QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I understand the skepticism about crowning him, he still needs to prove it, and I think Purdy will have some growing pains like everyone does.

with that said, I don't think it's comparable to what Jimmy did. Two very different situations and won in very different ways. At least Purdy played really well in the playoffs (even set some records). Purdy was also playing within Kyles system, Jimmy was here for like a month and was essentially playing backyard ball.

is there a risk here? Of course. I think it's one worth taking though. I believe it's much less risky than forcing Trey in the lineup and hoping he figures the game out sooner than later.

Your first sentence is all that's needed. They shouldn't be crowning him….and I can't tell you how many times I was told we can't develop a young QB on a Super Bowl roster. Now you're telling me it's okay too? They're not allowed to have ups and downs. Remember.

as far as comparing the Jimmy situation, you're right they're not the same. Jimmy's was vastly harder. We had one of the worst rosters in football on both sides. He wasn't throwing the ball to multiple all-pro receivers. It was Goodwin and two rookies…UDFA Bourne and a 6rd trent Taylor. Don't tell me he wasn't throwing in breaking routes, running bootlegs, play action and dumping off screens to s**tty Carlos Hyde. He most certainly was. He extended plays just like Brock did. He threw a ton of balls that were put in harms way that we were lucky they weren't picked off. Same as Brock. From what I remember Jimmy was amazing under pressure in 2017. s**t was far from consistent after that "small sample size"

so yeah sorry if I'm a bit skeptical about Brock being the next star QB in the league for the next decade right now. I'm not saying he can't be. I need more before I toss all my eggs in one basket. Not sure how many more times SF fans need to get burnt before the understand all of it.

There is a huge difference between needing to develop Lance and Purdy. Lance needs to learn how to essentially play QB and operate an offense at this level, something he hasn't shown he's done yet after two years of NFL training and practice, hence he isn't the starter and his few starts show that.

Purdy doesn't need to learn that, he can already do it. Probably has something to do with the fact that he has more starting experience in highschool than Lance does in his entire career. Purdy just needs more experience against nfl defenses to figure them out, not learn how to operate an offense efficiently.

if you can't understand the difference, which I know you can because you're smarter than that, I don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
9ers finally have themselves a franchise QB? Let's hope so.

I'm super pumped for the new season.

LFG.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

Please walk us through the mental gymnastics you're going through to make yourself believe that Trey is going to miraculously turn into a stud in one offseason.

I'll throw a guess out: "Intangibles", amirite?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Everyone jumping the gun so hard. That's how bad we want it. Hope it works out

Hard not to show appreciation for someone who went 8-0, and won two games in the playoffs that also looked the part. How is that "jumping the gun hard?" Especially when there is no one else on the roster worth getting excited about, with the most accomplished from another team?

7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

You only count the eagles game and take away the Dolphins game if you want to diminish him

Brock played eight games and won all of them and played at an extremely high level," Shanahan said

Or I'm going by the official record rather than what just sounds the best.

You're going by what sounds best to you. Thankfully our coach uses common sense

Oh, ok. It's just that typically we refer to a QB's record by their record in starts. I guess we can make a lone exception this one time for Brock to avoid generating negative feelings in this thread. Maybe we should go back through every QB's record and arbitrarily adjust it based on how much blame we think they deserve for each W or L.

If we are observing a handful of games it's easy to look at it logically like Kyle did. Go ahead and use what you want, Kyle will keep using common sense because he has no reason to diminish Brock

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Everyone jumping the gun so hard. That's how bad we want it. Hope it works out

Hard not to show appreciation for someone who went 8-0, and won two games in the playoffs that also looked the part. How is that "jumping the gun hard?" Especially when there is no one else on the roster worth getting excited about, with the most accomplished from another team?

7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

You only count the eagles game and take away the Dolphins game if you want to diminish him

Brock played eight games and won all of them and played at an extremely high level," Shanahan said

Or I'm going by the official record rather than what just sounds the best.

