Originally posted by AB81Rules:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.
Originally posted by Predator85:
Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
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Jun 3, 2021 at 10:36 AM
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Jun 3, 2021 at 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.
Originally posted by Predator85:
Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
Jun 3, 2021 at 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.Originally posted by AB81Rules:Originally posted by Predator85:Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
ST duties are going to be a big factor here, too. Pruitt had a lot of snaps in 2019 on ST, but was a small chunk for the rest of his seasons.
with our ongoing health concerns at WR, I'm more inclined keeping Jennings along with an OL #9 (e.g. Skule) that can provide upside as a blocker and ST duties.
Jun 3, 2021 at 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.
Originally posted by Predator85:
Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
ST duties are going to be a big factor here, too. Pruitt had a lot of snaps in 2019 on ST, but was a small chunk for the rest of his seasons.
with our ongoing health concerns at WR, I'm more inclined keeping Jennings along with an OL #9 (e.g. Skule) that can provide upside as a blocker and ST duties.
For sure, all these depth players will boost their value if they can play ST. Woerner had 200+ ST snaps last season. I'm guessing he was on the punt coverage and field goal team(?). Pretty typical for the TE2/TE3 to have these ST roles.
Jun 4, 2021 at 9:07 AM
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by thl408:
For sure, all these depth players will boost their value if they can play ST. Woerner had 200+ ST snaps last season. I'm guessing he was on the punt coverage and field goal team(?). Pretty typical for the TE2/TE3 to have these ST roles.
thl do you think this serious comp for Dwelley? Interesting no one has challenged him yet.
I don't know much about MyCole (is that pronounced Michael?). Dwelley is a solid player but I don't see him as someone that is entrenched at TE2. Woerner, as a rookie with no OTAs was not going to unseat Dwelley in 2020. If Woerner improves he could be competing with Dwelley for snaps.
MyCole is a good rated good run blocker so that gives him a legit chance at TE3 at the very least (similar to Levine Toilolo). It could be a dogfight between those three for the two backup TE positions.
Jun 4, 2021 at 9:12 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.
Originally posted by Predator85:
Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
Dwelley is locked into TE2 for now, only save under $200K, he has his entire base salary GTD, I think they keep 4, I was told by someone with knowledge of the 49ers and how they feel, they really like Woerner & also McKivitz, and think both will stand out this season.
Jun 4, 2021 at 9:13 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by thl408:
For sure, all these depth players will boost their value if they can play ST. Woerner had 200+ ST snaps last season. I'm guessing he was on the punt coverage and field goal team(?). Pretty typical for the TE2/TE3 to have these ST roles.
thl do you think this serious comp for Dwelley? Interesting no one has challenged him yet.
I don't know much about MyCole (is that pronounced Michael?). Dwelley is a solid player but I don't see him as someone that is entrenched at TE2. Woerner, as a rookie with no OTAs was not going to unseat Dwelley in 2020. If Woerner improves he could be competing with Dwelley for snaps.
MyCole is a good rated good run blocker so that gives him a legit chance at TE3 at the very least (similar to Levine Toilolo). It could be a dogfight between those three for the two backup TE positions.
idk if it's like Michael, like saying My Cole fast, idk.
Jun 4, 2021 at 9:55 AM
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Pruitt is good backup depth for the position. He was mentored by Delanie Walker and has good experience so plus, plus. He could easily make roster behind Kittle and Dwelley.
Jun 4, 2021 at 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by ninerjok:
Pruitt is good backup depth for the position. He was mentored by Delanie Walker and has good experience so plus, plus. He could easily make roster behind Kittle and Dwelley.
I agree, which is why I have him on my 53, I'm worried about exposing Woerner to waivers.
