. Has he ever been in a two minute drill? Game winning drive? How does he do after back to back losses? How does he respond when a team needs him to throw the ball 40 times and carry the team? Etc etc. these are situations he hasn't been in ever, and if he has, it's only like once over 7-8 year span.

no one, including Lance, knows how he would do because he's never done it. He was a game manager in high school and in college, which I'm not saying that as a knock but it's the truth with how those programs run.

so how do you predict his ceiling when you've never seen anything?

he has high character, works hard, good teammate, physically talented. That's all we know but we don't know if he has the proper mix or other intangibles.

I think treys a great young man and I hope he does turn into a stud but no one knows what he really is. It's like the biggest mystery in nfl history. Lol it's all a guess and assumption right now with no data to support it. Even his college season was good but nothing special. Only thing I think that was great was his 0 INT but even that shows how they didn't rely on his arm to win or he never took any risky/tough throws because int are just part of the game. They aren't always the QBs fault but just happen by the nature of the game throughout a season.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The inverse to this argument is that physical traits mean nothing, Maybe we should sign a quadruple amputee as our backup QB if he understands coverages and the playbook.

If someone in here is arguing that Trey has the higher ceiling than Purdy based on his physical traits alone? Then I get the jokes.

But I find most people view his physical traits as a part of the equation, not the whole thing, making this joke inaccurate at best and a sign of their own bias against Trey at worst.

Physical traits aside, what would give Trey a higher ceiling over Purdy?

One thing would be that Trey *might* be a QB that protects the football better than Purdy, in the future. Purdy had a lot of WTF moments in college while Trey was known for limiting mistakes at a historic rate.

Now, this hasn't translated over to his play in the NFL yet, it's kind of been the opposite so far, but Kyle loves controlling the clock with his offense, and it's clear imo Kyle has built a team that can win if the offense simply doesn't make mistakes.

Another thing Trey doesn't get credit for his poise IMO. He doesn't look to escape like most young QBs do, and maybe he should, but with what I've been told, Kyle kind of wants a robot at QB and I think Trey could be more like that than Purdy. I've repeatedly said that Trey's issues are directly linked to his mechanics and lack of rhythm in the offense, two things that can improve with playing time.

All this being said, I believe Purdy has the higher upside with his play so far. He's executing on and off schedule at a level that we, or at least I, hoped Trey could reach. Being faster, bigger, stronger, or having more arm strength or speed doesn't mean you have more upside IMO.The mental aspect has to be part of the equation. I still believe Trey has more upside than Jimmy, will he ever sniff a career like Jimmy's is still unknown, but Purdy has proven he can play at a higher level than both Jimmy and Trey at this point, and I think he should be considered the highest upside player ATM.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
I'm fascinated by Trey's ceiling so I can't jump immediately on the Brock bandwagon.

You are allowed to like both of them, it doesn't have to be either or. One is clearly a better player right now, but that doesn't mean you throw the other one in the trash, least of all if you believe he can still get better.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Physical traits aside, what would give Trey a higher ceiling over Purdy?

Hmmmm.....kinda hard to put physical traits aside in a sport like this.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Physical traits aside, what would give Trey a higher ceiling over Purdy?

Hmmmm.....kinda hard to put physical traits aside in a sport like this.

This. Vance would have been a f**king monster back there. He makes Tom and Joe look like little kids

Originally posted by Waterbear:
One thing would be that Trey *might* be a QB that protects the football better than Purdy, in the future. Purdy had a lot of WTF moments in college while Trey was known for limiting mistakes at a historic rate.

Now, this hasn't translated over to his play in the NFL yet, it's kind of been the opposite so far, but Kyle loves controlling the clock with his offense, and it's clear imo Kyle has built a team that can win if the offense simply doesn't make mistakes.

Another thing Trey doesn't get credit for his poise IMO. He doesn't look to escape like most young QBs do, and maybe he should, but with what I've been told, Kyle kind of wants a robot at QB and I think Trey could be more like that than Purdy. I've repeatedly said that Trey's issues are directly linked to his mechanics and lack of rhythm in the offense, two things that can improve with playing time.

All this being said, I believe Purdy has the higher upside with his play so far. He's executing on and off schedule at a level that we, or at least I, hoped Trey could reach. Being faster, bigger, stronger, or having more arm strength or speed doesn't mean you have more upside IMO.The mental aspect has to be part of the equation. I still believe Trey has more upside than Jimmy, will he ever sniff a career like Jimmy's is still unknown, but Purdy has proven he can play at a higher level than both Jimmy and Trey at this point, and I think he should be considered the highest upside player ATM.

The one game we are allowed to judge Trey on. He had 1 int. Another TWT go off of a LB's hand. In fact he has 1 int in every game he started and finished. 2 TDs and 3 ints in the 3 games he started and finished.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
One thing would be that Trey *might* be a QB that protects the football better than Purdy, in the future. Purdy had a lot of WTF moments in college while Trey was known for limiting mistakes at a historic rate.

Now, this hasn't translated over to his play in the NFL yet, it's kind of been the opposite so far, but Kyle loves controlling the clock with his offense, and it's clear imo Kyle has built a team that can win if the offense simply doesn't make mistakes.

Another thing Trey doesn't get credit for his poise IMO. He doesn't look to escape like most young QBs do, and maybe he should, but with what I've been told, Kyle kind of wants a robot at QB and I think Trey could be more like that than Purdy. I've repeatedly said that Trey's issues are directly linked to his mechanics and lack of rhythm in the offense, two things that can improve with playing time.

All this being said, I believe Purdy has the higher upside with his play so far. He's executing on and off schedule at a level that we, or at least I, hoped Trey could reach. Being faster, bigger, stronger, or having more arm strength or speed doesn't mean you have more upside IMO.The mental aspect has to be part of the equation. I still believe Trey has more upside than Jimmy, will he ever sniff a career like Jimmy's is still unknown, but Purdy has proven he can play at a higher level than both Jimmy and Trey at this point, and I think he should be considered the highest upside player ATM.

The one game we are allowed to judge Trey on. He had 1 int. Another TWT go off of a LB's hand. In fact he has 1 int in every game he started and finished. 2 TDs and 3 ints in the 3 games he started and finished.

And both those touchdowns came in the same game. He's managed 0 touchdowns in 2/3 games. Hell he's managed 0 touchdowns as an offense in 10.5/12 quarters of play. Lol offense has been essentially inept when he started.