You're going by what sounds best to you. Thankfully our coach uses common sense

Oh, ok. It's just that typically we refer to a QB's record by their record in starts. I guess we can make a lone exception this one time for Brock to avoid generating negative feelings in this thread. Maybe we should go back through every QB's record and arbitrarily adjust it based on how much blame we think they deserve for each W or L.

Haha, no no no there is no context allowed for QB W/Ls we're told that it's purely a QB stat and we can't get into the details of any of that sort of monotonous stuff.

Imagine if Lance played exactly the same vs the Bears but we didn't blow to blown coverage TDs and we won? Think we wouldn't be hearing about how "bad" he played lol?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Your first sentence is all that's needed. They shouldn't be crowning him….and I can't tell you how many times I was told we can't develop a young QB on a Super Bowl roster. Now you're telling me it's okay too? They're not allowed to have ups and downs. Remember.

as far as comparing the Jimmy situation, you're right they're not the same. Jimmy's was vastly harder. We had one of the worst rosters in football on both sides. He wasn't throwing the ball to multiple all-pro receivers. It was Goodwin and two rookies…UDFA Bourne and a 6rd trent Taylor. Don't tell me he wasn't throwing in breaking routes, running bootlegs, play action and dumping off screens to s**tty Carlos Hyde. He most certainly was. He extended plays just like Brock did. He threw a ton of balls that were put in harms way that we were lucky they weren't picked off. Same as Brock. From what I remember Jimmy was amazing under pressure in 2017. s**t was far from consistent after that "small sample size"

so yeah sorry if I'm a bit skeptical about Brock being the next star QB in the league for the next decade right now. I'm not saying he can't be. I need more before I toss all my eggs in one basket. Not sure how many more times SF fans need to get burnt before the understand all of it.

From what I've seen, lance needs a lot of work.... A LOT. I'm not saying he showed nothing or was a disaster but he needs to be built up JUST to do some remedial things.

Compare that to Brock. Thrown into the fire with zero reps and performed like he did. It's pretty incredible, I'm not sure of any other way to put it. Brock may amount to nothing in the future and I would still say what he did last year was incredible and unprecedented

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Everyone jumping the gun so hard. That's how bad we want it. Hope it works out

Hard not to show appreciation for someone who went 8-0, and won two games in the playoffs that also looked the part. How is that "jumping the gun hard?" Especially when there is no one else on the roster worth getting excited about, with the most accomplished from another team?

7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

You only count the eagles game and take away the Dolphins game if you want to diminish him

Brock played eight games and won all of them and played at an extremely high level," Shanahan said

Or I'm going by the official record rather than what just sounds the best.

You're going by what sounds best to you. Thankfully our coach uses common sense

Oh, ok. It's just that typically we refer to a QB's record by their record in starts. I guess we can make a lone exception this one time for Brock to avoid generating negative feelings in this thread. Maybe we should go back through every QB's record and arbitrarily adjust it based on how much blame we think they deserve for each W or L.

Haha, no no no there is no context allowed for QB W/Ls we're told that it's purely a QB stat and we can't get into the details of any of that sort of monotonous stuff.

Imagine if Lance played exactly the same vs the Bears but we didn't blow to blown coverage TDs and we won? Think we wouldn't be hearing about how "bad" he played lol?

It wouldn't change the fact he played like crap?

playing poorly and still winning isn't what is debated here. Treys never had a good overall game. If you go back and objectively watch him, the offense is super clunky and inconsistent. He has some nice throws here and there but crap in the redzone, third down etc.

qbs with superstar potential don't look at "one" play and say "that cost me the game".

The niners d couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag and Purdy missed multiple progression reads because of his poor timing in that game and guess what? Still figured it out and lead the team to a win. With no help from his defense.