Here's the article I posted on my site.
https://49erscap.com/index.php/2021/06/04/49ers-2021-projected-53-man-roster-with-practice-squad-injured-lists-and-cap-implications-5-0/
OFFENSE:
QB(3): 10 Jimmy Garoppolo(2022)/ 5 Trey Lance(2024)/ 7 Nate Sudfeld(2021)
RB(4): 31 Raheem Mostert(2021)/ 28 Trey Sermon(2024)/ 22 Wayne Gallman Jr.(2021)/ 49 Elijah Mitchell(2024)
FB(1): 44 Kyle Juszczyk(2025)
WR(6): 11 Brandon Aiyuk(2023)/ 19 Deebo Samuel(2022)/ 81 Trent Sherfield(2021)/ 13 Richie James Jr.(2021)/ 14 Jalen Hurd(2022)/ 15 Jauan Jennings(2021)
TE(4): 85 George Kittle(2025)/ 82 Ross Dwelley(2021)/ 89 Charlie Woerner(2023)/ 88 MyCole Pruitt(2021)
C(2): 50 Alex Mack(2023)/ 60 Daniel Brunskill(2021)
OG(3): 75 Laken Tomlinson(2021)/ 65 Aaron Banks(2024)/ 68 Colton McKivitz(2023)
OT(4): 71 Trent Williams(2026)/ 69 Mike McGlinchey(2022)/ 76 Jaylon Moore(2024)/ 78 Shon Coleman(2021)
DEFENSE:
DE(4): 97 Nick Bosa(2022)/ 91 Arik Armstead(2024)/ 56 Samson Ebukam(2022)/ 98 Arden Key(2021)
DT(2): 99 Javon Kinlaw(2023)/ 96 Maurice Hurst Jr.(2021)/ 90 Kevin Givens(2021)
NT(2): 93 D.J. Jones(2021)/ 92 Zach Kerr(2021)
LB(4): 54 Fred Warner(2021)/ 57 Dre Greenlaw(2022)/ 51 Azeez Al-Shaair(2021)/ 47 Nathan Gerry(2021) or 48 James Burgess Jr.(2021)
CB(5): 2 Jason Verrett(2021)/ 4 Emmanuel Moseley(2022)/ 24 K'Waun Williams(2021)/ 41 Ambry Thomas(2024)/ 38 Deommodore Lenoir(2024)
FS(2): 1 Jimmie Ward(2022)/ 33 Tarvarius Moore(2021)
SS(3): 26 Jaquiski Tartt(2021)/ 36 Marcell Harris(2021)/ 29 Talanoa Hufanga(2024)
SPECIAL TEAMS:
PK(1): 9 Robbie Gould(2022)
P(1): 6 Mitch Wishnowsky(2022)
LS(1): 46 Taybor Pepper(2022)
INJURED LISTS:
PUP: RB 30 Jeff Wilson Jr.(2021)
PUP or Short Term IR: DE 55 Dee Ford(2022)
PRACTICE SQUAD:
RB 23 JaMycal Hasty
FB 40 Josh Hokit
WR 7 Austin Watkins Jr.
WR 18 Mohamed Sanu Sr.*
TE 83 Josh Pederson
C 64 Jake Brendel*
RG 61 Dakoda Shepley
LT 77 Alfredo Gutierrez**
RT 67 Justin Skule
DE 64 Alex Barrett
NT 65 Darrion Daniels
WLB 47 Nathan Gerry* or 48 James Burgess Jr.*
MLB 59 Elijah Sullivan
SLB 58 Justin Hilliard
CB 27 Dontae Johnson*
FS 7 Jared Mayden
FS 32 Tavon Wilson*
* Denotes player with more than 2 accrued years
** Denotes the player is exempt from the limit due to the international pathway program.
Jun 4, 2021 at 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.
Originally posted by Predator85:
Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
Dwelley is locked into TE2 for now, only save under $200K, he has his entire base salary GTD, I think they keep 4, I was told by someone with knowledge of the 49ers and how they feel, they really like Woerner & also McKivitz, and think both will stand out this season.
"Locked in for now" is saying that there's a chance he can be unseated as TE2. Dwelley, Woerner, Pruitt are insignificant when it comes to cap hit so I doubt their salary plays much of a role whether they are kept or cut. Dwelley has filled in at FB when Juice was injured, although I don't remember him looking good there, but at least there's a bit of positional flexibility. If the team keeps four TEs, then I think the four will make the roster. Then again, I don't know who Josh Pederson is (5th TE on current 90 man roster).
Jun 4, 2021 at 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.