No play is perfect. It's about if you can still make it happen or not when things don't go perfect. Which they rarely do.

you constantly look at everyone else and blame them for lances poor performance. Everyone shouldn't have to be perfect every play for Lance to play well.
regardless, the defense played really well most of the game. If the offense would of had any sort of production and not thrown a pic that essentially sealed the loss, it would of been a different story

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Everyone jumping the gun so hard. That's how bad we want it. Hope it works out

Hard not to show appreciation for someone who went 8-0, and won two games in the playoffs that also looked the part. How is that "jumping the gun hard?" Especially when there is no one else on the roster worth getting excited about, with the most accomplished from another team?

7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

You only count the eagles game and take away the Dolphins game if you want to diminish him

Brock played eight games and won all of them and played at an extremely high level," Shanahan said

Or I'm going by the official record rather than what just sounds the best.

You're going by what sounds best to you. Thankfully our coach uses common sense

Oh, ok. It's just that typically we refer to a QB's record by their record in starts. I guess we can make a lone exception this one time for Brock to avoid generating negative feelings in this thread. Maybe we should go back through every QB's record and arbitrarily adjust it based on how much blame we think they deserve for each W or L.

If we are observing a handful of games it's easy to look at it logically like Kyle did. Go ahead and use what you want, Kyle will keep using common sense because he has no reason to diminish Brock

What's there to diminish anyway?? Purdy has overcome all odds against him. A 7th round pick who looked better than a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks. Why some on here aren't happy or aren't sold on Purdy is beyond me. But yah, keep hanging onto hope that Trey Lance will just become this All-Pro player right outta the gate. And while you do that I'll be cheering on Purdy and the 9ers back the playoffs.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Everyone jumping the gun so hard. That's how bad we want it. Hope it works out

Hard not to show appreciation for someone who went 8-0, and won two games in the playoffs that also looked the part. How is that "jumping the gun hard?" Especially when there is no one else on the roster worth getting excited about, with the most accomplished from another team?

7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

You only count the eagles game and take away the Dolphins game if you want to diminish him

Brock played eight games and won all of them and played at an extremely high level," Shanahan said

Or I'm going by the official record rather than what just sounds the best.

You're going by what sounds best to you. Thankfully our coach uses common sense

Oh, ok. It's just that typically we refer to a QB's record by their record in starts. I guess we can make a lone exception this one time for Brock to avoid generating negative feelings in this thread. Maybe we should go back through every QB's record and arbitrarily adjust it based on how much blame we think they deserve for each W or L.

If we are observing a handful of games it's easy to look at it logically like Kyle did. Go ahead and use what you want, Kyle will keep using common sense because he has no reason to diminish Brock

What's there to diminish anyway?? Purdy has overcome all odds against him. A 7th round pick who looked better than a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks. Why some on here aren't happy or aren't sold on Purdy is beyond me. But yah, keep hanging onto hope that Trey Lance will just become this All-Pro player right outta the gate. And while you do that I'll be cheering on Purdy and the 9ers back the playoffs.

The only way to defend Lance getting a chance to start is to try and diminish the guy who is QB1. Lance doesn't have any merits of his own. Not in practice, not in camp, not in the games, not in his college film etc.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Everyone jumping the gun so hard. That's how bad we want it. Hope it works out

Hard not to show appreciation for someone who went 8-0, and won two games in the playoffs that also looked the part. How is that "jumping the gun hard?" Especially when there is no one else on the roster worth getting excited about, with the most accomplished from another team?

7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

You only count the eagles game and take away the Dolphins game if you want to diminish him

Brock played eight games and won all of them and played at an extremely high level," Shanahan said

Or I'm going by the official record rather than what just sounds the best.

You're going by what sounds best to you. Thankfully our coach uses common sense

Oh, ok. It's just that typically we refer to a QB's record by their record in starts. I guess we can make a lone exception this one time for Brock to avoid generating negative feelings in this thread. Maybe we should go back through every QB's record and arbitrarily adjust it based on how much blame we think they deserve for each W or L.

If we are observing a handful of games it's easy to look at it logically like Kyle did. Go ahead and use what you want, Kyle will keep using common sense because he has no reason to diminish Brock

What's there to diminish anyway?? Purdy has overcome all odds against him. A 7th round pick who looked better than a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks. Why some on here aren't happy or aren't sold on Purdy is beyond me. But yah, keep hanging onto hope that Trey Lance will just become this All-Pro player right outta the gate. And while you do that I'll be cheering on Purdy and the 9ers back the playoffs.

Yea its very hard to diminish what he did, which is why they have to grasp at straws and do things like go out of their way to take a game away from him that he entered down 7. Then they get mad when people troll Trey lol

Originally posted by tankle104:
There is a huge difference between needing to develop Lance and Purdy. Lance needs to learn how to essentially play QB and operate an offense at this level, something he hasn't shown he's done yet after two years of NFL training and practice, hence he isn't the starter and his few starts show that.

Purdy doesn't need to learn that, he can already do it. Probably has something to do with the fact that he has more starting experience in highschool than Lance does in his entire career. Purdy just needs more experience against nfl defenses to figure them out, not learn how to operate an offense efficiently.

if you can't understand the difference, which I know you can because you're smarter than that, I don't know what to tell you.

I disagree overall. We have 30 passing attempts to "learn" what he can or can't do after a full season of sitting and a offseason. Even Kyle said he expected Lance to do what Brock did if he was able to play.

throwing check downs to CMC and Deebo isn't nuanced s**t brah. Running play action and bootlegs is not something that is unattainable to learn. Throwing to wide open guys like BA/Kittle is not high level s**t.

End of the day we have no idea who either QB is long term. Brock's story is great…people gravitate towards the little engine that could storylines. If he plays poorly who cares? He's Mr. irrelevant. If Lance isn't Mahomes day 1 it's a meltdown.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Everyone jumping the gun so hard. That's how bad we want it. Hope it works out

Hard not to show appreciation for someone who went 8-0, and won two games in the playoffs that also looked the part. How is that "jumping the gun hard?" Especially when there is no one else on the roster worth getting excited about, with the most accomplished from another team?

7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

You only count the eagles game and take away the Dolphins game if you want to diminish him

Brock played eight games and won all of them and played at an extremely high level," Shanahan said

Or I'm going by the official record rather than what just sounds the best.

You're going by what sounds best to you. Thankfully our coach uses common sense

Oh, ok. It's just that typically we refer to a QB's record by their record in starts. I guess we can make a lone exception this one time for Brock to avoid generating negative feelings in this thread. Maybe we should go back through every QB's record and arbitrarily adjust it based on how much blame we think they deserve for each W or L.

If we are observing a handful of games it's easy to look at it logically like Kyle did. Go ahead and use what you want, Kyle will keep using common sense because he has no reason to diminish Brock

What's there to diminish anyway?? Purdy has overcome all odds against him. A 7th round pick who looked better than a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks. Why some on here aren't happy or aren't sold on Purdy is beyond me. But yah, keep hanging onto hope that Trey Lance will just become this All-Pro player right outta the gate. And while you do that I'll be cheering on Purdy and the 9ers back the playoffs.

Who was diminishing him? Saying that we should pump the breaks due to the small sample size is not diminishing him. Pointing out that he is 7-1 in starts is not diminishing him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
There is a huge difference between needing to develop Lance and Purdy. Lance needs to learn how to essentially play QB and operate an offense at this level, something he hasn't shown he's done yet after two years of NFL training and practice, hence he isn't the starter and his few starts show that.

Purdy doesn't need to learn that, he can already do it. Probably has something to do with the fact that he has more starting experience in highschool than Lance does in his entire career. Purdy just needs more experience against nfl defenses to figure them out, not learn how to operate an offense efficiently.

if you can't understand the difference, which I know you can because you're smarter than that, I don't know what to tell you.