Originally posted by Predator85:
Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
Dwelley is locked into TE2 for now, only save under $200K, he has his entire base salary GTD, I think they keep 4, I was told by someone with knowledge of the 49ers and how they feel, they really like Woerner & also McKivitz, and think both will stand out this season.
"Locked in for now" is saying that there's a chance he can be unseated as TE2. Dwelley, Woerner, Pruitt are insignificant when it comes to cap hit so I doubt their salary plays much of a role whether they are kept or cut. Dwelley has filled in at FB when Juice was injured, although I don't remember him looking good there, but at least there's a bit of positional flexibility. If the team keeps four TEs, then I think the four will make the roster. Then again, I don't know who Josh Pederson is (5th TE on current 90 man roster).
The 49ers aren't gonna just release Dwelley, they'd trade him so they don't eat $920K, with the cap dropping you can't afford to eat cap room.
Pederson is Doug Pederson's son(Former Eagles HC, I think Doug is his first name, the guy who decided to pull Jalen Hurts on SNF week 17).
Jun 4, 2021 at 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.
Originally posted by Predator85:
Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
Dwelley is locked into TE2 for now, only save under $200K, he has his entire base salary GTD, I think they keep 4, I was told by someone with knowledge of the 49ers and how they feel, they really like Woerner & also McKivitz, and think both will stand out this season.
"Locked in for now" is saying that there's a chance he can be unseated as TE2. Dwelley, Woerner, Pruitt are insignificant when it comes to cap hit so I doubt their salary plays much of a role whether they are kept or cut. Dwelley has filled in at FB when Juice was injured, although I don't remember him looking good there, but at least there's a bit of positional flexibility. If the team keeps four TEs, then I think the four will make the roster. Then again, I don't know who Josh Pederson is (5th TE on current 90 man roster).
Dwelley really grew on me. I think he's a pretty damn good redzone and overall receiving target. I don't think any other TE on the roster currently besides maybe Pruitt will win the #2 spot.
Jun 4, 2021 at 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:I'm not so sure Woerner makes the 53 man roster unless he shows vast improvement from last year. I'm guessing he ends up on the practice squad. Dwelley has shown he can be a decent TE and can sub in for Juice if need be at FB. Pruitt is a proven run blocker and had some good pass blocking grades a few years back. Not to mention he might be utilized more as a receiver in this offense.
Originally posted by Predator85:
Our offense needs a blocking #3 TE, like Paulsen and Toilolo. This guy fits the bill.
I think we keep 4 TEs now, Kittle, Dwelley, Woerner, and Pruitt.
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
Dwelley is locked into TE2 for now, only save under $200K, he has his entire base salary GTD, I think they keep 4, I was told by someone with knowledge of the 49ers and how they feel, they really like Woerner & also McKivitz, and think both will stand out this season.
"Locked in for now" is saying that there's a chance he can be unseated as TE2. Dwelley, Woerner, Pruitt are insignificant when it comes to cap hit so I doubt their salary plays much of a role whether they are kept or cut. Dwelley has filled in at FB when Juice was injured, although I don't remember him looking good there, but at least there's a bit of positional flexibility. If the team keeps four TEs, then I think the four will make the roster. Then again, I don't know who Josh Pederson is (5th TE on current 90 man roster).
The 49ers aren't gonna just release Dwelley, they'd trade him so they don't eat $920K, with the cap dropping you can't afford to eat cap room.
Pederson is Doug Pederson's son(Former Eagles HC, I think Doug is his first name, the guy who decided to pull Jalen Hurts on SNF week 17).
I didn't say anything about cutting Dwelley. If he loses out to Woerner or Pruitt then he becomes TE3 or TE4.
Jun 4, 2021 at 6:02 PM
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The TE2 spot has to be a competition between Pruitt and Dwelley, bring the best out of both to earn the spot in the roster and depth chart.
Jun 4, 2021 at 6:32 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Yeah I think Pruitt is a threat to Woerner for TE3, assuming Dwelley is TE2. In Woerner's defense, he was part of the rookie class that got no OTAs and no preseason, and imo it showed last season. Woener was supposedly a good run blocker coming out of college so if he can show that off, I think the team may keep Woerner over Pruitt. Should be a good battle for TE2/TE3.
Exactly.