I disagree overall. We have 30 passing attempts to "learn" what he can or can't do after a full season of sitting and a offseason. Even Kyle said he expected Lance to do what Brock did if he was able to play.

throwing check downs to CMC and Deebo isn't nuanced s**t brah. Running play action and bootlegs is not something that is unattainable to learn. Throwing to wide open guys like BA/Kittle is not high level s**t.

End of the day we have no idea who either QB is long term. Brock's story is great…people gravitate towards the little engine that could storylines. If he plays poorly who cares? He's Mr. irrelevant. If Lance isn't Mahomes day 1 it's a meltdown.

What we do know is that one can play at a high level, at worst. we know that one needs a ton of experience just to figure out the small nuances of playing qb at this level.

All we know is that the people who spend time with him everyday for two years.. took the keys away from him and brought in a bust to compete with him. That's enough for me to tell me that they have lost confidence in him.

i think Lance can be a solid qb in this league but not a superstar. I don't want a game manger, which is what Lance has always throughout his career. 11 passing tds combined in highschool varsity football? A game manager in college for a program that wins nearly every year regardless of the qb?

Lance needs a ton of in game experience to get even remotely good at the basics. Which is a huge mess up on the teams part for drafting him for a team where we needed someone who can at least do that stuff from 3 overall. If he stays, I'll root for him. I just don't want
him on the field at all unless Purdy isn't available.

Purdy has show much more than Lance, which is a flaw in the drafting system. I'd rather find out if Purdy can continue playing at a very high level instead of trying to find out if Lance can play at an average level at least.

the defense even had to tell Trey to take more chances in practice, aka he plays it safe like a game manager.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Everyone jumping the gun so hard. That's how bad we want it. Hope it works out

Hard not to show appreciation for someone who went 8-0, and won two games in the playoffs that also looked the part. How is that "jumping the gun hard?" Especially when there is no one else on the roster worth getting excited about, with the most accomplished from another team?

7-1*

I hope you all are right about him, but we all saw the fanatical cult-like following that Jimmy got here after just 5 games and how that ultimately played out. It makes sense to pump the brakes a little, though I'm sure many of you have found ways to internally rationalize how it's different this time.

You only count the eagles game and take away the Dolphins game if you want to diminish him

Brock played eight games and won all of them and played at an extremely high level," Shanahan said

Or I'm going by the official record rather than what just sounds the best.

You're going by what sounds best to you. Thankfully our coach uses common sense

Oh, ok. It's just that typically we refer to a QB's record by their record in starts. I guess we can make a lone exception this one time for Brock to avoid generating negative feelings in this thread. Maybe we should go back through every QB's record and arbitrarily adjust it based on how much blame we think they deserve for each W or L.

If we are observing a handful of games it's easy to look at it logically like Kyle did. Go ahead and use what you want, Kyle will keep using common sense because he has no reason to diminish Brock

What's there to diminish anyway?? Purdy has overcome all odds against him. A 7th round pick who looked better than a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks. Why some on here aren't happy or aren't sold on Purdy is beyond me. But yah, keep hanging onto hope that Trey Lance will just become this All-Pro player right outta the gate. And while you do that I'll be cheering on Purdy and the 9ers back the playoffs.

Who was diminishing him? Saying that we should pump the breaks due to the small sample size is not diminishing him. Pointing out that he is 7-1 in starts is not diminishing him.

Please, it's out there, the "we're not sold on him because of talent around him", "The reason he won was because of the talent around him" crowd is out there and don't act all innocent either. lol smh

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Who was diminishing him? Saying that we should pump the breaks due to the small sample size is not diminishing him. Pointing out that he is 7-1 in starts is not diminishing him.

When somebody counts a game that he clearly earned the win for us, and you go out of your way to strip him of that win over technicalities, yes you are trying to diminish him